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Meat and Dairy Cause Cancer (T. Colin Campbell)

Alarming speech by Dr. Campbell (the China Study), who actually grew up on a dairy farm himself but became a vegan after seeing the results from his own research: animal products and their link to cancer.

A practically lone voice crying in the wilderness, it seems, considering the popularity of the low carb diets and the high consumption of animal products in general. We (and I include myself as a cheese lover) only want to hear what we want to hear, but the truth always comes out sooner or later.


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Don't get your response

These so called scientist parading around saying meat causes cancer has got to be the most ridiculous notion I've ever heard. And if you believe it then you should read some more.

I'm willing to believe RAW milk isn't as good for me as some say, but the reason I brought it up was that this study uses factory milk.

I'd like to see more studies done on Raw Milk was my point. Don't really care about any studies done on meat (organic 100% grass fed) because I'll never believe that meat causes cancer.

So called scientist?

Professor Walter Veith obtained his doctorate in zoology from the University of Cape Town in 1979. He is one of few scientists who believes that the theory of evolution does not provide a plausible explanation of our origins, nor does the geological and pale ontological data support evolution over long periods of time, but rather implies Catastrophism which is consistent with the Genesis account. He lectures internationally on this topic and has undertaken extensive tours to Europe, Africa and North America.

Professor Veith has written a number of books on the above topics, and is a world-renowned speaker and scientist. His book, Diet and Health, (in which latest insights including his own research are presented) is published by the prestigious scientific publisher: Stuttgart Scientific Publishers (Stuttgart Wissenschaftlicher Verlag), which publishes books for the medical profession and the pharmaceutical industry and is available on the world-wide market.

In addition, Professor Veith has written two other books: Genesis Conflict -an eye-opening study of the evolutionary theory and the evidences of creation found in the natural world and genetics. An excellent companion to Dr. Veith's evolution series; also Truth Matters - Escaping the Labyrinth of Error - a detailed study presenting Biblical answers to doctrinal questions such as, Was Jesus the Messiah?, Where do the dead go when they die? How will this world end?, and includes a discussion of the prophecies of the Bible and their interpretation. A book of over 400 pages, Truth Matters provides an authoritative study on the subjects presented by Professor Veith during his Bible seminars.

When we asked how he became a Christian, he said:
Walter Vieth: ‘It’s a long story, but I was an evolutionist, and an atheist. I started to get interested in the subject of Biblical prophecy—for example, prophecies in the book of Daniel, chapter two. They were written long before the events portrayed there, and the kingdoms came in succession just as it says. And the Dead Sea Scrolls seemed to confirm the authenticity and antiquity of the Book of Daniel. So I started to get interested in the rest of Scripture, including Genesis.’

And btw..can you show me some information on how meat is better/healthier for you than plants? You gave some information but now references.

OK, You want one about meat?

Title: 303 - Sitting on a Time Bomb

Author: Walter J. Veith

Description: The animal husbandry industry has dramatically changed over the last decades. Farm animals are fed recycled animal protein feeds, manure, and petrochemical waste. In addition, a host of drugs such as antibiotics and growth stimulants are used in this industry. The consequences of these practices for human consumers are potentially devastating. In this lecture, the ramifications of antibiotics, mad cows disease and infectious diseases are discussed and analyzed.


Not all farms

Not all farms are bad. My post clearly states 100% grass-fed organic meat. You can buy from local farms and there are online options too.

Mark Shepard on Restoration

Mark Shepard on Restoration Agriculture

B12 & Vitamin A

B12 is manufactured inside your gut by intestinal probiotics, same thing that goes on in animals, which is why it's in them, as the animals get it from plants which get it from soil. B12 is difficult to assimilate in the body, but easy to manufacture in the intestines, and needed in small quantities (needed quantity is measured in micrograms).

Additionally, B12 is ruined with heat. So the B12 that was manufactured in the animals by the probiotics that were picked up by eating vegetables is ruined when you fry, bake, barbeque that sausage. Sorry.

When you say "True vitamin A comes from meat" you are either being dishonest or so simple you are misleading. Either way you are mislabeling Palmitate as "true" as if to make it sound like it is superior. The fact is your body cannot store that kind of vitamin A very well and becomes poisonous, whereas the carotanoids found in things like carrots (which they are named after) can be stored safely in the human body (within the fatty tissue) at greater quantities and used when needed without worries of toxicity.

Don't take this info as me trying to argue for vegetarianism, as what foods we eat are our individual choice, but I am making an argument for the side of truth.
These kinds of arguments saying we "need" meat have been debunked for decades. We don't need it, but what we do need is to verify claims and quit proclaiming what is true based on our personal choices. Fruits, veggies, and animal products are choices to eat or not and reflect our values. Simple as that.


My argument is protein does Not cause cancer. Its a ridiculous notion to say such a thing. Maybe dairy does....but i'd like to see more studies done on the raw milk.

Not sure i understand your argument on b12....you think we do or do not need B-12? And are saying we can get it from plants? I believe chlorella and fermented soy are options but I think meat makes more sense.

Please Make Sense

You say your argument is protein does not cause cancer then say maybe milk does, yet milk is composed of proteins.

If you don't understand my argument about B12, I'm sorry it must have gone over your head, because nowhere did I say we don't need B12. Please go back and read up on B12 and get back to me on it (I'm not your school teacher).

And just claiming "meat makes more sense" is not an argument, it's a groundless assertion.

Again, not making a case for vegetarians, as my criticism is there to help your argument: If were to just thoughtlessly agree with you then I'd logically have to agree with "Chlorella makes more sense" argument or "Fermented soy makes more sense".

Let's make sense here.

GPS I hear you my man!

I still eat meat...! But I'm trying to educate myself and appreciate the feedback you guys/gals are providing. I don't think you watched the whole video tho! Did you see him compare our anatomy to that of other Carnivores and Herbivores? Our body parts resemble that of the Herbivore, such as intestine length, the design of our teeth, the amount of acid in our stomach. He compared the acidity of a Carnivore's stomach, which is designed to break down meat and has 10 times the acidity of a Herbivores. He goes on to explain that because meat can stay in the stomach for up to 6-8 hours! Plants normally around 2-4 hours. Because the vegetables are digested faster than the meat, but are introduced to the stomach at the same time, and don't pass until the meat does, the vegetables start to ferment inside the stomach which can lead to all kinds of nasty complications and side-effects. This guy is like Ron Paul to me. Every time He speaks I learn something, and when I fact check the many references he uses in his lectures, they checkout. Anyways, he gives lots of information and the video is very long, but I would take the time to listen to it completely, then do your own fact-checking, as opposed to just getting emotional about that steak you love so much! (Smile)

Sounds Good

Now that is a post that makes sense to me.
It's sense like this that will get me to give the video a chance. Habits are hard to give up, whether it's smoking or eating, so patience is always the best virtue when sharing knowledge.

One question though: The digestive tract does make a lot of sense for being an herbivore, but what about the "canine" teeth, aren't those for eating meat because the are named "canines" and canines are animals that eat meat?
Or are they more useful for puncturing the soft flesh of fruits (apples, plums, etc)?

Life Sucks

I have no control over what I put into my body, and they keep trying to trick me with lies. Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul!

and salt was bad too

until a recent study. now it's all good

My grandmother lived to her 90s eating all the stuff these studies said not to.

So I eat what I like. Moderation is what is important.

Actually, it's REFINED salt that is bad for you....

I like the Himalayan Pink Salt from Trader Joe's but you can find almost anywhere.


It's not logically possible

It's not logically possible for necessary nutrients that are self limiting to cause health problems. Unnecessary "nutrients", OTOH...

But right at the outset I can make two key statements that no one can refute:
First, there is no physiological requirement for sugar; all human nutritional needs can be met in full without having to take a single spoon of white or brown or raw sugar, on its own or in any food or drink.
Secondly, if only a small fraction of what is already known about the effects of sugar were to be revealed in relation to any other material used as a food additive, that material would promptly be banned. --John Yudkin, Pure White & Deadly

Then how did humanity

make it this far?

have you seen the film


it shows pretty much how far we've come.

Not sure why all the thumbs down?

Everyone should listen to all sides of everything, NO?

Of the available reasons to

Of the available reasons to be vegetarian, Campbell's China Study book probably should not be one of them.

After year eating only meat,

Campbell-Westman Debate

the younger guy

has a fat butter face and comes off like a hustler. the old guy is lean and has the facts but isn't much of a debater.

Hustling a free video on youtube...

Dr Eric Westman - Duke University New Atkins Ketogenic Diet for Weight Loss and Health

it's called promotion

Fresh fruits are natural, nutrient-rich, health-promoting foods. Researchers have discovered substances in fruits – especially blueberries and strawberries – that have unique effects on preventing aging and deterioration of the brain.(2) Adding more fresh fruit to the diet can decrease the risk of diabetes.(3) Some fruits, especially blueberries, are rich in anthocyanins and other compounds that have anti-aging effects.(4) Apple consumption is associated with decreased risk of colorectal cancer.(5) Eating citrus fruits decreases the risk of all cancers of the digestive tract.(6) Overall fruit consumption has been shown in numerous studies to offer our strongest protection against several cancers: oral and esophageal, lung, prostate, colorectal, and pancreatic cancer.(7)


Overall fruit consumption has

Overall fruit consumption has been shown in numerous studies to offer our strongest protection against several cancers: oral and esophageal, lung, prostate, colorectal, and pancreatic cancer.(7)

We can ask Steve Jobs how well that worked for him... :-\

Why We All Don't Get Cancer -- Sloan-Kettering

how much did he eat daily?

moderation is the key. nuts are good for you too, but that doesn't mean you eat a grocery bag full.

moderation is the key. nuts

moderation is the key. nuts are good for you too, but that doesn't mean you eat a grocery bag full.

Fortunately, fat is naturally self moderating. Fat doesn't disrupt our satiety signaling. Nature is elegant like that.

What Is Hunger, and Why Are We Hungry?