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Meat and Dairy Cause Cancer (T. Colin Campbell)

Alarming speech by Dr. Campbell (the China Study), who actually grew up on a dairy farm himself but became a vegan after seeing the results from his own research: animal products and their link to cancer.

A practically lone voice crying in the wilderness, it seems, considering the popularity of the low carb diets and the high consumption of animal products in general. We (and I include myself as a cheese lover) only want to hear what we want to hear, but the truth always comes out sooner or later.


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We are talking about the

We are talking about the different influences on the USDA, and the FDA. Grain interests are overwhelmingly represented. Whether they are organic or not means nothing in this context. I suggest you watch the movie "Fat Head".

The USDA also recommends umpteen servings of GRAIN per day

The USDA also recommends umpteen servings of GRAIN per day.

dinahtab, you are a trip. You are seeing a tiny fraction of the big picture, yet are certain you're seeing it all and others are completely blind. One can witness this by reading your comments throughout this thread. It's really amazing.

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Again, Big Agri...

...advises the USDA, not the organic vegetable farmers. Again, follow the money. Campbell does not recommend nonorganic grains.

Yes, follow the money

Again, you are conflating organic vegetable farmers with Big Agri grain farmers. That makes not sense at all.

Yes, follow the money. Much of it goes to Big Agri GRAIN production.

The Paleo folks that you complain about don't recommend non organic meat. So what's your point.

You're comparing apples and oranges and pineapples and bananas. You're a fruit basket.

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Organic meat still causes cancer...

...because organic meat still has growth hormones, which have been shown in numerous objective studies to cause cancer (and aging).

Not to mention the plaque that meat, organic or nonorganic, causes in the arteries.

"Everything is permissible --but not everything is beneficial." (Corinthians 10:23)

especially to the corn industrial complex

"instead of following the money"

Yeah, following the huge government subsidies to the grain producers, especially to the corn industrial complex.

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No offense but its gunna be

No offense but its gunna be hard to pitch it as animal rights. Alot of us are hunters... and are working to stop buying meat and only living off the land.

I personally have nothing against hunting

But that's me. I wouldn't do that myself but that's also just me.

I do have a big problem with the inhumane treatment at factory farms. If people knew the horrible torture that goes on there, I'm sure they'd never touch factory farm meat again.

But this thread is really about the links to cancer and heart disease from animal protein.

I'm a former raw vegan, and

I'm a former raw vegan, and now choose to eat meat for health, environmental, and, actually, moral reasons. Check out "The Vegetarian Myth", it lays out some things you may not have thought of. Also a few websites on the health aspect: www.westonaprice.org www.marksdailyapple.com www.robbwolf.com

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It seems like many vegans and

It seems like many vegans and vegges approach this with a blind, religious-like zeal rather than rational logic.

Yeah, deforestation to plant domesticated crops is much more destructive than people hunting animals in the woods and picking wild, indigenous fruits, nuts, berries veggies etc. or even herding sheep and cattle.

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It seems like many vegans and vegges approach this with a blind, religious-like zeal rather than rational logic.

If you're using rational logic you would identify this post as a fallacy.

Furthermore, if you were to verify your next statement you would find that those slash-and-burn crops are used to feed animals.
Come on, these kinds of statements push me to become a vegetarian. Use honest logic.

Oh freakin please

After those slash and burn crops have been fed to animals, then what? It's all gone. The ecosystem is all gone. The damage to the earth has been done. Nature has been destroyed. The habitat for the wild animals is history. The mineral rich top soil quickly erodes away. The nutrient deficient crops are produced with the help of chemical fertilizers. People eat them and get fat and sick. Big petro makes out on the fertilizer and big agri makes out on the toxic crops, typically grains, that have been cultivated.

You need to think about the fertilizer that you are shoveling.

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The Point?

What's the point of this post? It's just stating the obvious, but doesn't uphold your previous argument (which was based on an ad hominem fallacy).
My point still stands that slash-and-burn is not a vegan-only problem. Animals consume more so slash-and-burn techniques would be better suited for them (rape the land and kill the animal, then move on).
Vegetarians are generally more into sustainability, which is a major motivational factor why they cut out meat entirely.

Like I said, there's better reasons to argue for an omnivorous diet and I'd get behind you for support if you did this, but fallacies and rhetoric make me take a complete opposite stance based on principle. I'll side with logic and reasoning first.

Absolutely. Many also don't

Absolutely. Many also don't take into account the amount of animals killed in modern harvesters/threshers, or poisoned by pesticides, or having their forest homes destroyed. Support for small family-owned organic farms that raise healthy animals is essential, IMO. Finding a hunter friend that will share/sell you some meat is also way better than factory farmed meat.

It is easy to say "I don't eat meat because I don't believe in hurting animals" but I eat meat and care as much about animals as anyone. We are part of nature; me catching and eating a fish is no different than a wolf eating a deer. Wolves are not immoral.

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The Wolf

The wolf would be immoral if they supported the meat industry though.

Seeing as we're not carnivores we not only have a choice not to kill, but we also have the choice not to support the industry.

I wish many more people would do as you say and pay their hunter friends for the food, but the obvious truth is people are supporting McDonalds/Tysons/etc. and trying to justify it by saying we're part of nature.

As soon as nature goes through the drive-thru to pick up a double-bacon bypass, I'll agree..

Very well put.

Very well put.

No sane person wants to be part of having animals poorly treated. We only buy organic, grass fed, free range, cage free beef pork and chicken. I've driven by some of those ginormous feed lot/slaughtering operations and the smell will kill you miles before you get to them. I don't want anything to do with products from such places and wish they didn't exist.

I agree on trying to get all that you can from local producers who you are confident in.

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i just dont understand why

I just dont understand why meat... something every civilization ever to exist has tried very hard to get. Is now, all of a sudden bad for our body... maybe if they would change it to moderation is key. They should really be attacking GRAINS and carbs.

I can see that it might be good not to eat an entire cow

Since animal products are harder and slower to digest than veggies, I can see that it might be good not to eat an entire cow at each meal. Both veggies and animal products have healthful properties if they are properly prepared and can be not so healthy if improperly prepared. So it seems the right balance of the two for the individual is a logical approach. And yeah, grains are bad news. Grains cause a whole host of health problems and they always have. And modern grains are much worse than those of the past.

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I didn't see it in there.

Eggs are dairy products.

Eggs are dairy products. Eggs have everything in them in order to make a baby chicken grow; heart, lungs, bones, a brain, and feathers too...all made from a sack of yolk. If a baby chickens life can be created with the essential "ingredients," and nutritional supplies contained in the yolk sack, they should be good for humans too.

"The building blocks of life," what are they....ah yes, PROTEINS!

Eggs are loaded with protein, and cholesterol! Oh goodness, not cholesterol! Your brain is made out of mostly...cholesterol, but no, no, you can't have that bad man!

Go get yourself some vegan, gluten free vegy pie! Yum!

(I once tried a gluten free pizza and wanted to barf...)

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Eggs are NOT dairy. Dairy is the harvesting of animal milk for

human consumption.

So if it isn't milk or a product made from it, it isn't dairy.

Cruelty free substitutes

There are plenty of substitutes that don't involve subjecting those whom we share the earth with to inhumane conditions.

I'm sorry that the only vegan food you had was a terrible gluten free pizza. Come to Korea and I'll cook you pizza without eggs that will have you begging for more :)

I eat lots of eggs.

We currently have seven chickens in our back yard, no cruelty involved. They get sunlight, fresh grass and bugs, and we get excellent eggs. Of course, you can't POSSIBLY accept that, since, according to you,


Your ideas defy ages of human history. Sure, the factory-farm crap isn't good for you, but the organic meat? It's very good for you.

Im lookin to bow hunt

cant wait

Growth hormones are in eggs

The research shows that growth hormones that are necessary for baby chicks, calves, etc. are detrimental and can be deadly in adult humans -- causing things from aging to cancer.

A famous plastic surgeon told me once that if you want an anti-aging diet, all you have to do is cut out animal products because they all contain growth hormones. It surprised me when he said that, but then I noticed that he was right -- look at vegans objectively, you'll notice that they look decidedly younger than everyone else.

If you watch the video, you'll hear about that subject and more.

Apparently MOST growth

Apparently MOST growth hormones are killed by cooking, so just cook your eggs and then problem solved. Furthermore, why not just invest in a chicken or two and get your own "guilt free" eggs.


1. readily seen; exposed to sight; open to view; visible: The crack in the wall was readily apparent.
2. capable of being easily perceived or understood; plain or clear; obvious: The solution to the problem was apparent to all.
3. according to appearances, initial evidence, incomplete results, etc.; ostensible rather than actual: He was the apparent winner of the election.
4. entitled to a right of inheritance by birth, indefeasible except by one's death before that of the ancestor, to an inherited throne, title, or other estate.

I don't think the word you used expresses the statement to be communicated.
It isn't apparent: You'll have to reference the study that proved such a claim before we can accept this.


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Google it, you clown. Oh

Google it, you clown. Oh sorry about the mispelling. 0 Is your ego that big?