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Meat and Dairy Cause Cancer (T. Colin Campbell)

Alarming speech by Dr. Campbell (the China Study), who actually grew up on a dairy farm himself but became a vegan after seeing the results from his own research: animal products and their link to cancer.

A practically lone voice crying in the wilderness, it seems, considering the popularity of the low carb diets and the high consumption of animal products in general. We (and I include myself as a cheese lover) only want to hear what we want to hear, but the truth always comes out sooner or later.


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re: Sugar doesn't cause diabetes

First Fruit Fly Model of Diet-Induced Type 2 Diabetes Shows How High-Sugar Diet Affects Heart

Diabetic fruit flies with heart problems

The research team was the first to model heart disease caused by type 2 diabetes in fruit flies. They achieved this simply by feeding the flies a diet high in sucrose. High-sucrose flies showed many classic signs of human type 2 diabetes, including high blood sugar and insulin signaling defects.

What is your medical training?

If you do not understand the relationship between sugar and metabolism, and therefore diabetes, you are in over your head.
Gee, Deja Vu....?

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Did you read the links?

Did you read diabetes.org and Dr. McDougall links? They clarify the myth that sugar causes diabetes type 2, which most people, laymen and medical doctors alike, have bought into.

Can you answer a simple question?

I have twenty years experience in healthcare, have a 2 year MA degree and a 4 year COMT certificate. My husband is an RN. Essentially, I have taken anatomy and physiology three times now. I have never said "sugar causes diabetes" I told you that if you do not understand the link between sugar and metabolism you are in over your head. You may find all sorts of links to support what you believe, but I have been in the lab playing with the cells. Have you?

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

So I take it you admit...

...that you didn't know that sugar doesn't cause diabetes, which was the subject. For some reason, sugar and metabolism was brought up only by you, and you brought it up in relation to diabetes, as I think you'll see if you re-read the comments.

One doesn't have to be trained in the medical field to post a video by a research scientist who's done the actual research that laymen would understand.

So, you admit you have no idea what you are talking about.

Just posting videos and calling that "research." Well, here is a video that covers some of the basics. I did not make this video, but I have sat t the microscope and watched the cells. Once one has learned something by experience, they tend to not fall for BS.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Too late, Fishy

You've already made your depth of knowledge clear by backtracking on your sugar-causing-diabetes claim and yet again by saying my posting of a video is somehow my claim of research, which, as everyone knows, it is not.

I don't pretend to be an expert. I just do the research that any layman can do -- finding out who pays the experts, who pays for the studies, what the actual results of the studies are, and what the results on my own body are.

But it's apparent that you do not even do those things. So why do you pretend at being an expert when you've already failed at being a layman?

You are pathetic, and I'm not bumping your turd any more.

What I said is plain for all to see. I never said "sugar causes diabetes" I said there is a relationship between sugar and metabolism, and therefore diabetes. And I said you are in over your head, but clearly you are intrenched in your beliefs and out to proselytize, not learn anything.

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This thread is a hoot!

dinahtab just keeps going and going, regardless of anything anyone posts, and is a lost cause who will never know it.

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You're quite a hoot

Not only did you not watch the video but it's obvious you didn't read any of the links either.

You don't work in the meat or dairy industry, by any chance, do you?

dinahtab, out of curiosity, how old are you?

dinahtab, out of curiosity, how old are you?

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And I used to think my physical ailments and depression were due to menopause. I thought that until I completely eliminated animal products and dairy, except for the occasional wild-caught seafood.

How old are you?

Ok. That explains a lot.

Ok. That explains a lot.

And as I've posted before, it's great that you found a diet that works for you.

Are you taking a good EFA supplement? Women should take one that is a mix of Omega 3, 6 and 9 to maintain proper hormonal balance (Nordic Naturals makes a great one called Complete Omega 3-6-9 D). Along with a serious multi-nutrient like Beyond Tangy Tangerine and you'll be blown away by how you can feel even better than you do now.

I'm a few years younger.

PS. Were you eating organic meat and dairy before you gave them up?

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For several years...

...I only consumed organic, Certified Humane meat and dairy and I took supplements every day, including the complete Omega by New Chapter. Yet I was still frequently nauseas, had daily hot flashes, mild depression, moodiness, lethargy, and could not lose the menopausal weight I had gained. The neck pain was constant. I tried EVERYTHING and had all the blood tests done (which showed everything was normal).

Nothing worked until I gave up meat and dairy, on the advice of a doctor. It's been amazing -- no more moodiness, nausea, hot flashes. My clothes fit better, my skin looks better, and I have more energy than I've had in years. I actually enjoy going to the gym now! My neck pain has subsided substantially too (though I'm sure that's partly because I resigned from my career and now go to the gym every day)

I posted this video partly in case there are other women around my age out there who want to feel better and have tried everything, including medication, without success. I know there are open-minded people on Daily Paul that are at least willing to look at the research and listen to what Campbell has to say.

Well said.

Well said.

Yes dinahtab, what is your medical background?

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I have no medical background

I read the research and I know how I've felt since giving up meat and dairy.

Be careful about relying too much on physicians for nutritional advice -- many medical doctors out there have little to no training when it comes to nutrition. Drs. McDougall and Esselstyn were two doctors, for example, who only learned about nutrition from seeing how diet affected their patients.

Very good. Now we're getting

Very good. Now we're getting somewhere.

That's fantastic that you have found what foods to eat and those to avoid to make you feel good. We must all make it our life's work to take care of our health. Because the MDs are not good for it and only the individual can sort out what one's body is telling him.

But a couple of points.

1. Just because that diet is good for you, it does not mean it will be good for everyone else.

2. Just because that diet is good for you, it does not validate the conclusions that many jump to from the China study.

"Be careful about relying too much on physicians for nutritional advice -- many medical doctors out there have little to no training when it comes to nutrition."

That is very true. And it's why I put the most stock in naturopathic doctors, nutritionists and people like nutritional pharmacist Ben Fuchs. Pharmacists learn much more about nutrition than MDs and Fuchs is extremely knowledgeable in that area and also in regards to the digestive system.

I know nothing about Esselstyn, but do know about McDougall and I would put him squarely in the "MDs who know a little about nutrition are the most dangerous of all" category. I have watched McDougall's DVDs and vids online. From what I know, as well meaning as he may be, he is dangerous. Telling people to dry fry potatoes to make hash browns in teflon skillets is wrong on several levels. Yes oils can be very bad and fried foods as well, but super heating teflon releases toxic gasses in the air and in the food. Also, super heating carbohydrates creates compounds that are toxic, causing free radical damage.

How foods are prepared makes a huge difference. Anything, including bread, potatoes, meat, dairy etc. can be rendered toxic by the method it is prepared.

Also, many parts of the body, including the brain need cholesterol. Many feel it should be considered an essential nutrient. Vegans tend to be deficient in cholesterol and many other nutrients that are necessary for proper brain function. I don't know but I believe that this is the reason that many long term vegans have that "lights are on but no one's home" look about them.

Add to that that there is a difference in losing weight by losing fat and losing weight by losing muscle mass. With exceptions, many vegans and vegetarians seem to be barely muscular enough to hold themselves up.

I could go on. But that's plenty. ;-)

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Thanks but one point

Have you ever heard of the Gladiators being called the "Barley Men" (historical records)? They were vegans who lived on barley and the historical record of their being called the "Barley Men" was confirmed by archeological findings. They were, arguably, the strongest men in the world.

The Roman soldiers abstained from meat before battles. That's also confirmed by history.

Not to mention the fact that Daniel in the Bible ate nothing but vegetables and got stronger as a result.

Muscle from animal protein is another myth, according to the research and history.

And if you've never heard of Esselstyn, here's his son, another vegan. He looks fantastic:

Sugar is a scapegoat?

Slurp up on that corn syrup baby, it's raising your IQ by the minute!

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I asked you to please...

...provide any backup to your statement that carbs and sugar cause cancer. Oh, well...

How about reading up on things written by actual doctors and research scientists who know what they're talking about? I suggest two books to begin with: Dr. Fuhrman's "Eat to Live" and Dr. John McDougall's "The Starch Solution." Notice particularly the chapter in McDougall's book entitled "Salt and Sugar: The Scapegoats of the Western Diet."



I agree that salt is demonized when it is essential. However, there is much data, much of it from your beloved MDs, out there regarding the ills caused by sugar and simple carbs. Do your own research and open your own mind. You are guilty of worshiping sources that tell you what you want to hear and ignoring those that suggest otherwise.

Hint to jump start your research - Look into retired neurosurgeon Dr. Russell Blaylock.

Nutrition & Behavior - Russell Blaylock, M.D.


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You are on the Paleo diet?

Or the Atkins diet, by any chance? Or do you just love meat and cheese, as most people do, including myself?

Watch the video I posted and research for yourself whether what Campbell is saying is true. The low carb diet is a fad and a deadly one at that.

I avoid sugar and grains because they make me ill

No. I am not on any "diet." I avoid sugar and grains because they make me ill. And I go light on beef, pork, chicken, fish and dairy and eat almost 100% organic. No processed meats, even organic, because of additives and no eggs because I'm allergic.

I know that what you're peddling is toxic, and apparently so do many others.

Why don't you watch this, and learn from a world renowned neurosurgeon.

Nutrition & Behavior - Russell Blaylock, M.D.


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Fine. When it comes to sugar, too much is bad for you, as everyone knows, even us laymen! Personally, I've never liked sugar much anyway.

But if you really want to know what animal products do to the body, then it's the cardiac surgeons and oncologists who've had amazing success at treating patients with plant-/grain-based diets that should be listened to, men such as the famous cardiac surgeon Dr. Caldwell Esselystyn:


Listen to Ben


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Meat - Only choose lean,

Meat - Only choose lean, naturally fed, drug free. If you shoot it yourself, even better!

Milk - Goat is better than cow, but if you can get raw cow milk then that's good too. Fermented milk (e.g., cheese) is best! ANYTHING fermented is best!

We are meat eaters. Homo Sapiens ran animals down over long distances to get their brain building protein fix. Meat protein made our brains BIG, something beans could not do, so thank an animal when you see it.

We are a cancerous and sick society because of sugar and her derivatives. Cancer feeds off the beast.

Moreover, most "civilized" people have stopped running or doing anything that makes them sweat (sex doesn't cut it).

So, in summary, eat clean, drop the sugar, and get to sweating or... head to an early grave!

Wild game on GM crops.

Even for those of us who still hunt for food, there is no guarantee that the animal is "pure".

Think about how much GM corn the average deer or turkey eats. Around here that is the staple crop.

BTW, I eat a strict plant based diet, been on it for 5 months and haven't felt this good with so much energy and enthusiasm for life in years. It will affect your mind as well as your body, give it a try if you can. Include as many organic products as you can find or afford, the hidden GMOs are a killer.

If you'll watch the video...

...and see the actual unbiased research results, I guarantee you wouldn't want meat or milk ever again.

By the way, man was vegan until the time of Noah, according to the Bible, which I believe. The animal-based paleo (caveman) theory has been debunked by archeology anyway.

Debunked????? If anything it

Debunked????? If anything it has been the opposite.


We are hunters, meats eaters, runners....

Yes, debunked.

The archaelogical findings, examining teeth and hair, debunk the paleo hunter/gatherer with emphasis on hunter theory that's making quite a bit of money in spreading these days:

"The stable carbon and nitrogen isotope values for the hair of the 5200 year-old Ice Man indicates a primarily vegetarian diet, in agreement with his dental wear pattern":


"Microfossils in calculus demonstrate consumption of plants and cooked foods in Neanderthal diets":


I just love how archaeology keeps verifying the accuracy of the Bible.