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Meat and Dairy Cause Cancer (T. Colin Campbell)

Alarming speech by Dr. Campbell (the China Study), who actually grew up on a dairy farm himself but became a vegan after seeing the results from his own research: animal products and their link to cancer.

A practically lone voice crying in the wilderness, it seems, considering the popularity of the low carb diets and the high consumption of animal products in general. We (and I include myself as a cheese lover) only want to hear what we want to hear, but the truth always comes out sooner or later.

http://youtu.be/wcvC-hErx1g




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nutrient dense eating

nutrient dense eating
with dr. joel fuhrman
http://vimeo.com/36383977

Youre free to eat what you

Youre free to eat what you want. Im not a vegetarian because im in tune to my body. My body craves meat and feels great when it gets it. It wilts when it doesnt get it. Im willing to bet those ultimately responsible for pushing vegetarianism/veganism/etc. are the biggest red meat eaters around.

Red and Processed Meat

Red and Processed Meat Consumption and Risk of Incident Coronary Heart Disease, Stroke, and Diabetes Mellitus

Conclusions— Consumption of processed meats, but not red meats, is associated with higher incidence of CHD and diabetes mellitus. These results highlight the need for better understanding of potential mechanisms of effects and for particular focus on processed meats for dietary and policy recommendations.

Everything is Backward, what is going on?

What is going on? I come to Daily Paul to read posts from people who question everything to be verified rather than simply living in absolutes and obeying. And somehow the topic that seems to vanquish all reasoning isn't anything about politics or law... it is about food??

All through government-funded public school and up to state-funded college my nutrition classes have been telling me to eat lots of meat, dairy, eggs, or whichever of the Big Agri is funding the course. The teachers never knew a lick of nutritional information, they just regurgitated what was in the books, praising everything Big Agri is throwing onto our plates.

It doesn't matter if it's grains or meat that's in question, EVERYTHING the gov-backed big corps are throwing at us is garbage to eat. Reading through these comments make me sick to my mental stomach because it's obvious we've fallen for the divide and conquer technique that's worked on us for so long on everything.

Go ahead and argue about Pepsi vs Coke, Google+ vs Facebook, or Big Agri grains vs Big Agri meat - those of us who can see, let us live by example and hope that is enough to get past these tricks.

Remember, an ounce of respect will be returned to you in many pounds.
Good luck!

With all the talk about who

With all the talk about who funded what study, how about everyone switch sides for a few weeks, and see how you feel? Experimenting with your diet is a lot of fun and you can test your willpower to change the way you live. I found my way by trying it out myself and I love finding new ways to do things. I've done everything from the standard american, to raw vegan, full paleo, primal, zero-carb, low fat/whole wheats, raw vegetables and fish, fad diets like only eating regular plain potatoes for a week, all kinds of stuff. Following the money will lead you everywhere, follow your gut- literally!

End The Fed!
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Wow lucky for me I don't like

Wow lucky for me I don't like milk and don't eat a lot of meat. I should live forever do you think my smoking a pack a day will hurt?

The china study was

The china study was manipulated for (leftist, environmentalist) ideological reasons. People NEED animal products to be healthy, and the data reflects this fact; vegans, and vegetarians, are more likely to develop cancer and disease, than those who consume animal products.

Do some research into the lies that have been told about saturated fat, and cholesterol.

Follow the money

Weston Price Foundation is funded by meat/dairy businesses. So naturally they're going to push animal products.

Colin Campbell not only got out of the dairy farm business when he saw the results of the China Study but he also LOST his government grants. Guess who advises the USDA and made sure he lost his government grants? You guessed it -- the meat and dairy industries.

Again, you find the truth when you follow the money.

The Weston A. Price

The Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF) is a non-profit funded by its membership and grants. If they were funded by the "meat and dairy industry," why on earth would they advocate for small organic/grass-fed producers and not Tyson meats or Lucerne? Why would they pressure law makers to create legislation that legalizes the consumption of raw milk rather than legitimizing the system that is already in place and benefiting big industry?

Please do not spread misinformation. The WAPF is rife with good people who are doing wonderful things for small businesses and food freedom in our country. They have my full support.

Weston A. Price Foundation...

...is funded largely by ORGANIC MEAT and DAIRY businesses.

Follow the money (see who's funding the organizations, who sits on the USDA advisory board, and what industries fund studies that come out). While you're at it, look at the pictures of those pushing the foods (take a look at Sally Fallon, for example). You can't go wrong that way.

And who funds PETA? Zoos and

And who funds PETA? Zoos and horse meat operations? I don't think so.

Likewise, Monsanto and Tyson Meats don't support the WAPF. Businesses that are in alignment with their principles support them. What's wrong with that? Stop trying to find something diabolical about an organization that clearly exists to preserve food freedom, research important topics that the USDA and FDA refuse to, and encourage better health choices. Look at pictures? That's not any indication of anything.

From their website:

"The main sources of support for the Weston A. Price Foundation are the dues and contributions of its members. The Foundation does not receive funding from the government or the food processing and agribusiness industries. It does accept sponsorships, exhibitors and advertising from small companies by invitation, whose products are in line with WAPF principles. Current sponsors can be seen at the main page of Weston A. Price. The sponsors include meat and fish producers, as well as health product companies."

Do your research and take a hard look at your biases. Leave misinformation to the mainstream media.

Who are Weston A. Price's Members?

Nothing diabolical about it. Weston A. Price lobbies the government and receives most of its funding from meat and dairy businesses. One would be naive to think there's no vested interest there just because it's not an arm of the government.

Its members are people like

Its members are people like me -- folks with an interest in supporting an organization that does amazing, much-needed work and provides a power check to this country's powers that be. They lobby the government to legalize raw milk consumption and create a better business environment for small food growers. You should try getting your info from other places besides your own assumptions.

You have your suspicions, now state your sources. Show me how naive I am. The burden of proof is on you.

I take it...

...you haven't seen their list of members, have you? Have you seen the links on their site? Maybe that will give you a clue as to who their major donors are.

Show me the list of members,

Show me the list of members, dude! I haven't seen one shred of evidence from you. The major donors you speak of are **ethical**, fairly small scale producers of meat, dairy, kombucha, supplements, and the like. We're not talking about Chef Boyardee here. If your argument is that all meat and dairy outfits are evil, therefore the WAPF is evil, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I happen to think animal foods are a very necessary part of the human diet and can be raised and eaten in ways that benefit people and the planet.

Now, you're suggesting that they push animal products because they are sponsored by folks from that industry. Um, no. It's the other way around. Sally Fallon and Mary Enig were writing about the benefits of animal products long before the WAPF was even founded. The sponsors then come to support their ideas and mission to spread this information to more people.

If you "follow the money," you'll see that lipid biochemist Mary Enig, one of Fallon's partners in founding the WAPF, could have made a lot more money if she had just pushed the nutritional mantras of her day. Instead she sacrificed this opportunity and focused on spreading the truth about fats and oils rather than perpetuating lies about cholesterol and saturated fat being bad for you.

Look more into how the WAPF is changing the landscape of food and health freedom in our country and get back to me. If you cannot appreciate the work they do from a libertarian perspective, then you're in the wrong place. I'm telling you, these folks are on our side.

If you "follow the money,"

If you "follow the money," you'll see that lipid biochemist Mary Enig, one of Fallon's partners in founding the WAPF, could have made a lot more money if she had just pushed the nutritional mantras of her day. Instead she sacrificed this opportunity and focused on spreading the truth about fats and oils rather than perpetuating lies about cholesterol and saturated fat being bad for you.

https://twitter.com/ProfTimNoakes/status/325672385430839297

http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/chapter1-5.php

Maybe we can still rescue the anxiety theory—what about disease? When I ask students to identify the most valuable achievements of modern technology, they invariably point to medicine, which they claim has given us levels of health, security, and longevity unprecedented in history. Such a view, however, fails to recognize the power and sophistication of traditional herbal medicine for curing the wounds and diseases common in those times. It also must contend with the observations of Weston Price, an American dentist who lived in the early twentieth century.vi Price was curious about the decline of dental health he had seen over the decades of his practice, and hypothesized that the rapid increase in the prevalence of tooth decay, crowded dentition, and a host of other, formerly rare, non-dental maladies had something to do with our diets. He quit his practice and spent many years traveling to remote corners of the world where people still lived without modern foods. The societies he visited weren't all Stone Age, but they were primitive by our standards. He went to remote Swiss villages accessible only by mule, and to the outer islands of Scotland; he lived with the Masai in Africa, the Inuit in Alaska, the aborigines in Australia, Polynesians in the Pacific. In all these places he found almost no tooth decay, no obesity, no heart disease, and no cancer. Instead he observed magnificent physical stamina, easy childbirth, and broad jaws with all 32 teeth. The diets were different everywhere but there were some things in common. People ate very few refined carbohydrates, plenty of live fermented food, and substantial quantities of fats and organ meats. Their vitamin intake was many times greater than the norm today. Price's work lends support to the contention that at least in some respects, primitive people enjoyed better health than is the norm today, even without the modern medicine that we think keeps us healthy.

The Scientific Approach of Weston Price, Part 1: Nature’s Closest Thing to an RCT by Chris Masterjohn

Don't kid yourself

Enig makes a lot of money. Though she was right about trans-fats, she's dead wrong -- no pun intended -- about meat and dairy, which, again, in independent study after study, show cause cancer and heart disease, not to mention contribute to aging (growth hormones are in all animal products, including organic animal products), obesity, and arthritis.

My chronic degenerative arthritis pain diminished immensely when I quit meat and dairy, btw.

Enig makes a lot of

Enig makes a lot of money.

More or less than Campbell?

Fallon and Enig

Near the end of the video, Campbell is asked about the Weston Price Foundation, and his answer is very enlightening, to say the least. Have a look and see what you think.

Fallon, author of the book "Eat Fat to Lose Fat," is herself fat. That should tell us all we need to know. I ate only what they recommended for a few years, and all that happened was I gained weight, still felt sluggish, still had anxiety attacks, and my mood didn't improve, which told me all I needed to know.

Yet all those symptoms went away less than a week after giving up meat and dairy. It was remarkable.

To answer your question about members, look at the WAPF's website if you'd like to see their major contributors (members). They're not hard to find there -- all the links selling their products are in plain sight.

It might seem plausible that

You really think Campbell is

You really think Campbell is a source of info on the WAPF? That explains why you take issue with them. It'd be like me making judgements about PETA by using sources provided by a slaughter house.

"Fat" is a relative term. I happen to think being skinny is very unhealthy, especially as one gets older. In fact, some studies suggest that gaining 10 pounds every decade after 30 is protective against disease. Don't judge a book by its cover. Some people naturally put on more weight. There are thousands of examples of people who have been eating traditional foods for years and are not "fat." In addition to modern folks eating this way, look at any hunter-gatherer/traditional culture.

One person's experience feeling sluggish on a diet does not make the diet bad. There are many factors that can contribute, such as digestive ailments, constitution, source of food, eating patterns, etc. I felt sluggish when I tried eating a lot of meat and it was because my body basically forgot how to digest it after years of being vegetarian. I adjusted over time.

Re: members: I see the **sponsors.** I just don't see the list of "members," (who are people like me) that you speak of. A sponsor is not a member.

Have you looked into some of the very positive work the WAPF does for food freedom yet? http://www.farmtoconsumer.org/

I was a meat eater all my life...

It wasn't till I became 90-95 percent vegan (except for seafood occasionally) that I felt much better. And my body didn't need to "adjust."

You can ignore the evidence that meat and dairy cause cancer and heart disease (and diabetes, osteoporosis, arthritis) if you want, of course, but you cannot argue with the evidence without a basis for the argument. You have none because there is none.

Look at the countries with the highest rates of breast cancer -- Holland, Switzerland, England, the U.S. -- and the fact that they consume the most dairy by far in the world. Countries that consume little to no dairy have practically no known cases of breast cancer. It's not a coincidence.

I'm not ignoring any

I'm not ignoring any evidence. I just don't see any evidence from you about much of anything. Correlation does not mean causation. And you have to explain all outliers (Masai, Samburu, Plains Indians, Inuit, Argentinian caballeros, Siberian raindeer herders) who eat tons of meat with absolutely zero cancer or heart disease. Science is not as simple as you're making it out to be.

I'm glad you feel better than you did before, but just because that was the case for you does not mean it is the case for everybody. And there are other factors at play. It is not as simple as "meat bad, vegetables good." I don't go around telling people to eat what I eat because it works for me. That's up to each individual to figure out.

The reality of the situation is that meat has been a mainstay in the human diet for 2.5 million years. That's documented science. The things that have not are vegetable oils, hydrogenated fats, refined sugar, high fructose corn syrup, high gluten refined flour, and additives galore. Why do you not think these are the culprits in disease? Why blame meat?

Did you watch the video?

The evidence is in the video. So if you'll watch it, I'm sure you'll see why animal protein is one of the most potent carcinogens there are.

I kind of wonder, though, why you would make such a comment without seeing the video at least.

(And please don't down vote

(And please don't down vote my posts and up vote yours. That's bad etiquette. Let others who read our posts do that.)

The only person mentioning the Weston A. Price Foundation here

... is you.

Straw man.

Unfortunately...

...many Libertarians have fallen for the Weston A. Price Foundation's advice. I know because I was one of those duped by that organization's so-called "experts."

Please tell us

... where they've gone wrong, and provide the clinical science to back up your arguments.

The WAPF isn't the final-say in paleo anyway, not by a long shot. I'm not even sure why you are singling them out. Do you have some kind of grudge?

You didn't watch the video...

...I take it, or I believe you wouldn't have asked that question.

I used to believe WAPF and followed what they said to do for years. Instead of feeling better, I gained weight, felt lethargic and sick. Just take a look at Fallon if you believe her advice is good. Sorry but she's a large woman and doesn't look healthy, to put it politely.

Look at Rip Esselstyn if you want a picture of someone who looks healthy and follow what he does. You'll be amazed.