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Meat and Dairy Cause Cancer (T. Colin Campbell)

Alarming speech by Dr. Campbell (the China Study), who actually grew up on a dairy farm himself but became a vegan after seeing the results from his own research: animal products and their link to cancer.

A practically lone voice crying in the wilderness, it seems, considering the popularity of the low carb diets and the high consumption of animal products in general. We (and I include myself as a cheese lover) only want to hear what we want to hear, but the truth always comes out sooner or later.


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it had nothing to do with english

being his second language. maybe the couple you know are cheating and just eating vegan junk food, many do. mcdougall i believe was very unhealthy as a boy, overweight. i think he even had a heart attack and then changed his life with changing his eating, and would probably be dead had he not. i don't know about the teflon biz, but i found this:

personally i don't follow any one school but i try and learn from a variety
of nutritionists and i believe a lot of it is common sense.

"personally i don't follow..."

"personally i don't follow any one school but i try and learn from a variety of nutritionists and i believe a lot of it is common sense."

Same here.

That couple swears up and down that they stick with the McDougall diet strictly. Who knows. McDougall himself looks gray and unhealthy to me.

See, here's another thing. Everyone benefits from cleaning up their diet, as have I. What's different is what "cleaning up" means to different people. McDougall got rid of the vegetable oils, processed foods, etc. and got healthier. I think most all agree that lots of veggies in the diet is a good idea. He also got rid of meat and dairy, so he wrongly thinks that high carb is good and meat and dairy are bad. Many more people seem to be dairy intolerant than they think, so that may very well be a good thing for many to stay away from. I do. But he also wrongly blames the meat, chicken, fish etc. Again, one must understand the difference in steroid and antibiotic laden crap meat, processed junk meat, and organic, naturally raised and properly cooked meat. That's where he takes another wrong left turn.

Also, people are having more and more issues with candida overgrowth due to antibiotic use, steroids, birth control pills and a high sugar and...wait for it...high carbohydrate diet. And with more and more people becoming gluten intolerant, due to many issues but especially due to the hybridized, dwarf wheat strain that all of North America switched to in the 1980s, his high carb, high grain diet is a further recipe for disaster.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

i think we agree

that nobody has all the answers. you may find this interesting.

That was really good.

That was really good. And maybe I missed something, but McDougall seemed kind of alone on the high carb, grains are great aspect. The other vegans were not hot on grains. Someone in there mentioned the current dwarf strain of wheat being bad news. McDougall must kind of be in denial regarding that wheat strain, and modern corn not being anything like what the ancient Mayans and Aztecs ate etc.

Everyone agrees that processed stuff of all kinds is bad. The Paleo folks were all against factory farm meats and pro wild game and fish and properly raised meats.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

I'll check it out. Check

I'll check it out.

Check this...

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.



Ancient Egyptians did have access to meat, though Thomas says their diet consisted mostly of grains, fruits and vegetables.

The heart prefers fat as fuel.

β-HYDROXYBUTYRATE: THE MOST EFFICIENT FUEL Veech and colleagues discovered that administering β-hydroxybutyrate to the perfused rat heart in place of glucose increased work output but decreased oxygen consumption (35).

Post-Meal Blood Sugar and A1c Predict Cardiovascular Events and Deaths

The better fuel... a little biochem

Oh my. Nice fatty acids!


Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.


i think greger confuses fuhrman with mcdougall since it is mcdougall not fuhrman who is down on nuts and seeds; seeds are even part of fuhrman's G-Bombs recommendation of slow burning micro-nutrients: greens,beans,onions, mushrooms, berries & seeds.

Not the meat and dairy products

its how it was raised, like a concentration camp, and having the animal eating poisonous crops.

We banned DDT many years ago and now roundup is more deadly but it is still being used. No wonder Monsanto needed immunity from Congress.


Gold standard: because man can not be trusted to control his greed

Broad Generalization

I'm on the blood type diet, and being blood type B, I do just fine digesting milk. One man's meat is another man's poison.

O's and A's would do better to avoid cow's milk. Stick to goat and sheep's milk. A's don't handle red meat very well, while O's lose muscle and get sick not having it.

This is another reason I don't want Congress governming what I eat. As a B, I'm in the minority.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

that be

Dr. Potatohead

So be it

Anyone else want a cheeseburger?

Cheeseburger, cheeseburger, cheeseburger.

No coke, pepsi.

Big difference from the meat at the grocery store

and grass feed beef. The store beef were fed loads of GMO crops, given lots of antibiotics to keep them from dying before slaughter. The poor cow has to live it whole life walking in its own manure. No animal can survive in a feed lot for more than two years they must slaughter them before 3 years of age.

If you continually eat sick animals your going to become as sick as they were. the ruminant was never intended to eat lots of grain. There is a good documentary out called franken beef that explains why they die off.

If you buy two steaks one from a grass fed beef the other from a fed lot, you will understand what is wrong. the fat content in the fed lot beef has a cake texture to it, I think it sticks to the inside of your mouth. The grass fed is a little tougher, has a slight game flavor but the fat is more translucent. It won't plug the arteries like the feed lot beef, can actually lower cholesterol.

I think we humans being a higher thinking beings need to start thinking of how our food was raised or treated humanly. We should all think about not buying from companies that house animals like concentration camps.

Gold standard: because man can not be trusted to control his greed

The Ron Paul Diet

as i recall he ate light on the road, mostly salads and soup. he made sure he got exercise every day. he said he avoided white things. his special meal back home was shrimp & rice, and his guilty pleasure which he said he never felt guilty about was chocolate chip cookies.

Ron Paul grew up on a dairy farm



that's why he avoids "white stuff"

Don't be stupid


Don't be a humorless boor


He also told Piers Morgan

He also told Piers Morgan that he generally avoided "white" things. Generally, "white" refers to sugar, breads, and other processed foods.


how he looks a lot like colin campbell up above.

i think a lot of it is common sense. you know when you're eating healthy and exercising.

Show me a vegan who lives

Show me a vegan who lives long. You can't. All of these people who are living to be 100 or over are people who eat greasy ass diner food, they usually smoke, and they drink plenty of alcohol. The whole vegan thing is just an arm of the depopulation agenda. They claim that animals ruin the environment. How convenient that lack of meat in a diet kills libido.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

120 years old

Here you go:

But I wouldn't expect this to change your mind considering the complete and obvious facts hitting people right in the face and all they do is assert a ridiculous claim then proceed to downvote anything that doesn't agree with these claims.

Just let people live the lives they want, let the evidence stand. Live in peace. Geez.

I swear all this nonsense is driving me to become a super strict 100% raw vegan the same way Ron Paul drove me toward Libertarianism.

Vegetarian does not equal

Vegetarian does not equal vegan.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

Modus Tollens

You're right, but also very wrong if you are using this to dismiss my obvious facts.

Vegetarianism is a DIET.
Veganism is a PHILOSOPHY.

Vegetarians are not necessarily vegans, but vegans ALWAYS have a vegetarian diet.

So the person in question could have worn leather or used products that exploited animals, but they will still be eating a plant-diet.

You see now why I say you are both correct, but would be incorrect if you dismissed anything on the account of being correct.
It would be the same as saying "The sky is blue, so you are wrong."
It follows that the sky is blue, but that does not necessarily mean we should dismiss any of the obvious facts of the argument.

Veganism is a

Veganism is a PHILOSOPHY.

Veganism is probably more religion than philosophy.

Probably not.

Not like it matters what you call it.
Your point?