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Meat and Dairy Cause Cancer (T. Colin Campbell)

Submitted by dinahtab on Sun, 01/27/2013 - 09:52
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Alarming speech by Dr. Campbell (the China Study), who actually grew up on a dairy farm himself but became a vegan after seeing the results from his own research: animal products and their link to cancer.

A practically lone voice crying in the wilderness, it seems, considering the popularity of the low carb diets and the high consumption of animal products in general. We (and I include myself as a cheese lover) only want to hear what we want to hear, but the truth always comes out sooner or later.

http://youtu.be/wcvC-hErx1g


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correlation != causation

Submitted by js290 on Thu, 04/04/2013 - 13:35.

Most people are aware of the connections between red and processed meats and cancer – that there is convincing evidence that these dangerous foods are a cause of colon cancer

But, if you're going to bring up associations:

Carbohydrates and colorectal cancer risk among Chinese in North America

These data indicate that increased eCarb (non-fiber carb) and total carbohydrate consumption are both associated with increased risk of colorectal cancer in both sexes, and that among women, relative risk appears greatest for the right colon, whereas among men, relative risk appears greatest for the rectum.

More sugar/cancer links: http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/2013/03/28/sugars-and...


http://youtu.be/y1RXvBveht0

information

Submitted by davyC on Fri, 04/05/2013 - 08:45.

Dr. Joel Fuhrman, who is blinded by dietary dogma of his own (low fat vegetarian, dumb, dumb, dumb), at least gives a good critique of low carb diet myths in Eat to Live:

“So, it is certainly true – as the advocates of animal-food-rich diets, such as Atkins, Heller, Sears, and other proclaim – carbohydrates drive up insulin levels temporarily. These writers, however, have not presented the data in accurate fashion. A diet revolving around unrefined carbohydrates (fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and legumes) will not raise blood sugars or insulin levels. Studies have shown that such a diet can reduce fasting insulin levels 30-40 percent in just three weeks. Obviously, a low-fat diet that is high in refined sugars and refined carbohydrates and low in fiber is not a healthy diet. To lump refined and unrefined carbohydrates together is inaccurate and misleading.”
-Dr Fuhrman

Dangers and Myths of Low Carb Diet Plans
http://180degreehealth.com/2011/09/dangers-and-myths-of-low-...

Fuhrman interviews Greger
http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/interviews-features-dr-...

Sugar, coated with myths
http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2006nl/sept/sugar.htm

http://youtu.be/hjsyApLtHW8

Submitted by js290 on Sat, 04/06/2013 - 23:50.


http://youtu.be/hjsyApLtHW8

Excellent video. All should watch it.

Submitted by Musicians and H... on Wed, 04/10/2013 - 15:26.

Excellent video. All should watch it.

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cabbage or CABG?

Submitted by davyC on Sun, 04/07/2013 - 08:13.

http://www.drmcdougall.com/med_hot_heartdisease.html

An expected part of aging in Western societies is to have the arteries feeding your heart, brain, legs, and penis close down by atherosclerosis. Yet these problems are almost never found in populations of people who follow a diet low in animal-derived and processed foods, such as those living in rural Asia, Africa, and Central and South America. The matter that clogs the arteries is living tissue (not concrete) and therefore, can heal given the right environment. To clean up your arteries (reverse atherosclerosis), a very low-fat, no-cholesterol diet must be followed strictly. Immediate benefits, such as relief of chest pains (angina) and tolerance for more exercise, are seen within days. Heart surgery fails to prolong life in the vast majority of people and is fraught with serious side effects, including permanent brain damage – don't go this route unless you have no other choice.

Processed foods, plant oils, fried foods

Submitted by Musicians and H... on Wed, 04/10/2013 - 14:59.

Processed foods, plant oils, fried foods, sugar and grains and meats cooked too well done cause all of the issues you mentioned. Properly raised and cooked meat, and dietary cholesterol are not the causes.

McDougall is a total train wreck.

Watch this.

iHealthTube.com - Statin Drugs Are Mass Murder

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name calling

Submitted by davyC on Wed, 04/10/2013 - 16:10.

is probably not the best way to start a discussion. it seems mcdougall mostly agrees with your man but sounds more knowledgeable on the subject.
http://drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/may/statins.htm

i know a couple who were very unhealthy, overweight and always going to the doctors. after attending a mcdougall seminar they decided they wanted to change. they followed his program and after a year i wouldn't have known it was the same two people, trim, tan, active and off all their meds. i'm sure they're not alone. why belittle someone who obviously has helped people just because it doesn't appeal to you?

i certainly agree that processed foods and fried foods are no good, as is overcooking, and i'd imagine most health minded folks would agree.

Also, it's not that McDougall "doesn't appeal" to me

Submitted by Musicians and H... on Wed, 04/10/2013 - 16:41.

Also, it's not that McDougall "doesn't appeal" to me. He has an abysmal understanding of cholesterol and gluten intolerance, among many other things. While some of what he says is good stuff, it is more than negated by the things where he's dead wrong.

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I'm just being honest.

Submitted by Musicians and H... on Wed, 04/10/2013 - 16:28.

McDougall is a train wreck, and he doesn't look healthy. And he certainly is not more knowledgeable than Dr. Coldwell. Does Dr. Coldwell sound less knowledgeable to you because he's German, and English is his second language? If so, that is a shame.

I know a couple who have been doing McDougall for a long time. They look awful. They are thin, I'll grant that but they seem to be physically and mentally unhealthy. I've watched a couple of McDougall DVDs and get emails from him forwarded to me. Some of what he preaches is right on, some of it is not and some of it is toxic. Telling people to super-heat carbohydrates (potatoes in one case) in a teflon skillet is a recipe for disaster. Super-heating carbohydrates creates compounds that are toxic and super-heating the teflon skillet releases toxic compounds as well. This type of thing is why I say he's a train wreck. He knows just enough to be dangerous.

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it had nothing to do with english

Submitted by davyC on Wed, 04/10/2013 - 16:43.

being his second language. maybe the couple you know are cheating and just eating vegan junk food, many do. mcdougall i believe was very unhealthy as a boy, overweight. i think he even had a heart attack and then changed his life with changing his eating, and would probably be dead had he not. i don't know about the teflon biz, but i found this:
http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2006nl/april/teflon.htm

personally i don't follow any one school but i try and learn from a variety
of nutritionists and i believe a lot of it is common sense.

"personally i don't follow..."

Submitted by Musicians and H... on Wed, 04/10/2013 - 17:02.

"personally i don't follow any one school but i try and learn from a variety of nutritionists and i believe a lot of it is common sense."

Same here.

That couple swears up and down that they stick with the McDougall diet strictly. Who knows. McDougall himself looks gray and unhealthy to me.

See, here's another thing. Everyone benefits from cleaning up their diet, as have I. What's different is what "cleaning up" means to different people. McDougall got rid of the vegetable oils, processed foods, etc. and got healthier. I think most all agree that lots of veggies in the diet is a good idea. He also got rid of meat and dairy, so he wrongly thinks that high carb is good and meat and dairy are bad. Many more people seem to be dairy intolerant than they think, so that may very well be a good thing for many to stay away from. I do. But he also wrongly blames the meat, chicken, fish etc. Again, one must understand the difference in steroid and antibiotic laden crap meat, processed junk meat, and organic, naturally raised and properly cooked meat. That's where he takes another wrong left turn.

Also, people are having more and more issues with candida overgrowth due to antibiotic use, steroids, birth control pills and a high sugar and...wait for it...high carbohydrate diet. And with more and more people becoming gluten intolerant, due to many issues but especially due to the hybridized, dwarf wheat strain that all of North America switched to in the 1980s, his high carb, high grain diet is a further recipe for disaster.

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i think we agree

Submitted by davyC on Wed, 04/10/2013 - 17:28.

that nobody has all the answers. you may find this interesting.
http://experiencelife.com/article/paleo-vs-vegan/

That was really good.

Submitted by Musicians and H... on Wed, 04/10/2013 - 22:24.

That was really good. And maybe I missed something, but McDougall seemed kind of alone on the high carb, grains are great aspect. The other vegans were not hot on grains. Someone in there mentioned the current dwarf strain of wheat being bad news. McDougall must kind of be in denial regarding that wheat strain, and modern corn not being anything like what the ancient Mayans and Aztecs ate etc.

Everyone agrees that processed stuff of all kinds is bad. The Paleo folks were all against factory farm meats and pro wild game and fish and properly raised meats.

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I'll check it out. Check

Submitted by Musicians and H... on Wed, 04/10/2013 - 17:53.

I'll check it out.

Check this...

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http://www.npr.org/2011/04/09

Submitted by js290 on Sun, 04/07/2013 - 21:53.

http://www.npr.org/2011/04/09/135269340/egyptian-mummies-dia...

Ancient Egyptians did have access to meat, though Thomas says their diet consisted mostly of grains, fruits and vegetables.

The heart prefers fat as fuel.

β-HYDROXYBUTYRATE: THE MOST EFFICIENT FUEL Veech and colleagues discovered that administering β-hydroxybutyrate to the perfused rat heart in place of glucose increased work output but decreased oxygen consumption (35).

Post-Meal Blood Sugar and A1c Predict Cardiovascular Events and Deaths

The better fuel... a little biochem

Submitted by js290 on Mon, 04/08/2013 - 13:11.

Oh my. Nice fatty acids!

Submitted by Musicians and H... on Wed, 04/10/2013 - 15:16.

;-)

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actually

Submitted by davyC on Fri, 04/05/2013 - 09:15.

i think greger confuses fuhrman with mcdougall since it is mcdougall not fuhrman who is down on nuts and seeds; seeds are even part of fuhrman's G-Bombs recommendation of slow burning micro-nutrients: greens,beans,onions, mushrooms, berries & seeds.

Not the meat and dairy products

Submitted by beeman on Tue, 04/02/2013 - 13:09.

its how it was raised, like a concentration camp, and having the animal eating poisonous crops.

We banned DDT many years ago and now roundup is more deadly but it is still being used. No wonder Monsanto needed immunity from Congress.

http://www.dailypaul.com/280440/monsantos-roundup-more-deadl...

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Broad Generalization

Submitted by IMissLiberty on Tue, 04/02/2013 - 09:25.

I'm on the blood type diet, and being blood type B, I do just fine digesting milk. One man's meat is another man's poison.

O's and A's would do better to avoid cow's milk. Stick to goat and sheep's milk. A's don't handle red meat very well, while O's lose muscle and get sick not having it.

This is another reason I don't want Congress governming what I eat. As a B, I'm in the minority.

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that be

Submitted by gptnomoney on Sat, 03/30/2013 - 15:31.

Dr. Potatohead

So be it

Submitted by Vanmind on Sat, 03/30/2013 - 15:26.

Anyone else want a cheeseburger?

Cheeseburger, cheeseburger, cheeseburger.

No coke, pepsi.

Big difference from the meat at the grocery store

Submitted by beeman on Mon, 03/04/2013 - 23:47.

and grass feed beef. The store beef were fed loads of GMO crops, given lots of antibiotics to keep them from dying before slaughter. The poor cow has to live it whole life walking in its own manure. No animal can survive in a feed lot for more than two years they must slaughter them before 3 years of age.

If you continually eat sick animals your going to become as sick as they were. the ruminant was never intended to eat lots of grain. There is a good documentary out called franken beef that explains why they die off.

If you buy two steaks one from a grass fed beef the other from a fed lot, you will understand what is wrong. the fat content in the fed lot beef has a cake texture to it, I think it sticks to the inside of your mouth. The grass fed is a little tougher, has a slight game flavor but the fat is more translucent. It won't plug the arteries like the feed lot beef, can actually lower cholesterol.

I think we humans being a higher thinking beings need to start thinking of how our food was raised or treated humanly. We should all think about not buying from companies that house animals like concentration camps.

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The Ron Paul Diet

Submitted by davyC on Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:09.

as i recall he ate light on the road, mostly salads and soup. he made sure he got exercise every day. he said he avoided white things. his special meal back home was shrimp & rice, and his guilty pleasure which he said he never felt guilty about was chocolate chip cookies.

Ron Paul grew up on a dairy farm

Submitted by Thimbleberry on Sat, 03/30/2013 - 23:15.

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