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Meat and Dairy Cause Cancer (T. Colin Campbell)

Alarming speech by Dr. Campbell (the China Study), who actually grew up on a dairy farm himself but became a vegan after seeing the results from his own research: animal products and their link to cancer.

A practically lone voice crying in the wilderness, it seems, considering the popularity of the low carb diets and the high consumption of animal products in general. We (and I include myself as a cheese lover) only want to hear what we want to hear, but the truth always comes out sooner or later.

http://youtu.be/wcvC-hErx1g



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you didn't answer my question

so i did my own research. ALL Jobs ate was fruit!!
nutrition is one of the 8 principles of good health, and so is
moderation, or if you prefer balance.

so i did my own research. ALL

so i did my own research. ALL Jobs ate was fruit!!
nutrition is one of the 8 principles of good health, and so is
moderation, or if you prefer balance.

Hmm... so from Steve Jobs' example, moderating fruit intake must be very difficult, if not downright addicting. It would not be unreasonable to ask whether fruit provides any essential nutrients above and beyond what can be obtained from other sources that may be more easily and naturally moderated?

he like kutcher chose to

ate a fruitarian diet. sounds crazy to me why a person would only eat one thing simply for denying all the other wonderful, healthy foods available. i'm big on G-BOMBS
greens, beans, onions, mushrooms, berries and seeds.
and here's why.
http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/gbombs.aspx

Oh snap!

Oh snap!

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Chris beat cancer

"I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan, but a lot of my meals are."
http://www.chrisbeatcancer.com/what-i-eat-now-post-cancer/

Epithelial cell cancers (breast, prostate, colon):

Before I got [colon] cancer I ate whatever I wanted, which was a lot of processed and cooked food...

You conveniently left out these non-vegan, high fat parts:

Raw Organic Almond Butter... raw organic cow or goats milk ... Raw Cheese...Clean meat is free-range organic or wild caught. i.e. free-range chicken, organic pasture-raised eggs, grass-fed beef, wild game, and wild-caught sockeye salmon from the Copper River in Alaska. ... I only eat meat if I know where it comes from...


Why We All Don't Get Cancer -- Sloan-Kettering

i conveniently posted the link

for you and others to read ALL of the information as well as a really wonderful story.. jeesh, get the chip off your shoulder.

about chris:
http://www.chrisbeatcancer.com/about/

Differential utilization of

Differential utilization of ketone bodies by neurons and glioma cell lines: a rationale for ketogenic diet as experimental glioma therapy

Conclusion

In summary, glioma cells are incapable of compensating for glucose restriction by metabolizing ketone bodies in vitro, suggesting a potential disadvantage of tumor cells compared to normal cells under a carbohydrate-restricted ketogenic diet. Further investigations are necessary to identify co-treatment modalities, e.g. glycolysis inhibitors or antiangiogenic agents that efficiently target non-oxidative pathways.

Eat meat, drink milk, smoke

Eat meat, drink milk, smoke pot (vaporizor), and stay cancer-free, everyone.

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A lack of oxygen on a

A lack of oxygen on a cellular level causes normal cells to adapt to an environment where energy creation must continue without ample supply of oxygen to survive. I am coming to look at it as a rejection at a cellular level of the macroorganic environment in order to continue cellular survival.

How that oxygen depletion occurs is the real question, and toxins are quite possibly a key factor in that equation. Meat and Dairy tend to amplify those toxins up the food chain. However contemporary agricultural practices have not exempted vegetables and veg derived products. Even the water we drink in municipality supplied sources is suspect as a vector for contamination.

Additionally, one can cite the complete degradation of soil and water mineral quality again via modern agricultural and decontamination practices. Elements like magnesium, potassium and zinc are commonly deficient in the modern diet.

To eradicate the development of cancer would likely require a complete disavowal of our entire food production model. Even this would not be enough as there are other environmental factors to consider.

The reality is cancer is here to stay. if there were a cheap fix or prevention method, it would never be marketable. Until an exclusion method is developed to target only cancerous cells, the disease will not dissipate. And once again we will be able to praise modern pharma in all of their genius and glory when the answer was likely in front of us in a much simpler form the whole time.

A lack of oxygen on a

A lack of oxygen on a cellular level causes normal cells to adapt to an environment where energy creation must continue without ample supply of oxygen to survive. I am coming to look at it as a rejection at a cellular level of the macroorganic environment in order to continue cellular survival.

The reality is cancer is here to stay. if there were a cheap fix or prevention method, it would never be marketable. Until an exclusion method is developed to target only cancerous cells, the disease will not dissipate. And once again we will be able to praise modern pharma in all of their genius and glory when the answer was likely in front of us in a much simpler form the whole time.

Targeting insulin inhibition as a metabolic therapy in advanced cancer. Part 2. The hypothesis.

Cholesterol, Statins, The Truth Revealed

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The China Study

I have studied these issues for almost two years now starting with "the China Study." The more I learn about this I've come to believe that we humans, like many animals, are made to ideally live on a whole food plant based diet.

But this issue is very controversial. Meat and dairy is a very significant tradition in our culture. We're taught to equate meat with protein for example. But nature is full of examples of powerfully muscled animals that exclusively live on plants (horses and elephants to name two.) This would indicate that at least there is a possibility that the same hods true for us.

My own study started with questioning the premise that we humans must or should eat meat to achieve ideal health. "The China Study" opens up the possibility that we can survive and thrive without meat and dairy.

Questioning that premise I embraced a whole foods plant based diet while continuing to study nutrition and the more I learn the more I have come to believe that not only is it possible to live without consuming animal foods, but that a whole foods plant based diet actually promotes health and healing.

The other thing I experienced immediately is that it allowed my relationship to animals to become friendly. Other creatures were no longer a potential meal to me. I felt closer to my horse: Like her, I no longer would eat meat:)

I would encourage anyone to go deeper and study this issue. With our highly prized o p e n mind. Having an open mind means putting on hold for awhile our previous judgement to look at n e w information and then maybe later judge in a new way.

The T. Colin Campbell video doesn't make the full case. It is merely and introduction to further investigation. I did it and eventually it changed my mind.

Your belief is wrong.

Proven so in three sentences.

Prey animals have eyes on the sides of their heads. Predator animals have eyes in the front of their heads. Look in the mirror.

Meat eating isn't just a "tradition" in our culture. It is one of the main causes for our intellectual evolution. Wake up. Do you want to be a sheep or a wolf?

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How about people with eyes in the back of their head?

What about them?

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them be called

MOMS!!!
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Wrong belief

Interesting point about eyes.

Observe that most primates have eyes in the front and they eat very little meat.

The issue of ideal human nutrition is a big issue and we have to dig a lot deeper to get to the truth.

Like other areas of human study we will reach dependable conclusion upon a preponderance of evidence.

"The China Study", although the largest study on nutrition, is but of many studies. It comparable to the study of freedom and politics: many conclusions are possible, but what is right?

The truth is obvious.

Humans would not exist in their present state if they did not eat meat. Our highly advanced brains require massive amounts of energy to function at optimal efficiency, amounts that would be impossible to digest on a purely natural plant based diet that does not include processed foods and nutritional supplements.

Is there a problem with our meat supply? Absolutely. It's filled with hormones, toxic sugars, and chemicals. Does that mean we should avoid meat altogether? No. It means we should seek out meat in its most natural form.

Look at modern tribal peoples. Most tribal diets consist of mostly meat. Some tribes eat a meat to plant ratio of over 90% meat. You have to understand as well that agriculture is a relatively new development. Prior to agriculture, the plants eaten by human beings were acquired by forage. Also, there were no grains, and therefore, high caloric sugars, being eaten. We would not have been able to sustain our bodies and minds without meat.

In fact, our bodies and minds such as they have evolved to be would be very different had we not become omnivores. We would be in a field eating grass right now without a thought of what "ideal human nutrition" might be because we would have to spend the majority of every day eating just to stay alive (as modern grazers do).

Along with our intelligence comes the ability to question our very natures. This leads to a few problems. Our hearts often get in the way of our bodies. Eat as you wish. Modern society allows it. But don't be fooled. You're preaching anti-nutrition. Do you argue with the lion who eats the gazelle? The fox who eats the rabbit? You know, the smart animals?

Dr Natasha Discusses the Real Cause of Heart Disease

http://youtu.be/hjsyApLtHW8

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Problem is, the China Study

Problem is, the China Study is full of holes. The thing was debunked years ago.

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Was a study done on Northern Eskimos?

Their diet is (or use to be) mostly Meat and Fish.

throws the vegan and vegetarian crowd into a tailspin

Yeah the Inuit diet and the lack of health issues with those who follow it, throws the vegan and vegetarian crowd into a tailspin.

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Contentious issue

This is what Dr. Joel Fuhrman says:

"For example, Inuit Greenlanders, who historically have had limited access to fruits and vegetables, have the worst longevity statistics in North America. Research from the past and present shows that they die on the average about 10 years younger and have a higher rate of cancer than the overall Canadian population.

Similar statistics are available for the high meat-consuming Maasai in Kenya. They eat a diet high in wild hunted meats and have the worst life expectancy in the modern world. Life expectancy is 45 years for women and 42 years for men. African researchers report that, historically, Maasai rarely lived beyond age 60. Adult mortality figures on the Kenyan Maasai show that they have a 50% chance of dying before the age of 59.2"

So this issue is also controversial. It is worth it to look deeper. We are trading conclusions here, but many people would change their mind if they studied it closer.

Of course

Inuit who adopt western foods die earlier than traditional Inuit, but even discounting that, they have to deal with a brutal climate, and experience super lulls in vitamin D production in winter. Vitamin D has been shown in many studies to be protective against cancer. Of course, none of that matters a whit. It's all but certain that they're dying 10 years younger because of their meat filled diet.

Then we have the Maasai, who also eat an almost 100% meat/milk diet. Forget that they have no access to modern medicine, live an active and very dangerous hunting lifestyle, very little access (if any) to clean drinking water. They aren't getting heart disease, stroke or cancer, but of course they are dying young because of the meat they're eating. What they're dying of, we don't know. We only know it's caused by all that meat!

In any case, life expectancy also takes into account infant mortality, which is far higher for pre-industrialized cultures of ALL types, not just meat eaters like the Maasai.

You just don't get it do you GreyWyvern?

It's the meat!

(joke)

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Gary Taubes showed several examples

Gary Taubes showed several examples of how various peoples who had never had much starch in their diets. After being introduced to a high starch diet (like places with drouths receiving grain shipments from the US) many of these people almost immediately blew up like balloons, especially the women, and had all sorts of health problems. Often while eating less than 2000 calories per day. So you can be malnourished and way overweight at the same time. This seems to prove that it's where the calories come from that counts and that obesity is not necessarily an issue of gluttony.

Some people, and I am not one of them, seem to be able to handle starches better than others. And some people need to run screaming from starches and pretend they never knew they existed.

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See, this kind of stuff just

See, this kind of stuff just assumes it's the meat in their diets.

As far as the Inuits are concerned, it must be rough living where they are. How many die from freezing to death? How many from drowning while out fishing? How many actually eat the "traditional" Inuit diet? How many eat western junk food crap that's everywhere these days? How many sit indoors and surf the net versus being out fishing and hunting etc.? How many die from acts of violence or disease from poor sanitation?

As far as the Maasai, same thing. And how many die from being eaten by the wild animals they hunt? It might just be a rough place to live.

My point is that I agree that we must look much deeper. Many of these people, including Dr. McDougall, take things about the peoples they cite out of context.

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Philly Cheesesteak disagrees...

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