-57 votes

Meat and Dairy Cause Cancer (T. Colin Campbell)

Alarming speech by Dr. Campbell (the China Study), who actually grew up on a dairy farm himself but became a vegan after seeing the results from his own research: animal products and their link to cancer.

A practically lone voice crying in the wilderness, it seems, considering the popularity of the low carb diets and the high consumption of animal products in general. We (and I include myself as a cheese lover) only want to hear what we want to hear, but the truth always comes out sooner or later.


Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.

yeah right

Yes, meat that has been poisoned with anti-biotics and hormones, and dairy same deal.

Simple carbs cause all the cancer, diabetes, heart-disease. Cancer is a sugar disorder... so is alcoholism.. a sugar addiction... eliminate simple sugars and cancer dies.

It's called the paleo diet, so stop thinking like a caveman and start eating like one.


You really bought into that Paleo diet fad. There's a lot of money to be made in telling people what they want to hear, without science or archeological evidence to back it up.

Man was vegan until the time of Noah, according to the Bible.

Don't believe the Bible? The famous "Ice Man" was vegetarian.

The Paleo type of eating is not a fad.

The Paleo type of eating is not a fad. The high carb diet is a fad that's waning because people are wising up.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

With bad teeth...

Don't believe the Bible? The famous "Ice Man" was vegetarian.


"the Iceman suffered from tooth decay due to his eating more and more starchy foods such as bread and cereal porridge which were consumed more commonly in the Neolithic period because of the rise of agriculture"

That's why...

...today we have dentists.

But it figures -- archeology disproves the paleo diet theory about ancient man, and the paleo gurus come up with another lame excuse to sell their money-making fad.

...today we have dentists.

...today we have dentists. But it figures -- archeology disproves the paleo diet theory about ancient man, and the paleo gurus come up with another lame excuse to sell their money-making fad.

God created man to need dentists?
Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, Weston A Price (1939)

For nearly 10 years, Weston Price and his wife traveled around the world in search of the secret to health. Instead of looking at people afflicted with disease symptoms, this highly-respected dentist and dental researcher chose to focus on healthy individuals, and challenged himself to understand how they achieved such amazing health. Dr. Price traveled to hundreds of cities in a total of 14 different countries in his search to find healthy people. He investigated some of the most remote areas in the world. He observed perfect dental arches, minimal tooth decay, high immunity to tuberculosis and overall excellent health in those groups of people who ate their indigenous foods. He found when these people were introduced to modernized foods, such as white flour, white sugar, refined vegetable oils and canned goods, signs of degeneration quickly became quite evident. Dental caries, deformed jaw structures, crooked teeth, arthritis and a low immunity to tuberculosis became rampant amongst them. Dr. Price documented this ancestral wisdom including hundreds of photos in his book, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration.

What were you saying about archaeology disproving hunter-gatherer diets? Prehistoric Plaque and the Gentrification of Europe’s Mouth

The hunter-gatherers had a diverse array of bacteria including several groups that are associated with good health. That fits with the relative absence of tooth decay or gum disease among modern or prehistoric hunter-gatherers. “They were at the end of a long period of happy co-evolution between us and oral bacteria,” says Cooper.

Tell you what.

You throw away your toothbrush and just eat meat and vegetables. Just do strictly Paleo or Atkins. Eat all the meat and eggs you want but no grains, no starch of any kind, no sugar.

Then come back in about a year's time to give us an update on your teeth, if you still have them. Okay?

Why are you worried about my

Why are you worried about my teeth? More propaganda for your racket? I'm not going to buy any of your toothbrushes.

Basically you're admitting that that diet is bad for the teeth

"That's why today we have dentists"


Basically you're admitting that that diet is bad for the teeth (it's bad for everything actually) but saying that's ok becuase you can take your decaying mouth to a dentist? That's cracked.

We have doctors too, but you're better off keeping yourself healthy so you need neither.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

Basically I'm admitting...

...that the paleo diet is bad for your health -- namely, the link between meat/dairy and cancer and heart disease. Personally, I'd rather have bad teeth than cancer or heart disease. Wouldn't you?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to conclude that virtually everybody back then, no doubt, had bad teeth no matter what they ate. That's why toothbrushes were invented.

It doesn't take a rocket

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to conclude that virtually everybody back then, no doubt, had bad teeth no matter what they ate. That's why toothbrushes were invented.

Only someone connected to the dental cartel and toothbrush racket would make such a statement. You're obviously on the take...


Not on the take...

...though it would be nice if I were. I hear there's a lot of money in that racket.

I do have a toothbrush, though. Do you?

Everybody didn't have bad teeth

Wrong. Everybody didn't have bad teeth. Those who ate diets high in grains and starches had bad teeth, osteoporosis, arthritis etc. Those who were hunter/gatherers tended to not have those diseases and be larger in stature. Grains and sugars cause those diseases as well has many mental issues.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to conclude that all of the BS linking meat to cancer and and heart disease is complete and total bunk.

You are foolishly buying into a bunch of nonsense including revisionist ancient history.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

Simple carbs cause all the

Simple carbs cause all the cancer, diabetes, heart-disease. Cancer is a sugar disorder... so is alcoholism.. a sugar addiction... eliminate simple sugars and cancer dies.

Actually, you can probably safely say that all chronic diseases of civilization are various manifestations of poor glucose control or glucose intolerance.

I think there are studies that show most alcoholics are hypoglycemic. A high fat diet does a better job of keeping blood sugar levels stable.

Holey Cow js290

Thanks for that. We have come a long way. From an 8 hour hunt to 1 minute at the fast food window. Holey Cow!

Wait a minute. It's the same time just another continent plus a few hours (maybe 15).

I think he should have stayed home and dug up some tubers and had them with grass. Holey Cow!

Well I did the vegetarian thing for 20 years and it did not work for me. However I hear of folks doing well. I think I have learned that food is certainly important and we are at risk of toxins we ingest such as lead, mercury, cadmium, arsenic, plastics, dioxins and junk foods.

It also appears that with high fat, moderate protein and low carbs I have chelated much of those toxins from my body. That is if my pee and poop are any indication.

My current study is of possible iodine deficiency in me and many of my fellow citizens.

Just think of that life that hunter has. No video, no computer, no boss, no government, no taxes, no traffic, no NSA and the whole camp is probably like Ron Paul; Encourage self sufficiency, help those in need and take care of your family.

Holey Cow!


Dr. Fuhrman

Most people are aware of the connections between red and processed meats and cancer – that there is convincing evidence that these dangerous foods are a cause of colon cancer.1 In addition, cooking any meat at high temperatures (for example, grilled or fried chicken) forms carcinogenic compounds such as heterocyclic amines, which contribute to cancer risk.2,3 However, animal foods such as non-fat dairy products, egg whites, and fish are considered healthful by most people. It not yet widely recognized that foods such as these, since they are so high in animal protein, can also contribute to increased cancer risk.
When we consume animal protein, the body increases its production of a hormone called IGF-1, (insulin-like growth factor 1). IGF-1 is one of the body's important growth promoters during fetal and childhood growth, but later in life IGF-1 promotes the aging process. Reduced IGF-1 signaling in adulthood is associated with reduced oxidative stress, decreased inflammation, enhanced insulin sensitivity and longer lifespan.4 In contrast, IGF-1 has been shown to promote the growth, proliferation and spread of cancer cells, and elevated IGF-1 levels are linked to increased risk of several cancers, colon cancer included.5-8 Several observational studies have suggested that high circulating IGF-1 may translate into promotion of tumor growth in the colon. For example, one study in men and one another in women found that those with higher levels of IGF-1 had double the risk of colorectal ca ncers compared to those with lower levels.9,10
Which foods raise IGF-1?
Since the primary dietary factor that determines IGF-1 levels is animal protein, the excessive meat, fowl, seafood, and dairy intake common in our society elevates circulating IGF-1. Refined carbohydrates, like white flour, white rice, and sugars can also raise IGF-1 levels, because they cause rapid increases in insulin levels, leading to increases in IGF-1 signaling. In fact, IGF-1 signaling is thought to be a major factor in the connection between diabetes and cancer.11,12
It is the amino acid distribution of animal protein that sparks IGF-1 production.13 For this reason, isolated soy protein, found in protein powders and meat substitutes, may also be problematic because the protein is unnaturally concentrated and its amino acid profile is very similar to that of animal protein.
How can we keep IGF-1 in a safe range?
Reducing IGF-1 levels by dietary methods is now considered by many scientists to be an effective cancer prevention measure. Minimizing or avoiding animal protein, isolated soy protein and refined carbohydrates can help to keep our IGF-1 levels in a safe range. Green vegetables, beans and other legumes, and seeds are rich in plant protein and they have cancer-preventive, not cancer-promoting properties. For optimal cancer protection, vegetables, beans, fruits, intact grains, nuts and seeds should comprise the vast majority of our calories.
1. Continuous Update Project Interim Report Summary. Food, Nutrition, Physical Activity, and the Prevention of Colorectal Cancer. . World Cancer Research Fund / American Institute for Cancer Research.; 2011.
2. Thomson B: Heterocyclic amine levels in cooked meat and the implication for New Zealanders. Eur J Cancer Prev 1999;8:201-206.
3. Zheng W, Lee S-A: Well-Done Meat Intake, Heterocyclic Amine Exposure, and Cancer Risk. Nutr Cancer 2009;61:437-446.
4. Bartke A: Minireview: role of the growth hormone/insulin-like growth factor system in mammalian aging. Endocrinology 2005;146:3718-3723.
5. Chitnis MM, Yuen JS, Protheroe AS, et al: The type 1 insulin-like growth factor receptor pathway. Clin Cancer Res 2008;14:6364-6370.
6. Werner H, Bruchim I: The insulin-like growth factor-I receptor as an oncogene. Arch Physiol Biochem 2009;115:58-71.
7. Davies M, Gupta S, Goldspink G, et al: The insulin-like growth factor system and colorectal cancer: clinical and experimental evidence. Int J Colorectal Dis 2006;21:201-208.
8. Sandhu MS, Dunger DB, Giovannucci EL: Insulin, insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I), IGF binding proteins, their biologic interactions, and colorectal cancer. J Natl Cancer Inst 2002;94:972-980.
9. Ma J, Pollak MN, Giovannucci E, et al: Prospective study of colorectal cancer risk in men and plasma levels of insulin-like growth factor (IGF)-I and IGF-binding protein-3. J Natl Cancer Inst 1999;91:620-625.
10. Giovannucci E, Pollak MN, Platz EA, et al: A prospective study of plasma insulin-like growth factor-1 and binding protein-3 and risk of colorectal neoplasia in women. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 2000;9:345-349.
11. Cannata D, Fierz Y, Vijayakumar A, et al: Type 2 diabetes and cancer: what is the connection? Mt Sinai J Med 2010;77:197-213.
12. Venkateswaran V, Haddad AQ, Fleshner NE, et al: Association of diet-induced hyperinsulinemia with accelerated growth of prostate cancer (LNCaP) xenografts. J Natl Cancer Inst 2007;99:1793-1800.
13. Thissen JP, Ketelslegers JM, Underwood LE: Nutritional regulation of the insulin-like growth factors. Endocr Rev 1994;15:80-101.

correlation != causation

Most people are aware of the connections between red and processed meats and cancer – that there is convincing evidence that these dangerous foods are a cause of colon cancer

But, if you're going to bring up associations:

Carbohydrates and colorectal cancer risk among Chinese in North America

These data indicate that increased eCarb (non-fiber carb) and total carbohydrate consumption are both associated with increased risk of colorectal cancer in both sexes, and that among women, relative risk appears greatest for the right colon, whereas among men, relative risk appears greatest for the rectum.

More sugar/cancer links: http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/2013/03/28/sugars-and...



Dr. Joel Fuhrman, who is blinded by dietary dogma of his own (low fat vegetarian, dumb, dumb, dumb), at least gives a good critique of low carb diet myths in Eat to Live:

“So, it is certainly true – as the advocates of animal-food-rich diets, such as Atkins, Heller, Sears, and other proclaim – carbohydrates drive up insulin levels temporarily. These writers, however, have not presented the data in accurate fashion. A diet revolving around unrefined carbohydrates (fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and legumes) will not raise blood sugars or insulin levels. Studies have shown that such a diet can reduce fasting insulin levels 30-40 percent in just three weeks. Obviously, a low-fat diet that is high in refined sugars and refined carbohydrates and low in fiber is not a healthy diet. To lump refined and unrefined carbohydrates together is inaccurate and misleading.”
-Dr Fuhrman

Dangers and Myths of Low Carb Diet Plans

Fuhrman interviews Greger

Sugar, coated with myths


Excellent video. All should watch it.

Excellent video. All should watch it.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

cabbage or CABG?


An expected part of aging in Western societies is to have the arteries feeding your heart, brain, legs, and penis close down by atherosclerosis. Yet these problems are almost never found in populations of people who follow a diet low in animal-derived and processed foods, such as those living in rural Asia, Africa, and Central and South America. The matter that clogs the arteries is living tissue (not concrete) and therefore, can heal given the right environment. To clean up your arteries (reverse atherosclerosis), a very low-fat, no-cholesterol diet must be followed strictly. Immediate benefits, such as relief of chest pains (angina) and tolerance for more exercise, are seen within days. Heart surgery fails to prolong life in the vast majority of people and is fraught with serious side effects, including permanent brain damage – don't go this route unless you have no other choice.

Processed foods, plant oils, fried foods

Processed foods, plant oils, fried foods, sugar and grains and meats cooked too well done cause all of the issues you mentioned. Properly raised and cooked meat, and dietary cholesterol are not the causes.

McDougall is a total train wreck.

Watch this.

iHealthTube.com - Statin Drugs Are Mass Murder

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

name calling

is probably not the best way to start a discussion. it seems mcdougall mostly agrees with your man but sounds more knowledgeable on the subject.

i know a couple who were very unhealthy, overweight and always going to the doctors. after attending a mcdougall seminar they decided they wanted to change. they followed his program and after a year i wouldn't have known it was the same two people, trim, tan, active and off all their meds. i'm sure they're not alone. why belittle someone who obviously has helped people just because it doesn't appeal to you?

i certainly agree that processed foods and fried foods are no good, as is overcooking, and i'd imagine most health minded folks would agree.

Also, it's not that McDougall "doesn't appeal" to me

Also, it's not that McDougall "doesn't appeal" to me. He has an abysmal understanding of cholesterol and gluten intolerance, among many other things. While some of what he says is good stuff, it is more than negated by the things where he's dead wrong.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

I'm just being honest.

McDougall is a train wreck, and he doesn't look healthy. And he certainly is not more knowledgeable than Dr. Coldwell. Does Dr. Coldwell sound less knowledgeable to you because he's German, and English is his second language? If so, that is a shame.

I know a couple who have been doing McDougall for a long time. They look awful. They are thin, I'll grant that but they seem to be physically and mentally unhealthy. I've watched a couple of McDougall DVDs and get emails from him forwarded to me. Some of what he preaches is right on, some of it is not and some of it is toxic. Telling people to super-heat carbohydrates (potatoes in one case) in a teflon skillet is a recipe for disaster. Super-heating carbohydrates creates compounds that are toxic and super-heating the teflon skillet releases toxic compounds as well. This type of thing is why I say he's a train wreck. He knows just enough to be dangerous.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.