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Meat and Dairy Cause Cancer (T. Colin Campbell)

Alarming speech by Dr. Campbell (the China Study), who actually grew up on a dairy farm himself but became a vegan after seeing the results from his own research: animal products and their link to cancer.

A practically lone voice crying in the wilderness, it seems, considering the popularity of the low carb diets and the high consumption of animal products in general. We (and I include myself as a cheese lover) only want to hear what we want to hear, but the truth always comes out sooner or later.

http://youtu.be/wcvC-hErx1g




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Hope this doesn't bode poorly for us

that people appear to be trending away from meat as a food.

My family is actually wanting to try more types of meat such as elk (we checked this off and it was great!), venison, rabbit, goat, lamb, wild turkey, and others.

We plan to raise cows, chickens, goats, and pigs on our farm with no antibiotics, hopefully no vaccines but we'll see, no growth hormones, no "chemical" pesticides or fertilizers, and use natural foraging and grass feeding. We'll use management intensive grazing for the cows. We will allow the pigs, chickens, and goats to forage in their areas with only limited amounts of natural/organic supplemental feed.

If my wife has her way we'll also have a milk cow or two, a large garden, and lots of egg laying chickens producing natural and/or organic products. We may get into aquaponics to raise some fish too.

Personally, I can't imagine not eating meat, but to each their own I guess. I hope for the sake of our future livelihood though that people don't abandon meat... after all it's quite tasty!

Our family's journey from the Rocket City to the Redoubt: www.suburbiatosimplicity.com

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Same Here!

aergrad,

Sounds like a great plan. This is the same path we are taking.

Good Luck.

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."

-Thomas Jefferson

You may find these resources

You may find these resources useful and inspirational:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb_t-sVVzF0&feature=sharecont...

Free Bird from raegan hodge on Vimeo.

A feel- good story about one farm and their devotion to pasture raised poultry.

Thanks!

Those were good.

The second video is like what we plan to do, but on a much smaller scale since we have less land.

We're going to rotate the meat chickens behind the cows in small managed pastures like that though.

We probably will have the pigs and goats separate, but may allow the pigs to help till the garden area and the goats to keep the winter pasture in check during the summer months.

Thanks again for the videos!

Our family's journey from the Rocket City to the Redoubt: www.suburbiatosimplicity.com

CUD from Joe York on Vimeo.

CUD from Joe York on Vimeo.

Another link:

Another link: https://www.facebook.com/permacultureVOICES/info

It's great to see people interested in this stuff.

wrong

You sir are incorrect. If you have ever been around someone on the atkins or ketogenic diet you immediately realize after watching them lose 50 pounds or more how incredibly healthy a all meat diet is.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/03/joseph-mercola/ketogenic-...

Whatever I eat is best!!!!!!

And all you people who eat stuff I don't eat are all getting diseases and will DIE SOON!!!!
SO I'm gonna sit here and defend my diet to the death!!!!

I Always Found It Rather Obsurd

To suggest that milk is somehow poisonous to mammals. Laughable.

To suggest that milk is

To suggest that milk is somehow poisonous to mammals. Laughable.

For mammals, the purpose of milk is to promote growth. Useful for the young, possibly harmful for adults. Look up insulin and IGF-1 roles in cell (normal and cancer) proliferation.

We are omnivores. Period. We

We are omnivores. Period.

We are always evolving and what is best for us at some time won't be the same later. EG it's arguable asians tolerate carbs better because they were civilized, agriculturalized long before europeans were. A lot of people probably died during that process though. Their diet changed their nature.

Different races are at different points on the carnivore-herbivore scale.

No human has yet to become completely herbivore or omnivore, though. If it ever happens it will be a long while. You will suffer for trying to do one alone.

That said:

Eat what you want. Leave me to do the same.

Asians

Have the fastest rate of developing diabetes in the West.

They are obviously not suited for a Western diet and coupled with their sedentary lifestyle they will be paying huge health care bills for some time to come imo.

Since many are not interested in physical labor in the West, they will most likely have many more other ailments I think. I know of several older Asians who have a ton of health problems, some from over eating and another who has since perished to a 'perverted' diet imo. These are highly educated people with advanced specialized degrees in biological sciences and medical sciences that must have cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to obtain and yet they even succumb to ignorance and irresponsibility in the context of nutrition and health especially. If they had remained in Asia they would most likely still be alive and/or in much better physical and psychological condition I think. Some have specifically told me they cannot stop eating large daily servings of fresh lobster for example.

They try to live the life of carefree Westerners but their bodies have not yet adapted from what I gather. I see more and more of them lining up at fast food places everyday.

BTW, Eating like a rabbit is not going to save you because people are not rabbits.

donvino

But, they're not fat!! :-\

Have the fastest rate of developing diabetes in the West.

But, they're not fat!! :-\

BS

The 'dirty' French eats tons of dairy and live quite healthy as do the Dutch and Germans and Swiss and Austrians.

I think they are obviously more active and naturally the cheese for example has less contaminated ingredients and more natural ones.

The Germans also eats a boat load of sausages if you have not noticed ie. 'Oktoberfeast' and Texans most likely eat tons of steak.

The Russians probably tons of meat too along with the rest of the former Eastern European vassal States.

They have cancer but I do not think it is off the charts.

Eastern European though laden with fats has much more natural ingredients from what I have experienced.

What about the Japanese? They eat tons of fish?

Greeks also have fat laden foods but eat lots of cheese and meats but the olives and lamb might offset this I think. Lamb is easy on the digestive system and the olive should be too.

Besides ....how the food is cooked is very important as well along with all the tons of grapes they ingest.

donvino

Aw Bull Puck

Does Dr. Campbell have a book out or one soon to be released? Always seems to be the case when someone has the newest research regarding something that isn't good for you or causes cancer.

I don't listen to these guys anymore. How many times has it been said something is good for you, then it isn't good for you, or it causes cancer, blah blah blah.

A healthy common sense diet, with an emphasis on trying to get the highest uncomtaminated quality product you can, then enjoy the food and life. I believe in a balanced diet, it keeps my head balanced as well. You can go off on your Vegan trips, Lacto ovo trips, pita trips, fruit loop trips, I really don't care, but you know, just leave me alone and go beat your drum in your closet.

I am 62 years old and have had a relatively healthy life. I have outlived many "vegan" friends who were always chastizing me for eating meat, fish, and dairy. So what's the point? I like ice cream, I like real butter, I love fresh cream, I like raw milk, I like farm raised chicken, beef, pork, fresh fish, garden vegetables, fresh fruit from the tree and vine, beans and legumes, I love humus, I like chocolate, I love a Coke from Mexico that has real sugar in it, I love honey, etc.
I DON'T LIKE what the corporations have done to our food supply! That is where the cancer is coming from, and if you are unlucky enough to have a "weak" family gene pool. People ignore the fact that many people have a very strong constitution in their family line that helps fight off cancers and other illnesses. Although the onslaught of modern day carcinogens is so great everyone is being weakened to some degree and put at risk.

I would dismiss this study

What meat and dairy was used? Its not what its in my fridge.

I buy 100% grass fed organic RAW milk. Everything I've read says its not the same as the factory farm pasteurized crap on most shelves.

Meat, I also buy 100% grassfed (sometimes organic) meat.....again from reading, it's not the same as the grain fed, hormone, antibiotic, factory crap in supermarkets.

This point alone tells me that this theory blows. The fact that humans need B-12 to survive, which comes from meat.
There's a few non-meat choices but it's not common.

True vitamin A comes from meat.

Also, if you want to make a war on food. Look at the all of the processed crap in supermarkets. Sugar and monsanto corn and soy is everywhere.

Everything you read? You haven't read enough!!

Although RAW milk is a...well I wouldn't necessarily call it "Healthier" alternative, lets call it a less polluted one. Milk produces a protein called Casien. When we are pre-puberty, we produce an enzyme that has the ability to unravel the Casien protein and digest it. After puberty, we lose that ability! So what happens to the Casien protein once we are unable to digest it?
Here all the answers to all of your HEALTH QUESTIONS. Should we eat meat? Do our anatomy's fit that of a Carnivore or a Herbivore?

Professor Walter J. Veith - world renowned scientist, author, and lecturer, has traveled widely throughout North America and the world presenting his visually documented Amazing Discoveries seminar series to large, enthusiastic crowds. Read about how he changed from an atheist and evolutionist to a Christian and creationist.


http://youtu.be/r9XuYRoqo1A

Don't get your response

These so called scientist parading around saying meat causes cancer has got to be the most ridiculous notion I've ever heard. And if you believe it then you should read some more.

I'm willing to believe RAW milk isn't as good for me as some say, but the reason I brought it up was that this study uses factory milk.

I'd like to see more studies done on Raw Milk was my point. Don't really care about any studies done on meat (organic 100% grass fed) because I'll never believe that meat causes cancer.

So called scientist?

Professor Walter Veith obtained his doctorate in zoology from the University of Cape Town in 1979. He is one of few scientists who believes that the theory of evolution does not provide a plausible explanation of our origins, nor does the geological and pale ontological data support evolution over long periods of time, but rather implies Catastrophism which is consistent with the Genesis account. He lectures internationally on this topic and has undertaken extensive tours to Europe, Africa and North America.

Professor Veith has written a number of books on the above topics, and is a world-renowned speaker and scientist. His book, Diet and Health, (in which latest insights including his own research are presented) is published by the prestigious scientific publisher: Stuttgart Scientific Publishers (Stuttgart Wissenschaftlicher Verlag), which publishes books for the medical profession and the pharmaceutical industry and is available on the world-wide market.

In addition, Professor Veith has written two other books: Genesis Conflict -an eye-opening study of the evolutionary theory and the evidences of creation found in the natural world and genetics. An excellent companion to Dr. Veith's evolution series; also Truth Matters - Escaping the Labyrinth of Error - a detailed study presenting Biblical answers to doctrinal questions such as, Was Jesus the Messiah?, Where do the dead go when they die? How will this world end?, and includes a discussion of the prophecies of the Bible and their interpretation. A book of over 400 pages, Truth Matters provides an authoritative study on the subjects presented by Professor Veith during his Bible seminars.

When we asked how he became a Christian, he said:
Walter Vieth: ‘It’s a long story, but I was an evolutionist, and an atheist. I started to get interested in the subject of Biblical prophecy—for example, prophecies in the book of Daniel, chapter two. They were written long before the events portrayed there, and the kingdoms came in succession just as it says. And the Dead Sea Scrolls seemed to confirm the authenticity and antiquity of the Book of Daniel. So I started to get interested in the rest of Scripture, including Genesis.’

And btw..can you show me some information on how meat is better/healthier for you than plants? You gave some information but now references.

OK, You want one about meat?

Title: 303 - Sitting on a Time Bomb

Author: Walter J. Veith

Description: The animal husbandry industry has dramatically changed over the last decades. Farm animals are fed recycled animal protein feeds, manure, and petrochemical waste. In addition, a host of drugs such as antibiotics and growth stimulants are used in this industry. The consequences of these practices for human consumers are potentially devastating. In this lecture, the ramifications of antibiotics, mad cows disease and infectious diseases are discussed and analyzed.


http://youtu.be/oK55vhMQkbU

Not all farms

Not all farms are bad. My post clearly states 100% grass-fed organic meat. You can buy from local farms and there are online options too.

Mark Shepard on Restoration


Mark Shepard on Restoration Agriculture

B12 & Vitamin A

B12 is manufactured inside your gut by intestinal probiotics, same thing that goes on in animals, which is why it's in them, as the animals get it from plants which get it from soil. B12 is difficult to assimilate in the body, but easy to manufacture in the intestines, and needed in small quantities (needed quantity is measured in micrograms).

Additionally, B12 is ruined with heat. So the B12 that was manufactured in the animals by the probiotics that were picked up by eating vegetables is ruined when you fry, bake, barbeque that sausage. Sorry.

When you say "True vitamin A comes from meat" you are either being dishonest or so simple you are misleading. Either way you are mislabeling Palmitate as "true" as if to make it sound like it is superior. The fact is your body cannot store that kind of vitamin A very well and becomes poisonous, whereas the carotanoids found in things like carrots (which they are named after) can be stored safely in the human body (within the fatty tissue) at greater quantities and used when needed without worries of toxicity.

Don't take this info as me trying to argue for vegetarianism, as what foods we eat are our individual choice, but I am making an argument for the side of truth.
These kinds of arguments saying we "need" meat have been debunked for decades. We don't need it, but what we do need is to verify claims and quit proclaiming what is true based on our personal choices. Fruits, veggies, and animal products are choices to eat or not and reflect our values. Simple as that.

B12

My argument is protein does Not cause cancer. Its a ridiculous notion to say such a thing. Maybe dairy does....but i'd like to see more studies done on the raw milk.

Not sure i understand your argument on b12....you think we do or do not need B-12? And are saying we can get it from plants? I believe chlorella and fermented soy are options but I think meat makes more sense.

Please Make Sense

You say your argument is protein does not cause cancer then say maybe milk does, yet milk is composed of proteins.

If you don't understand my argument about B12, I'm sorry it must have gone over your head, because nowhere did I say we don't need B12. Please go back and read up on B12 and get back to me on it (I'm not your school teacher).

And just claiming "meat makes more sense" is not an argument, it's a groundless assertion.

Again, not making a case for vegetarians, as my criticism is there to help your argument: If were to just thoughtlessly agree with you then I'd logically have to agree with "Chlorella makes more sense" argument or "Fermented soy makes more sense".

Let's make sense here.

GPS I hear you my man!

I still eat meat...! But I'm trying to educate myself and appreciate the feedback you guys/gals are providing. I don't think you watched the whole video tho! Did you see him compare our anatomy to that of other Carnivores and Herbivores? Our body parts resemble that of the Herbivore, such as intestine length, the design of our teeth, the amount of acid in our stomach. He compared the acidity of a Carnivore's stomach, which is designed to break down meat and has 10 times the acidity of a Herbivores. He goes on to explain that because meat can stay in the stomach for up to 6-8 hours! Plants normally around 2-4 hours. Because the vegetables are digested faster than the meat, but are introduced to the stomach at the same time, and don't pass until the meat does, the vegetables start to ferment inside the stomach which can lead to all kinds of nasty complications and side-effects. This guy is like Ron Paul to me. Every time He speaks I learn something, and when I fact check the many references he uses in his lectures, they checkout. Anyways, he gives lots of information and the video is very long, but I would take the time to listen to it completely, then do your own fact-checking, as opposed to just getting emotional about that steak you love so much! (Smile)

Sounds Good

Now that is a post that makes sense to me.
It's sense like this that will get me to give the video a chance. Habits are hard to give up, whether it's smoking or eating, so patience is always the best virtue when sharing knowledge.

One question though: The digestive tract does make a lot of sense for being an herbivore, but what about the "canine" teeth, aren't those for eating meat because the are named "canines" and canines are animals that eat meat?
Or are they more useful for puncturing the soft flesh of fruits (apples, plums, etc)?

Life Sucks

I have no control over what I put into my body, and they keep trying to trick me with lies. Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul!