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Rand Paul speaks to thousands during anti-abortion rally 1/25/2013

Rand Paul speaks to thousands of attendees at an anti-abortion rally on the Washington Mall in Washington DC.

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Excellent

short but sweet. Liberty means nothing if we can't protect Life.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

Should slavery be a States rights issue?

No, and neither should abortion. It's a liberty, justice, and equality thing, and justice should be served on those who take human life.

That argument cuts both ways

If a State is violating someone's rights, then it's easy to see the value in a system where the federal government can overrule a State government. But what if it's the federal government which is violating someone's rights (as is the case most of the time)? Then it's easy to see why the States should be able to nullify federal law. But we have to choose one: either a decentralized system which allows for State tyranny or a centralized system which allows for federal tyranny. And the libertarian or classical liberal position is to prefer the former: since at least one can more easily escape State tyranny than federal tyranny. Not only can one actually leave a State to escape its tyranny, but the knowledge on the part of State governments that this is a possibility checks the tyrannical ambitions of State governments. Hence, I'm of the opinion that power should be decentralized as much as possible. The federal government should do nothing whatsoever except what the States absolutely cannot do: i.e. resolve disputes between the States, and provide collective defense against foreign threats.

So I say leave abortion to the States. Ron Paul agrees.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

it's just another layer of protection

"But we have to choose one: either a decentralized system which allows for State tyranny or a centralized system which allows for federal tyranny."

Do we? I say we don't and it's just another layer of protection. It all boils down to consent and whether justice is being served. The people will back the states when the Federal Government becomes a tyranny, and the people will back the federal government when a State becomes a tyranny. It's just another fail safe and road block, and it's better than having one centralized government. It's a way of setting government against itself, because ultimately government will need to justify itself by serving justice.

I'm all for nullification.

"So I say leave abortion to the States. Ron Paul agrees."

Let's look at this another way.

"So I say leave slavery to the states. Ron Paul agrees."

He always qualifies that opinion by saying that people don't want slavery and won't allow it. He says that it's not going to happen, but what if they DO?

What if they WANT abortion? What if they WANT worse? What if a State begins perpetrating a eugenics based scam on the people it views as worthless feeders destroying their community? What if a State starts systematically annihilating its margins?

I want BOTH a State and Federal Government, and you do too, and I'll use BOTH after winning the debate and show up with some good and decent people to put things right.

The founding generation

The founding generation thought it should have been. That is how radical of a doctrine of Federalism they wanted.

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If abortion is murder, then

If abortion is murder, then we must treat it like murder. Murder is handled by the states, and the justice system is done by the states. Don't federalize a state issue.

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"If abortion is murder, then

"If abortion is murder, then we must treat it like murder. Murder is handled by the states, and the justice system is done by the states."

Let's look at that another way, and remember, the states want to create a system where murder victims are denied justice, where collective force no longer defends liberty, but defends a system of injustice, one that takes liberty.

"Slavery is handled by the states, and the justice system is done by the states."

This is about a state attempting to deny victims justice which is the only purpose of government, to defend liberty. There really isn't any difference between the slavery issue and the abortion issue. Abortion is worse than slavery in my book, and any state that tries to make murder legal needs to be put in check, just as the Federal Government needs to be put in check by the states when they legalize murder which is why I oppose the NDAA.

Should we allow the individual States to deny slaves justice just as we allow them to deny the unborn justice? Why not?

Exactly, any state that wants

Exactly, any state that wants to legalize murder needs to be put in check. Luckily, that won't happen.

So, can you please tell me how the federal government will enforce what you want? State governments are corrupt, but we all know that the federal government is worse.

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i wish someone would make a man on the street video

they could randomly ask people there how many of them have adopted or give money to programs that take care of mothers who choose to not abort even after being raped. i suspect most don't or give minimally and are hypocrites who spend most of their money on baubles.

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Hundreds of thousands of conservative women help foster and take care of unwed mothers with no families and help them through their child birth and through their child bearing years and they do it for free and out of the goodness of their hearts and are doing this in all 50 states.
The husbands of these women allow this and help financially as much as they can.
so I dont know where your post came from and is simply drivel.
The 50k member churches in the deep south, many of them make pregnant women not wanting to abort- THEIR MAIN MISSION to help and take care of.

and so you know.
Ron Paul would never accept medicare or medicade from poor unwed mothers on gvt assistance. He told them this was "other peoples money, stolen from them by gvt" and would not accept it. so what did he do?
He would service them for 9 months and deliver them FOR FREE and even include follow up visits- and did this often.
It was a running joke in our district, at one point- that "ron had delivered half his votes by hand".
Rand Paul does the same exact thing in his district in his eye care office.
so I dont think you know the goodness of people in this country and what folks do for unwed pregnant mothers and should probably keep your trap shut until YOU KNOW what youre talking about.

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Rand Paul

Is right. I just hope that he will continue to stand up against warmongering as well.

It's funny to me that some of

It's funny to me that some of those who think Rand is not pure enough on foreign policy and has betrayed US, would have him keep quiet on abortion to keep from alienating pro choicers.

His stance on abortion

His stance on abortion doesn't affect me at all. I voted for Johnson, I would vote for Paul. Many of my friends are pro-choice and would support Paul. He doesn't need to downplay it.

Now gay marriage and drug prohibition is another story entirely. We'll see how he addresses those issues in the future.

liberty lover in Nor Cal!

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what a great point you just made.

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His stance on this issue is

His stance on this issue is certainly a lot better than his inconsistent stance on foreign policy issues.

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no one here can honestly say Iran is or is not a threat.
I am not for bombing iran, or even sanctions, but rand sits on a powerful foreign policy committee and certainly knows more about iran than we do. I will give rand the benefit of the doubt.

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I didn't say anything about

I didn't say anything about Iran. I was talking about his foreign policy views in general. It doesn't seem to me like his foreign policy views are consistent at all.

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i see.

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This is why I and many others

Would vote for Rand or Ron but not Gary Johnson.

The right to exist is the ultimate right

So you wouldn't have fought

So you wouldn't have fought with the pro-corporatist Federalists like Hamilton against the British in 1776?

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You are exactly right.
and anyone who says we "are all in this together" seeks to MISLEAD and manipulate.

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come on

we are all in this together!

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Rand and Ron are right:

Roe v. Wade should not have been a federal issue, it should have been left to the states,(see the 10th Amendment!) or a Constitutional amendment should have been passed. Legislation from the bench is a big problem, and is now affecting both states and businesses who don't think Obamacare is constitutional. If the Supremes regarded the Bill of Rights as a valid part of the Constitution, and saw those rights as being broad, not narrow, we would not have the liberty-stealing laws on the books that we do.

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ron is right

rand not so much. unfortunately it appears rand does support states rights on this issue.

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well, abortion should not be

well, abortion should not be left to the states if you mean they should have the option to legalize or not. granted, if it were left to states, I'm sure we'd have less of it, which would be a gradual victory, but not the ideal. The Paul view (Ron and Rand) is that the federal government should make a scientific declaration that fertilized eggs are human persons to be protected from murder. of course, like all cases of murder, it would be enforced/regulated by authorities in local jurisdictions.

Rand

Is becoming a greater speaker every time I see him.

Yes he is.

There is only one thing left. He needs to speak to us. Hopefully he will join his father on some of the campuses.

Bump

One of the areas where he is like his father. Bump

Thank you

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Well, Rand will do what Rand will do.

I am done even paying attention to what he says, though. He is clearly pandering to the evangelical, "Christian Zionist" vote and I just don't support that.
I understand he is playing politics, but he keeps "standing up" on issues that are classic divide and conquer tactics instead of focusing on the issues that COULD bring people from the left to support him. He thinks he is garnering more support, I suspect he is losing more than he is gaining, but hey. That is just me.
When will Rand be speaking out against the gun grab? Did I miss that one? How about standing up against the invasion of Mali? Perhaps even a word about the bogus rules change in the GOP? Crickets?

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...