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Meat and Dairy Cause Cancer (T. Colin Campbell)

Alarming speech by Dr. Campbell (the China Study), who actually grew up on a dairy farm himself but became a vegan after seeing the results from his own research: animal products and their link to cancer.

A practically lone voice crying in the wilderness, it seems, considering the popularity of the low carb diets and the high consumption of animal products in general. We (and I include myself as a cheese lover) only want to hear what we want to hear, but the truth always comes out sooner or later.

http://youtu.be/wcvC-hErx1g




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Who are Weston A. Price's Members?

Nothing diabolical about it. Weston A. Price lobbies the government and receives most of its funding from meat and dairy businesses. One would be naive to think there's no vested interest there just because it's not an arm of the government.

Its members are people like

Its members are people like me -- folks with an interest in supporting an organization that does amazing, much-needed work and provides a power check to this country's powers that be. They lobby the government to legalize raw milk consumption and create a better business environment for small food growers. You should try getting your info from other places besides your own assumptions.

You have your suspicions, now state your sources. Show me how naive I am. The burden of proof is on you.

I take it...

...you haven't seen their list of members, have you? Have you seen the links on their site? Maybe that will give you a clue as to who their major donors are.

Show me the list of members,

Show me the list of members, dude! I haven't seen one shred of evidence from you. The major donors you speak of are **ethical**, fairly small scale producers of meat, dairy, kombucha, supplements, and the like. We're not talking about Chef Boyardee here. If your argument is that all meat and dairy outfits are evil, therefore the WAPF is evil, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I happen to think animal foods are a very necessary part of the human diet and can be raised and eaten in ways that benefit people and the planet.

Now, you're suggesting that they push animal products because they are sponsored by folks from that industry. Um, no. It's the other way around. Sally Fallon and Mary Enig were writing about the benefits of animal products long before the WAPF was even founded. The sponsors then come to support their ideas and mission to spread this information to more people.

If you "follow the money," you'll see that lipid biochemist Mary Enig, one of Fallon's partners in founding the WAPF, could have made a lot more money if she had just pushed the nutritional mantras of her day. Instead she sacrificed this opportunity and focused on spreading the truth about fats and oils rather than perpetuating lies about cholesterol and saturated fat being bad for you.

Look more into how the WAPF is changing the landscape of food and health freedom in our country and get back to me. If you cannot appreciate the work they do from a libertarian perspective, then you're in the wrong place. I'm telling you, these folks are on our side.

If you "follow the money,"

If you "follow the money," you'll see that lipid biochemist Mary Enig, one of Fallon's partners in founding the WAPF, could have made a lot more money if she had just pushed the nutritional mantras of her day. Instead she sacrificed this opportunity and focused on spreading the truth about fats and oils rather than perpetuating lies about cholesterol and saturated fat being bad for you.

https://twitter.com/ProfTimNoakes/status/325672385430839297

http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/chapter1-5.php

Maybe we can still rescue the anxiety theory—what about disease? When I ask students to identify the most valuable achievements of modern technology, they invariably point to medicine, which they claim has given us levels of health, security, and longevity unprecedented in history. Such a view, however, fails to recognize the power and sophistication of traditional herbal medicine for curing the wounds and diseases common in those times. It also must contend with the observations of Weston Price, an American dentist who lived in the early twentieth century.vi Price was curious about the decline of dental health he had seen over the decades of his practice, and hypothesized that the rapid increase in the prevalence of tooth decay, crowded dentition, and a host of other, formerly rare, non-dental maladies had something to do with our diets. He quit his practice and spent many years traveling to remote corners of the world where people still lived without modern foods. The societies he visited weren't all Stone Age, but they were primitive by our standards. He went to remote Swiss villages accessible only by mule, and to the outer islands of Scotland; he lived with the Masai in Africa, the Inuit in Alaska, the aborigines in Australia, Polynesians in the Pacific. In all these places he found almost no tooth decay, no obesity, no heart disease, and no cancer. Instead he observed magnificent physical stamina, easy childbirth, and broad jaws with all 32 teeth. The diets were different everywhere but there were some things in common. People ate very few refined carbohydrates, plenty of live fermented food, and substantial quantities of fats and organ meats. Their vitamin intake was many times greater than the norm today. Price's work lends support to the contention that at least in some respects, primitive people enjoyed better health than is the norm today, even without the modern medicine that we think keeps us healthy.

The Scientific Approach of Weston Price, Part 1: Nature’s Closest Thing to an RCT by Chris Masterjohn

Don't kid yourself

Enig makes a lot of money. Though she was right about trans-fats, she's dead wrong -- no pun intended -- about meat and dairy, which, again, in independent study after study, show cause cancer and heart disease, not to mention contribute to aging (growth hormones are in all animal products, including organic animal products), obesity, and arthritis.

My chronic degenerative arthritis pain diminished immensely when I quit meat and dairy, btw.

Enig makes a lot of

Enig makes a lot of money.

More or less than Campbell?

Fallon and Enig

Near the end of the video, Campbell is asked about the Weston Price Foundation, and his answer is very enlightening, to say the least. Have a look and see what you think.

Fallon, author of the book "Eat Fat to Lose Fat," is herself fat. That should tell us all we need to know. I ate only what they recommended for a few years, and all that happened was I gained weight, still felt sluggish, still had anxiety attacks, and my mood didn't improve, which told me all I needed to know.

Yet all those symptoms went away less than a week after giving up meat and dairy. It was remarkable.

To answer your question about members, look at the WAPF's website if you'd like to see their major contributors (members). They're not hard to find there -- all the links selling their products are in plain sight.

It might seem plausible that

You really think Campbell is

You really think Campbell is a source of info on the WAPF? That explains why you take issue with them. It'd be like me making judgements about PETA by using sources provided by a slaughter house.

"Fat" is a relative term. I happen to think being skinny is very unhealthy, especially as one gets older. In fact, some studies suggest that gaining 10 pounds every decade after 30 is protective against disease. Don't judge a book by its cover. Some people naturally put on more weight. There are thousands of examples of people who have been eating traditional foods for years and are not "fat." In addition to modern folks eating this way, look at any hunter-gatherer/traditional culture.

One person's experience feeling sluggish on a diet does not make the diet bad. There are many factors that can contribute, such as digestive ailments, constitution, source of food, eating patterns, etc. I felt sluggish when I tried eating a lot of meat and it was because my body basically forgot how to digest it after years of being vegetarian. I adjusted over time.

Re: members: I see the **sponsors.** I just don't see the list of "members," (who are people like me) that you speak of. A sponsor is not a member.

Have you looked into some of the very positive work the WAPF does for food freedom yet? http://www.farmtoconsumer.org/

I was a meat eater all my life...

It wasn't till I became 90-95 percent vegan (except for seafood occasionally) that I felt much better. And my body didn't need to "adjust."

You can ignore the evidence that meat and dairy cause cancer and heart disease (and diabetes, osteoporosis, arthritis) if you want, of course, but you cannot argue with the evidence without a basis for the argument. You have none because there is none.

Look at the countries with the highest rates of breast cancer -- Holland, Switzerland, England, the U.S. -- and the fact that they consume the most dairy by far in the world. Countries that consume little to no dairy have practically no known cases of breast cancer. It's not a coincidence.

I'm not ignoring any

I'm not ignoring any evidence. I just don't see any evidence from you about much of anything. Correlation does not mean causation. And you have to explain all outliers (Masai, Samburu, Plains Indians, Inuit, Argentinian caballeros, Siberian raindeer herders) who eat tons of meat with absolutely zero cancer or heart disease. Science is not as simple as you're making it out to be.

I'm glad you feel better than you did before, but just because that was the case for you does not mean it is the case for everybody. And there are other factors at play. It is not as simple as "meat bad, vegetables good." I don't go around telling people to eat what I eat because it works for me. That's up to each individual to figure out.

The reality of the situation is that meat has been a mainstay in the human diet for 2.5 million years. That's documented science. The things that have not are vegetable oils, hydrogenated fats, refined sugar, high fructose corn syrup, high gluten refined flour, and additives galore. Why do you not think these are the culprits in disease? Why blame meat?

Did you watch the video?

The evidence is in the video. So if you'll watch it, I'm sure you'll see why animal protein is one of the most potent carcinogens there are.

I kind of wonder, though, why you would make such a comment without seeing the video at least.

(And please don't down vote

(And please don't down vote my posts and up vote yours. That's bad etiquette. Let others who read our posts do that.)

The only person mentioning the Weston A. Price Foundation here

... is you.

Straw man.

Unfortunately...

...many Libertarians have fallen for the Weston A. Price Foundation's advice. I know because I was one of those duped by that organization's so-called "experts."

Please tell us

... where they've gone wrong, and provide the clinical science to back up your arguments.

The WAPF isn't the final-say in paleo anyway, not by a long shot. I'm not even sure why you are singling them out. Do you have some kind of grudge?

You didn't watch the video...

...I take it, or I believe you wouldn't have asked that question.

I used to believe WAPF and followed what they said to do for years. Instead of feeling better, I gained weight, felt lethargic and sick. Just take a look at Fallon if you believe her advice is good. Sorry but she's a large woman and doesn't look healthy, to put it politely.

Look at Rip Esselstyn if you want a picture of someone who looks healthy and follow what he does. You'll be amazed.

You do have to wonder just

You do have to wonder just what her agenda is.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

Actually, I'm wondering...

...what your agenda is. You've been all over this thread as though you have money at stake.

Just sayin'...

I could say the same about you.

I could say the same about you.

dinahtab, check out the links in this post...

http://www.dailypaul.com/276132/david-icke-cancer-is-a-fungu...

The vids are not about any diet.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

Talk about manipulation...

Folks-
Read the China study. Moneybag - I am sure - has not read this book. When Zhou Enlai was dying of cancer, he inaugerated the largest medical study ever done to try to determine what caused cancer. The China Study is a great book.

Have a look

Holy Confunders, Batman!

The China Study II: How gender takes us to the elusive and deadly factor X

As I said before, this is a well executed research project, for which Dr. Campbell and his collaborators should be commended. I may not agree with all of their conclusions, but this does not detract even a bit from the quality of the data they have compiled and made available to us all.

So there must be another factor X causing this enormous difference in mortality (and thus longevity) among men and women in the China Study II dataset.

What could be this factor X?

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As it turns out, the best candidate for the factor X is smoking, particularly cigarette smoking.

The second best candidate for factor X is alcohol abuse.

Apparently...

The 2nd Amendment causes cancer as well. So, that's why "they" are trying to get rid of it.

Lol,

along with a slight case of death.

I'm a vegan/vegetarian

and am alarmed at all the negativity here for something that is very much in line with our principles. I am a vegan because of the morality of the current situation.

How can we justifiably eat meat and animal products when we know full well the conditions that these animals live in. It's atrocious. And how many of you actually kill your own meat? There is such a detachment from where our food comes from that we have lost our connection to food. If you can't plunge a knife into a living thing and watch it die, then I don't think you deserve to eat it's meat.

I am also so disgusted with the promotion of the Primal Diet amongst our ranks. Mark Sisson has pecuniary motives with pushing his diet, and all of you should be just as skeptical of his diet, as you should the one our government promotes. I am thankful to him, because the primal diet was a stepping stone for me in the right direction of thinking about my health..but that's where it ends.

These animals are pumped full of antibiotics and they are living in completely inhumane conditions. I have no doubt that consuming them and their byproducts will lead to disease and lower standard of health, as long as the average living conditions do not improve. It's time we take a long hard look at ourselves, and make some tough decisions in other parts of our lives.

i am not alarmed since

most of the US population eats to die rather than to live. the paleo nonsense is the latest fad diet and when i see libertarians buy into i have to scratch my head. i like dr mcdougal except when he tries to tie in global warming & save the planet themes. dr. joel fuhrman is probably my favorite nutritionist and i believe coined the term nutritarian - eating foods for nutrient & poly nutrient density. small portions of lean meat or fish are allowed but most who follow "eat to live" are vegans.

regarding treatment of animals. yep, i've seen the films. absolutely disgusting.

Let's play, You Pick the

Let's play, You Pick the Fad!

the paleo nonsense is the latest fad diet

2.5MY of human evolution

or

100 years of industrial age diet

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fad
a practice or interest followed for a time with exaggerated zeal : craze