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Meat and Dairy Cause Cancer (T. Colin Campbell)

Alarming speech by Dr. Campbell (the China Study), who actually grew up on a dairy farm himself but became a vegan after seeing the results from his own research: animal products and their link to cancer.

A practically lone voice crying in the wilderness, it seems, considering the popularity of the low carb diets and the high consumption of animal products in general. We (and I include myself as a cheese lover) only want to hear what we want to hear, but the truth always comes out sooner or later.

http://youtu.be/wcvC-hErx1g




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The China Study

I have studied these issues for almost two years now starting with "the China Study." The more I learn about this I've come to believe that we humans, like many animals, are made to ideally live on a whole food plant based diet.

But this issue is very controversial. Meat and dairy is a very significant tradition in our culture. We're taught to equate meat with protein for example. But nature is full of examples of powerfully muscled animals that exclusively live on plants (horses and elephants to name two.) This would indicate that at least there is a possibility that the same hods true for us.

My own study started with questioning the premise that we humans must or should eat meat to achieve ideal health. "The China Study" opens up the possibility that we can survive and thrive without meat and dairy.

Questioning that premise I embraced a whole foods plant based diet while continuing to study nutrition and the more I learn the more I have come to believe that not only is it possible to live without consuming animal foods, but that a whole foods plant based diet actually promotes health and healing.

The other thing I experienced immediately is that it allowed my relationship to animals to become friendly. Other creatures were no longer a potential meal to me. I felt closer to my horse: Like her, I no longer would eat meat:)

I would encourage anyone to go deeper and study this issue. With our highly prized o p e n mind. Having an open mind means putting on hold for awhile our previous judgement to look at n e w information and then maybe later judge in a new way.

The T. Colin Campbell video doesn't make the full case. It is merely and introduction to further investigation. I did it and eventually it changed my mind.

Your belief is wrong.

Proven so in three sentences.

Prey animals have eyes on the sides of their heads. Predator animals have eyes in the front of their heads. Look in the mirror.

Meat eating isn't just a "tradition" in our culture. It is one of the main causes for our intellectual evolution. Wake up. Do you want to be a sheep or a wolf?

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How about people with eyes in the back of their head?

What about them?

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.
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them be called

MOMS!!!
deacon

setting your expectations to high,can cause depressiuon

Wrong belief

Interesting point about eyes.

Observe that most primates have eyes in the front and they eat very little meat.

The issue of ideal human nutrition is a big issue and we have to dig a lot deeper to get to the truth.

Like other areas of human study we will reach dependable conclusion upon a preponderance of evidence.

"The China Study", although the largest study on nutrition, is but of many studies. It comparable to the study of freedom and politics: many conclusions are possible, but what is right?

The truth is obvious.

Humans would not exist in their present state if they did not eat meat. Our highly advanced brains require massive amounts of energy to function at optimal efficiency, amounts that would be impossible to digest on a purely natural plant based diet that does not include processed foods and nutritional supplements.

Is there a problem with our meat supply? Absolutely. It's filled with hormones, toxic sugars, and chemicals. Does that mean we should avoid meat altogether? No. It means we should seek out meat in its most natural form.

Look at modern tribal peoples. Most tribal diets consist of mostly meat. Some tribes eat a meat to plant ratio of over 90% meat. You have to understand as well that agriculture is a relatively new development. Prior to agriculture, the plants eaten by human beings were acquired by forage. Also, there were no grains, and therefore, high caloric sugars, being eaten. We would not have been able to sustain our bodies and minds without meat.

In fact, our bodies and minds such as they have evolved to be would be very different had we not become omnivores. We would be in a field eating grass right now without a thought of what "ideal human nutrition" might be because we would have to spend the majority of every day eating just to stay alive (as modern grazers do).

Along with our intelligence comes the ability to question our very natures. This leads to a few problems. Our hearts often get in the way of our bodies. Eat as you wish. Modern society allows it. But don't be fooled. You're preaching anti-nutrition. Do you argue with the lion who eats the gazelle? The fox who eats the rabbit? You know, the smart animals?

Dr Natasha Discusses the Real Cause of Heart Disease

http://youtu.be/hjsyApLtHW8

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Problem is, the China Study

Problem is, the China Study is full of holes. The thing was debunked years ago.

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Was a study done on Northern Eskimos?

Their diet is (or use to be) mostly Meat and Fish.

throws the vegan and vegetarian crowd into a tailspin

Yeah the Inuit diet and the lack of health issues with those who follow it, throws the vegan and vegetarian crowd into a tailspin.

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Contentious issue

This is what Dr. Joel Fuhrman says:

"For example, Inuit Greenlanders, who historically have had limited access to fruits and vegetables, have the worst longevity statistics in North America. Research from the past and present shows that they die on the average about 10 years younger and have a higher rate of cancer than the overall Canadian population.

Similar statistics are available for the high meat-consuming Maasai in Kenya. They eat a diet high in wild hunted meats and have the worst life expectancy in the modern world. Life expectancy is 45 years for women and 42 years for men. African researchers report that, historically, Maasai rarely lived beyond age 60. Adult mortality figures on the Kenyan Maasai show that they have a 50% chance of dying before the age of 59.2"

So this issue is also controversial. It is worth it to look deeper. We are trading conclusions here, but many people would change their mind if they studied it closer.

Of course

Inuit who adopt western foods die earlier than traditional Inuit, but even discounting that, they have to deal with a brutal climate, and experience super lulls in vitamin D production in winter. Vitamin D has been shown in many studies to be protective against cancer. Of course, none of that matters a whit. It's all but certain that they're dying 10 years younger because of their meat filled diet.

Then we have the Maasai, who also eat an almost 100% meat/milk diet. Forget that they have no access to modern medicine, live an active and very dangerous hunting lifestyle, very little access (if any) to clean drinking water. They aren't getting heart disease, stroke or cancer, but of course they are dying young because of the meat they're eating. What they're dying of, we don't know. We only know it's caused by all that meat!

In any case, life expectancy also takes into account infant mortality, which is far higher for pre-industrialized cultures of ALL types, not just meat eaters like the Maasai.

You just don't get it do you GreyWyvern?

It's the meat!

(joke)

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Gary Taubes showed several examples

Gary Taubes showed several examples of how various peoples who had never had much starch in their diets. After being introduced to a high starch diet (like places with drouths receiving grain shipments from the US) many of these people almost immediately blew up like balloons, especially the women, and had all sorts of health problems. Often while eating less than 2000 calories per day. So you can be malnourished and way overweight at the same time. This seems to prove that it's where the calories come from that counts and that obesity is not necessarily an issue of gluttony.

Some people, and I am not one of them, seem to be able to handle starches better than others. And some people need to run screaming from starches and pretend they never knew they existed.

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See, this kind of stuff just

See, this kind of stuff just assumes it's the meat in their diets.

As far as the Inuits are concerned, it must be rough living where they are. How many die from freezing to death? How many from drowning while out fishing? How many actually eat the "traditional" Inuit diet? How many eat western junk food crap that's everywhere these days? How many sit indoors and surf the net versus being out fishing and hunting etc.? How many die from acts of violence or disease from poor sanitation?

As far as the Maasai, same thing. And how many die from being eaten by the wild animals they hunt? It might just be a rough place to live.

My point is that I agree that we must look much deeper. Many of these people, including Dr. McDougall, take things about the peoples they cite out of context.

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Mmmmm. Cancer on a bun.

;-)

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

Mmm...

bun cancer.

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Mmmm... Cancer, hold the bun.

Mmmm... Cancer, hold the bun. The bun is the cancer. :-P Rorschach test...

Compound in red meat, energy drinks linked to heart disease

Compound in red meat, energy drinks linked to heart disease in Cleveland Clinic research

http://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2013/04/compoun...

Nice summary

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Meat and dairy are major

Meat and dairy are major sources of protein and cholesterol.

Proteins are literally the, "building blocks of life." Meats and cheeses are packed with protein. Your brain is composed mostly out of cholesterol! (Sea) salt is vital for getting essential minerals, and is also responsible for proper neuron (brain and nervous system) conductivity.

But all we hear is how people shouldn't eat too much red meat, cholesterol is bad, eggs are bad, and salt is bad. Why? Because they want to either kill you, or get you hooked on some medication.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

The Gladiators were vegan.

Known at the time as the "Barley Men." Archeological evidence backs up the historical writings about them:
http://archive.archaeology.org/0811/abstracts/gladiator.html

The only thing that meat will give you is heart disease and cancer, not to mention suffering and untimely death for animals.

Get bee pollen

It covered your enzymes ...

Proteins are over rated we don't need that much protein and you sure as hell don't need to get it from meat. If that's your position then please explain Silverback Gorillas to me. One of the most muscular and powerful beasts on this planet and oh....they just happen to be vegetarian.

It's like eating a cow to get protein . How does the cow get its protein? It doesn't , it eats grass . Do you know why?

Because its not about the protein at all, it's about the convergence to branch chain amino acids. That's why people eat protein. You can get all the aminos you need from plants, so why not just cut out the middle man and skip the cow.....eat the stuff you really need.

Protein is over rated

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"explain silver backs to me?"

Okay I will -- but first you explain their gut-flora and bacterium profile..........a human would die if you tried a fecal transplant with a wild primate; they are way way to robust for us (our system).

Gorilla's eat the living hell out of driver ants -- driver ants eat meat.

Gorillas also eat other insects and small invertibrates.

So there -- that explains them #1 their gut flora / bacterial profile can break down tree husks, hard fibers, and pith AND #2 they eat meat (Directly and Indirectly).

Chimpanzees - even more so (including Bonobos -- where females lead the hunt).

Same is true for Organutans.

So there! Explained -- Gorillas are NOT vegetarians, at all. In the same way the chinese (china study) all ate some amount of meat and as their wealth grows they eat more of it.

So longevity might be connected to meat eating but not an absence of it but the "right amount" and the "right kind"

Chris Kresser's articles on red meat

http://chriskresser.com/red-meat-it-does-a-body-good

http://chriskresser.com/does-red-meat-cause-inflammation

http://chriskresser.com/why-grass-fed-trumps-grain-fed

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