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Rand Paul is blowing up right now.

Hannity, Levin, Monica Crowley, Limbaugh, Kudlow, dozens of others have been praising him in the last month. All the establishment "conservatives"

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Rand Paul 2016 !

the lefties in here are frothing at the mouth right now....;)

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

You're absolutely rightee!

You're absolutely rightee!

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. - Matthew 10:16

Lefties? How about the people

Lefties? How about the people who take the man at his word: PAUL: "Well absolutely, we stand with Israel, but what I think we should do is announce to the world, and i think it is well-known, that any attack on Israel will be treated as an attack on the United States."

I don't understand how Randites escape this. Clearly, any American who claims that Israel deserves parity with the United States is not a patriot, or a statesman; they are a traitor.

it is called

Having an ally

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This was posted and discussed on DP yesterday.

Maybe you missed it...

... Rand Paul, a congressman of the United States, a senator no less, declared that the security of Israel, a foreign state, should be treated as indistinguishable from the security of the United States.

No, we don't need to concern ourselves with what he may be secretly thinking, or anything of the sort; let us take him at his word.

See?

I told you.....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

See... what?

Is there something left wing about saying that we shouldn't treat the safety of Israel as indistinguishable from the safety of the United States?

maybe the warrior meant libertarians (or is confused)

but rather than frothing, it's more like that hive's song: "hate to say i told ya so"

Yeah

I like his liberty sided domestic policy but his policy of appeasing the neo-cons on foreign policy should cbe a concern to EVERY Ron Paul supporter.

I listen to him very closely

I listen to him very closely and he really has a way of answering questions. To me it sounds like he stands with Israel to defend themselves. He said at one point during an interview that Israel need not call him should bombs rain in on the Gaza. And when he said Absolutely we stand with Israel...we would go to war with Israel. He has also stated many times that he is against preemptive war and war is to be declared through congress.

Could stating that he stands with Israel mean that he supports Israel to defend themselves?

The political system is a

The political system is a system of liars. Telling the truth got us a snub at the Republican convention after 30 years of telling the truth. I'd be HAPPY if Rand blew smoke up Israel's ass along with every other "conservative" just to get elected.

I don't know what I wrote

I don't know what I wrote there when you responded but after reading it again it did not convey what I was trying to say.

What I was trying to say is that he never stated we would go to war for Israel but he did state many time that he would support Israel to defend themselves.

I think he is consistent and has not lied. People here are fast to jump to conclusions.

Impossible.

You can't do a good deed by first doing evil.

What's more: "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." - Nietzsche

I'm sorry, FreedomWins, but it appears that Rand has been conquered by neo-conservatism.

Any man, who for any reason, adds his voice to the foul choir that sings "An attack on Israel is an attack on the United States", is no one to follow, or be proud of.

He never did say we would go

He never did say we would go to war with Israel. But I have heard him say several times that he would support Israel to defend themselves. He said they need not call him to defend themselves should bombs rain on the Gaza. He also has stated several times that he is against preemptive war and war needs to be approved through congress.

Let's take a closer look

PAUL: "Well absolutely, we stand with Israel, but what I think we should do is announce to the world, and i think it is well-known, that any attack on Israel will be treated as an attack on the United States."

"Any attack on Israel will be treated as an attack on the United States", is different from "Israel has the right to defend herself".

We would respond to any attack on the United States with military force; Rand is implying that we should do the same for Israel. Not only that, but he gives any attack on Israel the same gravity, functionally, as an attack on the United States. It is clear cut.

Do you know for fact...as in

Do you know for fact...as in did he say that we would go to war? Cause he did in fact say that Israel need not call him to defend themselves should bombs rain in on them. I think you could be speculating.

He said it himself; there is no speculation

He said that the Israelis should take no delay in defending themselves, but also "that any attack on Israel will be treated as an attack on the United States." These two comments are not mutually exclusive, and he said both of them.

Well, we shall agree to

Well, we shall agree to disagree then. Peace brother.

Great!

Hannity, Levin, Monica Crowley, Limbaugh, Kudlow, dozens of others have been praising Rand.

Ooh. I'm all a-quiver in the pursuit of power.

Hannity:
On The Philosophy of the natural rights - as spelled out in the Constitution - and who they belong to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st4iFfrRbuM

Levin:
Mark Levin On "Crackpot" Ron Paul.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi19kEYcZqY

Limbaugh:
Ron Paul on the importance of Rush Limbaugh and his Philosophical opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HEmgs8BX04

Did Reince Priebus, John Boehner and the Romney crowd say "The Aye's have it" and accept Rand too?

Maybe now we can get some crumbs from the big boys, big Government table.

All we have to do is bend on our principles and we can pander toward their acceptance.

Cool!

Well, I'm for bending over!

Who's with me?

I know, right?

It's just awful how these influential media personalities are supportive of Rand. If only they were attacking and marginalizing him, that's what we want!/sarc

I name your attitude "self-fulfilling paranoid failure complex."

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

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Thanks for the links. Wish the post had this.

It would save all of us some time.

Take Rand Paul at his word.

PAUL: "Well absolutely, we stand with Israel, but what I think we should do is announce to the world, and i think it is well-known, that any attack on Israel will be treated as an attack on the United States."

Stop lying to yourselves, Randites. Take your man at his word, and you'll realize he was never your man to begin with, he was Israels; neo-con through and through.

I get the feeling that Rand is

going to turn out to be a brilliant subversive. Just like Obama...but the difference is, the Constitution will subvert the "New world order." Ok, I guess its not a conspiracy anymore, is it?

I disagree.

A man who declares that he will defend Israel as if it were the United States, isn't going to be subverting the New World Order any time soon.

Then by default, an attack on Syria is an attack on Iran

I think what he is doing is working. It's just a little confusing at first. We need some diplomacy. Do we really want to be a country that goes around starting shit with other countries to fulfill our greed and impose our will on them? This is not a football game, this is war! People will die, and body bags will come back. Think carefully about it. A peace treaty that said something really basic like, "we are not going to attack each other with the our military forces" would be helpful.

Sorry :(

Sorry, I really want to understand what you are saying so I can respond properly, but to me your post is incoherent. What are you getting at?

The United States has become an aggresor nation

We (our government) are going around acting like a bully. I am an American and I love this nation, but my loyalty lays with the Constitution, not politicians that pretend that sending kids to fight and die for a dubious, self-serving cause is patriotic.

IF you believe that what I just said is still 'incoherent.' then I suggest you take a vocabulary class.

I understand you this time. I

I understand you this time. I wasn't being facetious; I really couldn't figure the point of what you were saying. No offense intended.

I want to make it clear that our government isn't "we", it is "they". THEY are going around acting like a bully. If the police threw you in jail, and "we" are the government, you'd have to believe that you put yourself in jail, or that every American put you in jail.

I agree with you, Americans should give their loyalty to the constitution, and their country -- not to the politicians. Rand Paul says that we should treat the defense of Israel as our own.

It is time for the many good and loyal Paul supporters, who feel that they are doing the right thing by transferring their loyalty to the son, Rand, to realize that Rand has betrayed what we saw in his father, and needs to be rejected.

I'm still evaluating Rand Paul

I'm not 100% sure about him, but I think he is working the existing political system better than his father did. But if that's true, and he is working the system, then he must have a strategy that is unknown to us at this time, so I think it is too soon to decided. At least, there is a long time between now and 2016. In the mean time, the task at hand is changing the Congress in such a way that it can oppose the tyrant Obama.