Meat and Dairy Cause Cancer (T. Colin Campbell)
Submitted by dinahtab on Sun, 01/27/2013 - 09:52Alarming speech by Dr. Campbell (the China Study), who actually grew up on a dairy farm himself but became a vegan after seeing the results from his own research: animal products and their link to cancer.
A practically lone voice crying in the wilderness, it seems, considering the popularity of the low carb diets and the high consumption of animal products in general. We (and I include myself as a cheese lover) only want to hear what we want to hear, but the truth always comes out sooner or later.
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And there are some...
...who perpetuate the lie that a diet high in protein builds muscle. All it builds is obesity, cancer, and heart disease.
Sorry dinahtab, but you simply do not know that
Sorry dinahtab, but you simply do not know that.
You would be doing well to do more learning about nutrition and less preaching.
Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.
I read and provided links
That's why I can say that. No preaching here -- you can see for yourself, if you'll read the links and take a look at Campbell's research results. Numbers don't lie.
dinahtab, LOL ! The choir
dinahtab, LOL ! The choir knows better than what you're preaching. Good luck! ;-)
Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.
You know..
This may be off topic, but the more I learn about vegans the more I see flaws in their logic and their lifestyle. Their whole thing is to stop consumption of all animals and against anything that's bad for the environment, right?
Well, why do the majority of them still own or use products that are made from animals or are bad for the earth? Why do they drive automobiles or live in houses constructed of materials that are bad for the earth? And do they actually know that a fruit, vegetable or any plant for that matter are living organisms as well? It doesn't matter if they don't feel pain or do not have a brain, they're still living growing things. Do vegans have some bias towards living things with eyes and not for the ones without? LOL
Ok, rant or whatever it is over now lol
On subject, I know milk and meats have their cons, but so does any other foods. It depends on the individual, really. Every person is different and have different digestive systems. I know that colostrum(nutrient built milk calves drink first 6 days of birth) can be amazing for ones body, even killing cancerous issues and other diseases in humans. I also know some meats like Kangaroo steak (never had it I just heard lol) are really good for your health as well. Being an omnivore may not be for everyone, but it worked really well for cavemen/women, so I see no issue here (As long as it's free range/organic foods).
Avoid ALL extremes.
Simple Bible verse...simple common sense.
Biblically Speaking..
Adam & Eve (and decedents) were permitted to eat (certain) animals AFTER the fall of mankind, not while they were in their perfect bodies living in the garden.
Anyone remember their Bible lessons? Remember that God instructed Daniel and his cohorts to not eat the royal food of king Nebuchadnezzar's palace? He and his buddies did so well on a plant based diet that king Nebuchadnezzar had his own men switch over to Daniel's diet.
The book of Genesis is pretty specific on 'not eating meat that still has the life blood in it'
I realize that meat was consumed by many in the Bible, but between meat & plants (YOU DO HAVE A CHOICE TO MAKE) I think there is a clear winner.
It was the time of Noah...
....when God permitted meat. Up until after the Great Flood, all men were vegan, despite the "paleo diet" claim.
Paul was also given...
...the okay. Also, everything is permissible, but not everything is beneficial. And, I promise not to eat meat in front of you if it will cause you to stumble.=) JK
Why do you have to make a choice?
There is no choice to be made except what is biblically clean or eating what you want. You are creating a false argument if you say people have to choose between meat and plants.
Why did Daniel refuse Nebuchadnezzar's food? Because it was biblically unclean meat. If the choice is between pig and vegetables then the choice is clear for vegetables but there is no need to choose between beef and vegetables because either is clean. It was the biblically unclean diet that made the Babylonians unhealthy just as it is making people unhealthy today. So in that regard vegan is better but it is not better than a biblically clean and balanced diet. Unless you think you know better than GOD.
It is clear that blood is not to be eaten in the OT and NT yet there are some who intentionally eat blood to their own detriment. But that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
The clear winner is the Scriptural diet which includes meat.
The 'Daniel Fast' was put to
The 'Daniel Fast' was put to the test http://nutritionfacts.org/video/biblical-daniel-fast-put-to-...
"The clear winner is the Scriptural diet which includes meat." I disagree with that statement. I think God's original intent was for humans to consume a plant based diet. Remember Genesis 1:29? "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."
As I said above it was only after the fall of humankind and the exile from the garden did God permit humans to eat some animals. However also keep in mind that meat from biblical times is VASTLY different then modern day meat - toxins, animal concentration camps, the feed being fed to them, etc.
As a recent convert to an all plant based diet all I can say is try it for yourself if optimal health is important in your life. I'm not making the argument humans can't eat and process meat & dairy, clearly we can. But there's a reason America is a VERY sick country, and it's not from people eating to much kale. "MILK it does a body good" Remember that propaganda BS all over TV commercials for decades?? Like the big drug companies, the meat and dairy industries are interested in one thing, PROFITS not your health. And with the FDA backing their play with their seal of approval, millions (myself included) were duped.
Thank you
As a former meat eater who loved cheese but has felt so much better since switching to a plant-based diet, I agree with you completely,
Science Of Experience
part of the: 'let it all hang out philosophy'. Be free, everyone is an expert.
Not so much what you eat but, 'what kind of person that you are, your attitude'.
There are always people who will tell you what you should and should not do.
As always, a balance is needed regardless what is consumed. So as in fertilizer that the plants are fed with. An over abundance of one can cause another to be locked up. Some not available, an imbalance occurs.
Vegan-ism is almost like a religion of some sort. Something to believe in. Abstaining from meats are for the weak.
How does he profit? What is influencing his train of thought? Religion? Only takes one degree off to 'mis the mark'.
Poison in the air, land and sea would be a more worthy study, IMB. Including, not forgetting all of the massive electricity going from pole to pole *edit: terminals across the farm lands. Bzzzzzzzzz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpa4KKQddWw
Might be appropriate here: in this case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgVMMdOplHw
Think about the purpose of milk
It is intended for baby calves, when they are growing. It is a high growth food. Those little babies need it to grow. It is not intended for consumption beyond youth, and it is certainly not intended for consumption by adults of a different species. Milk is really kind of gross when you think about what you're actually drinking.
Milk is for high growth. What kind of organisms is high growth? Cancer.
As for meat: It is a dead food. Think of how those animals are slaughtered - all the fear and pain at the moment of death. And then you're going to put that into your body?
The old adage goes, you are what you eat. It is much better to eat living foods.
I certainly feel the difference in myself and my body. Most people's senses are too dead to feel it. But I feel sluggish and tired when I eat mean, vs. energized and invigorated when I drink a fresh pressed glass of organic juice. There is nothing like that feeling in the world.
That being said, I still eat meat. I stopped drinking milk in bulk aeons ago, though I still have a splash of cream in my coffee.
Hey Mike
Appreciate what you do with the DP, but this is silliest, most quasi-spiritual and nonsensical argument against eating meat and dairy that I have ever heard. How about some rationalism?
1. Cancer cells feed almost exclusively on glucose, and the lactose in milk is made up of glucose and galactose. So there is some weight to the notion that consuming dairy isn't beneficial during cancer treatment. However, fermented dairy such as aged cheeses, and rendered dairy such as butter, contain very little lactose. In fact, for those who aren't lactose intolerant, it is more likely they begin having an adverse reaction to the milk protein casein later in life rather than any problems with the sugars it contains. Bottom line: dairy doesn't cause or promote cancer, at least not relative to other more inflammatory foods. There is no clinical study I know of which shows such a relationship.
2. Meat is a "dead" food? Fear and pain of slaughtered animals? Those claims are ridiculous and irrelevant as to whether meat is nutritionally good for humans to consume. You might as well be saying we should avoid all foods that are red, because red is an angry colour.
3. It's possible that the reason you feel tired and sluggish after eating meat is completely psychological. You do believe that meat is a "dead" food, so it follows that eating it may be an emotional hardship. I'm not your therapist though, so who knows. However, the most likely reason you feel energized after drinking a fresh pressed glass of organic juice is a combination of the sugar rush + positive emotional feedback due to drinking something you consider healthy. IOW, a self-medicated placebo effect.
Clinical studies have shown that diets rich in meats and vegetables and low in refined calories such as sugars, grains and starches, are the most effective at promoting health and weight loss. Conversely, more clinical studies are appearing which show both that: a) the cholesterol level in your blood has no relation to your risk of heart attack, and b) industrially extracted vegetable oils which are supposed to reduce your cholesterol (and are therefore "heart" healthy) actually promote coronary inflammation which can lead to heart disease. At the same time, animal fats and natural vegetable fats (olive, coconut, avocado) have been shown to be protective against heart disease.
When it comes to nutrition, how you feel about something should definitely be taken into account, but always with the caveat that your feelings might be entirely mistaken when subjected to clinical trial.
BTW, I certainly feel energized and healthy after eating a plateful of locally raised bacon!
Conjugated lenoleic acid.
Conjugated lenoleic acid. It's in little supply in the liquid most Americans identify as milk and it's in abundance in natural milk, that is, milk from roaming cows eating their natural diet. What cows eat is what's in their milk and of course is them, which in turn is your steak, hamburger and so on.
Nonpasteurized, nonhomogenized milk from cows eating their natural diets contain all their nutrients including its enzymes and of course the enzyme lactace, which breaks down lactose, disabling the reaction lactose intolerance.
In milk pasteurized and homogenized, nutrients are dead and crushed. Pasteurization kills all nutrients (which means they are dead and decaying, rotting) and homogenization crushes butter fat, a healthful natural component of milk. Nutrient death of course includes lactase's, thereby enabling the reaction to lactose, lactose intolerance. Milk that's undergone those processes are is milk from cows fed and raised wrongly and whose milk is mixed into vats carrying milk from multiple dairies (whose cows are fed and raised the same) on the way to dairy centers that carry out those processes.
Bad diets + bad living standards + mixing of milk from dairies = pasteurization (ultra if need be) and homogenzation.
The white liquid most Americans call milk isn't milk, and its difference to milk is tremendous. Milk, what healthy cows produce, fights cancer (research CLA but as with any nutrient in any food, CLA must be with all other nutrients to work or work to its full extent), cleans blood, builds bone including collagen growth of course, reduces inflammation and performs more benefits.
I linked to a video about raw milk in my comment below to Michael Nystrom. The link goes to Amazon selling this video. I think you'll enjoy this video.
School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me
I don't claim to know what is right for others
What I find amusing and sad is that people have such certainty about a topic that they have an emotional attachment to. To address your points:
1. I think if the causes of cancer were clear and well understood, it would have been eradicated by now. There are places that claim to have cured cancer - this is a dicey thing to claim, as the FDA might shut you down. But places that practice the Gerson Therapy," such as the Hippocrates Institute in Florida, do it by using massive doses of living foods.
2. Yes, meat is dead. The way that animals are treated as they are raised and slaughtered is kept well hidden from the public. But if it were seen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmXtcGC9ago
I think that many people would change their minds about what they eat.
I know that the majority of Americans are not spiritually advanced enough to understand this, but there are plenty out there who do as well.
3. The reason I feel sluggish after eating meat is certainly not psychological. I get a similar feeling, though different in quality, after eating large quantities of grain based meals, such as bread, pasta, or white rice. Again, these are all processed, dead foods. And if you think I'm getting a "sugar rush" from a glass of vegetable juice, then you have a lot to learn friend.
There are all kinds of studies. Joel Furhmann disagrees with your assessment is his highly acclaimed book Eat to Live: The Amazing Nutrient-Rich Program for Fast and Sustained Weight Loss, Revised Edition
But if you feel great eating platefuls of bacon, then knock yourself out.
LOL
"But if you feel great eating platefuls of bacon, then knock yourself out."
Raw Milk: Lengthy Message to You, Please Read
Michael, I'm writing you to inform you I wrote you a lengthy message below. Perhaps you've read it, but I don't know if you have or even if you saw it in your profile because many people write you. If you wouldn't mind, please leave a sentence for me so I know you read it. I'd feel my lengthy early morning message a waste of time and effort if you didn't see it. Thanks, Michael.
School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me
As a test, and if you can
As a test, and if you can somehow get hold of it, buy Organic Pastures milk. It's raw. The cows producing this milk eat grass and weeds and roam in one part of a large pasture, then after devouring it move to a fresh portion of the pasture. They rotate when it's time and are indoors during poor weather. They're cared for homeopathically, which I think is bizarre, but evidently it works for the cows. The test, however, would be this: Drink the best milk you can find, then drink OP's milk.
Notice a couple things: the inside of the glasses after they're empty and notice how your mouth feels, paying attention to the insides of your cheeks, gums and teeth. After you run this test, let me know your observations. I've had a few people do this and they reported what I thought they would. I'm curious to see if you report what they did and what I noticed when I began drinking this milk, in summer 2007.
In trying to convince the manager of the mini mart I worked for to carry OP's milk, in the summer I called OP for information. In my conversation with the receptionist, he said Mark McAfee, the diary man of OP, recently employed pathologists to test his milk daily for pathogens. This decision is one smart maneuver. It puts nothing less than a crimp in the ability of the state government, the California government, to force McAfee to recall his milk and all his other products such as cheese, cream, kefir and colostrum when someone claims he gets sick from one of them, but which is always milk, I recollect. I'm confident McAfee made this maneuver in response to the recall in late 2011 that left him unable to sell his products anywhere but on his farm for three, maybe four, months.
This recall was based on three or four people who said they drank his milk but couldn't disprove whatever else they ingested at the time could have caused them to feel ill. I don't remember their illnesses, but I think they were minor. These claims were strange for at least one reason: Up to that time, Mark had his milk tested in batches weekly, and not one batch came back bad or, even, tainted. Not one. I think this testing was onsite but it wasn't how it is now, detailed. As well, I think he performed it or if not that, then he recorded it. If it was recorded, then the testing was done by an outside source. I just don't remember.
What I linked to in my comment above to you is a two CD set with one half of it being a two-hour documentary of McAfee walking the viewer through his diary (which, aside from his invitation to anyone to walk through his dairy, is the only view of a dairy anyone will ever see this way, closely), discussing how he makes his milk and for a about an hour answering questions from the videographer after the walkthrough. A fair number of those questions pertain to the science of his milk. The second disc contains an interview with naturopath Geoff Getoff of Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation, the namesake organization dedicated to preserving and building on the work of those doctors. His interview is solid, but I think the McAfee dairy walkthrough and interview is better. Each disc is about two hours long. I think you'll appreciate this video set.
OK, Mich~ael, talk with you later, and if you got questions, you know what to do: keep 'em to yourself. Just kidding. lol. Ask me. Later, man.
School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me
IMHO
Price-Pottenger are to nutrition what Ludwig von Mises is to economics.
tilting@windbags
OK. So, what do
OK. So, what do you think about Mises?
School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me
fyi
I am working on answering your question...without it turning into a tome :-) Busy week...
tilting@windbags
Sounds good. Take your time.
Sounds good. Take your time. I know what you mean when you say long week. This week has been busy and long for me. In fact, I've been busy the last three weeks. Ahhh. lol.
Your comment reminds me of a reply I need to produce for vote1988 on a contentious topic in America she, I, RP and many aware people recognize and that, if approached rightly, it can be put to rest (as opposed to lively and inflamed). vote1988 and I are trying to understand what rightly is, lol. Ah, I need to reply to her to inform her I remember her and that I meant no disrespect having taken a long time to reply.
OK, thanks for the reminder, diana. Take care and I'll talk with you later.
School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me
But Michael
You said you think that many people would change their minds about what they eat if they could see just exactly how meat & milk were made.
It certainly made me change my mind.
I haven't eaten a corpse for over 30 years nor drank any animal secretions for 10.
BUT then you admit you still eat meat??? -- I don't get it.
There's nothing emotional about it
I don't take chances with my health by basing my nutritional choices on feelings or emotion. I take a look at the clinical science and make (what I hope are) sound judgments.
I don't claim to know everything about nutrition, but what I do know can be backed up.
If you make your vegetable juices without any fruits or root vegetables (carrots, etc.), then I retract my comment about the sugar.
Sustainable Farming
There are alternatives to subsidized, factory farming:
http://vimeo.com/48370669
http://vimeo.com/8239427
http://youtu.be/T7XyOcCtnMo
Protein requirements are actually quite modest.
The reason that cancer has not been eradicated
I'm sure you have seen this before.
Cancer The Forbidden Cures
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsOPzBHPsqM
The reason that cancer has not been eradicated, like war, is that there's mega profit in it for TPTB.
Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.
Fully agree with this statement
> "It is much better to eat living foods."
Michael - see if you can score yourself some contraband raw milk. It is living, not dead (pasteurized & homogenized).
Oh, and if you like cream in your coffee - man, are you in for a treat with real cream. Not powdered stuff or anything in a plastic or cardboard container. Yes, it's that good. If you can't find raw cream, just try raw milk - since it will have a higher fat content. It will not have that "essence of cardboard" which is common with "creamers"
99% "Milk"=Night, 1% Milk=Day
Thinking about the purpose of milk while knowing the difference between what 99 percent of Americans drink, a liquid identified as milk because its origin is milk, and the 1 percent of people who drink milk, something they rediscovered for whatever reason with no less than because they noticed milk's taste, texture and feeling it left inside the mouth, in the throat and in the body after drinking it changed throughout the years, is good. Yes, think about the purpose of milk, a gift from nature I think must've inspired the line in the land of milk and honey.
Where cows graze their natural diet including moving to where they want in the pasture providing regrowth of nature to return to and spend all days outside and in the sun except poor weather days, their milk if kept by itself instead of mixed with milk from other diaries into large vats on their way to pasteurization and homogenzation centers to destroy even the good bacteria and enzymes in the milk and crush the butter fat that also benefits life, leaving behind dead bacteria (some of which doesn't die, hence the putrid odor near or after milk has passed its expiration date and transform into rot given enough time), will consist of nothing it's not supposed to have and everything it's supposed to without needing one reconstituter. Nature's milk will do what it's meant to: promote strong bones, work with the body to regrow broken ones and, least known, clean blood whose benefit is -- huge.
Milk from nature raised cows produces NO pathogens AND if a bad bacteria were to get into this milk, it is destroyed immediately, snuffing out the chance for it to multiply. Because of milk's defense, it turns into clabbered milk after the expiration date, a bitter milk whose beneficial bacteria growth is to the stars.
The difference between what 99 percent of Americans drink is something named milk, a liquid that moves sluggishly through the body and gums it up, and milk that very few Americans drink is the difference between night and day, a comparison of quality that's more than metaphor for the taking and the giving of life. (You did mention dead food and live food.)
The farmer, as opposed to the person doing something resembling farming because he lost his soul to Big Business and its brother, the government, is a rare person. Now you can understand why word of mouth is the commercial. In a way, that's just fine. Acquiring this knowledge, as any knowledge worth having, takes a person who wants to know, and maybe luck, help, for which when received is something to smile about and be thankful.
School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me