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Meat and Dairy Cause Cancer (T. Colin Campbell)

Alarming speech by Dr. Campbell (the China Study), who actually grew up on a dairy farm himself but became a vegan after seeing the results from his own research: animal products and their link to cancer.

A practically lone voice crying in the wilderness, it seems, considering the popularity of the low carb diets and the high consumption of animal products in general. We (and I include myself as a cheese lover) only want to hear what we want to hear, but the truth always comes out sooner or later.

http://youtu.be/wcvC-hErx1g



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Ron Paul grew up on a dairy farm

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maybe

that's why he avoids "white stuff"

Don't be stupid

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Don't be a humorless boor

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He also told Piers Morgan

He also told Piers Morgan that he generally avoided "white" things. Generally, "white" refers to sugar, breads, and other processed foods.

notice

how he looks a lot like colin campbell up above.

i think a lot of it is common sense. you know when you're eating healthy and exercising.

Show me a vegan who lives

Show me a vegan who lives long. You can't. All of these people who are living to be 100 or over are people who eat greasy ass diner food, they usually smoke, and they drink plenty of alcohol. The whole vegan thing is just an arm of the depopulation agenda. They claim that animals ruin the environment. How convenient that lack of meat in a diet kills libido.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

120 years old

Here you go:
http://callcenterinfo.tmcnet.com/news/2006/04/26/1610597.htm

But I wouldn't expect this to change your mind considering the complete and obvious facts hitting people right in the face and all they do is assert a ridiculous claim then proceed to downvote anything that doesn't agree with these claims.

Just let people live the lives they want, let the evidence stand. Live in peace. Geez.

I swear all this nonsense is driving me to become a super strict 100% raw vegan the same way Ron Paul drove me toward Libertarianism.

Vegetarian does not equal

Vegetarian does not equal vegan.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

Modus Tollens

You're right, but also very wrong if you are using this to dismiss my obvious facts.

Vegetarianism is a DIET.
Veganism is a PHILOSOPHY.

Vegetarians are not necessarily vegans, but vegans ALWAYS have a vegetarian diet.

So the person in question could have worn leather or used products that exploited animals, but they will still be eating a plant-diet.

You see now why I say you are both correct, but would be incorrect if you dismissed anything on the account of being correct.
It would be the same as saying "The sky is blue, so you are wrong."
It follows that the sky is blue, but that does not necessarily mean we should dismiss any of the obvious facts of the argument.

Veganism is a

Veganism is a PHILOSOPHY.

Veganism is probably more religion than philosophy.

Probably not.

Not like it matters what you call it.
Your point?

Philosophy implies reason.

Philosophy implies reason. Religion does not. Veganism is more akin to religion than it is to philosophy.

Nietzsche would disagree with that statement.

Philosophy is occasionally based in reason, but not always. Nietzsche was very opposed to the idea that reason should be the cornerstone of philosophy. "All philosophers are tyrannized by logic" he once wrote.

http://departments.bloomu.edu/philosophy/pages/content/hales...

Cuimhnigh orm, a Dhia, le haghaidh maith.

Philosophy, the love of "wisdom"

It doesn't matters what Nietzshce, or anyone else says, our understandings are ours, and ours alone:
I can call an apple an orange and it is "true"... to me.
I can say vegan is a religion, and it is "true"... to me.

Unless ample evidence is given, then what is conveyed is simply an opinion, not factual.

What he said comes down to is an opinion - that a vegan lifestyle is unreasonable - and this opinion is stated with no reason provided why it's unreasonable.
Ironic, isn't it?

Opinions are silly like that.

My point was much narrower...

...that we ought to be careful how we employ the words "true", "logic", "reason", or "philosophy" and how we connect them in our statements. Philosophy doesn't imply reason or logic because in some cases it is explicitly hostile to it. That was my point.

Cuimhnigh orm, a Dhia, le haghaidh maith.

Philosophy

Maybe this will help you:

phi·los·o·phy
noun, plural phi·los·o·phies.
1.
the rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct.

There's nothing inherently

There's nothing inherently wrong with religion... but reason on this for a little while...

http://themedicalbiochemistrypage.org/fatty-acid-oxidation.p...

The oxidation of fatty acids yields significantly more energy per carbon atom than does the oxidation of carbohydrates. The net result of the oxidation of one mole of oleic acid (an 18-carbon fatty acid) will be 146 moles of ATP (2 mole equivalents are used during the activation of the fatty acid), as compared with 114 moles from an equivalent number of glucose carbon atoms.

With a little reasoning, one can conclude fat is the preferred fuel. With a little religion, one can reject this simple fact of nature.

Not ironic that you'd commit the equivocation fallacy with the word unreasonable. Notice I never made any statement such as

- that a vegan lifestyle is unreasonable -

A religious lifestyle can be reasonable albeit based on faulty premises.

http://youtu.be/826HMLoiE_o

To quote: Not ironic that

To quote:

Not ironic that you'd commit the equivocation fallacy with the word unreasonable.

Now, please show where the equivocation fallacy was committed using the word unreasonable.

If this cannot be substantiated then it is my opinion the entire post containing the claim is devoid of meaning and will be seen simply a tangent and subsequently ignored.

Seeing as there was no intent on building a foundation for such a claim to begin with, I'm not holding my breath on this.

The oldest person (ever) was French, lived to 122

She ate meat, lots of olive oil (loads really), drank a quart of port wine per week, at 2.2lbs of chocolate per week, and ate meat.

The China Study was debunked because Campbell deliberately left out data on long lived "higher meat" consuming Chinese -- he left their region out because it "skewed" his data.

Also -- all the people in his study DID in fact eat meat, there were few vegetarians and no vegans impacting longevity in his study.

He IMAGINES it's the vegetarian side of the diet that increases longevity -- there's no science to it given that the oldest living people do IN FACT in some amount of meat.

One of the oldest Americans (near 110 years) said her secret was eating fried chicken every day, hahahahaha.

My wife's grandmother made it to nearly 100 and she was a wine, chocolate, and chicken eating machine.

Plenty of vegetarian "health" gurus have died of cancer and before the age of 80.

The scientific answer is "we don't know" what contributes to longevity; but it's more likely to do with a combination of good genetic stock and life-style and only moderately based on dietetical absolutism.

Even Older Still

The Buddhist monks of Tibet are on a strict diet of brown rice and some vegetables. Many of them have lived 130+ years.
The hear-say of americans eating deep-fried chicken and living 100+ years is interesting. Though, still just hear-say.

Complete and utter heresay -- show evidence of their ages!!!

Those dudes die in the 80's or 90's at best.

Why wouldn't they live long lives, they are taken care of by society, they never had the stress of child-rearing or "real" jobs.

You first

No, u.

x100They never worried about

x100

They never worried about how many eggs or meat they ate. Whats obvious is that they didnt eat the highly processed and altered foods that are present today.

Do you know what libido is?

Do you know what libido is? It's not stamina, it's sexual appetite. This Du Pinhua also said she never ate meat until she turned 110. So she's not a vegetarian, and I could easily argue that meat got her to live her last decade. There have been no long-term studies of vegetarians. The way "science" is done today is to study many people for a short amount of time and apply that data to one person for a lifetime. It's completely retarded. Until "science" follows thousands of people from uterus to grave in a controlled lab study, your cited studies are just anti-omnivore fluff.

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To quote you...

...you said, "Show me a vegan who lives long. You can't."

So is 110 old? Sorry but you've been shown several examples. You'll see many more examples if you do a Google search.

As far as libido, did you know that erectile dysfunction is one of the first signs of heart disease in men?
Watch this, where Rip Esselstyn talks about it:

http://youtu.be/Rf_xO66o_oo

Casein

Casein it turns out is what his experiments showed to be the culprit in fueling cancers in rats. I saw a more recent interview where he admits that it's not meat in itself but the particular protein that is mainly in dairy products. It's the stuff used to glue labels on beer bottles, it's really tenacious. In fact when it's in your arteries it takes a long time to go away. That is definitely not a good protein for you as his test show, but meat in itself isn't horrible as I also thought myself. After being vegan/vegetarian I had to go back to meat.

My friend realized recently

My friend realized recently that he may have a casein sensitivity. He takes grass fed butter and clarifies it himself now.