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Meat and Dairy Cause Cancer (T. Colin Campbell)

Alarming speech by Dr. Campbell (the China Study), who actually grew up on a dairy farm himself but became a vegan after seeing the results from his own research: animal products and their link to cancer.

A practically lone voice crying in the wilderness, it seems, considering the popularity of the low carb diets and the high consumption of animal products in general. We (and I include myself as a cheese lover) only want to hear what we want to hear, but the truth always comes out sooner or later.

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Are we able to process plant

Are we able to process plant energy as efficiently as ruminant herbivores? There's a reason ruminants have four stomachs.

i don't know

but it's not a plant. it is flesh & blood. what herbivores do you eat?

earlier someone posted that paleo diet consists of mostly plants 70 or even 80%

but it's not a plant. it is

but it's not a plant. it is flesh & blood. what herbivores do you eat?

Yeah, our digestive systems know how to handle flesh and blood. I try to stick to locally grown, grass fed cattle and pastured pork.

earlier someone posted that paleo diet consists of mostly plants 70 or even 80%

If you're interested in a plant heavy paleo diet, look at the Dr. Terry Wahls' Diet. She cured herself of MS.

thanks

i did see her TED talk, and that's where i learned the importance of iodine. i eat a plant based diet (cooked & raw vegetables, fruit), small amounts of grains like quinoa, and wild salmon once per week. it works for me.

i like dr. fuhrman's idea of G-bombs, slow burning poly nutrients: greens, beans, onions, mushrooms, berries & seeds.

...and wild salmon once per

...and wild salmon once per week. it works for me.

Wild salmon is native to your neck of the woods? Must be nice. :-)

The USDA recommends dairy

What does that tell you?

I don't know where you're getting your information from and I notice you haven't cited any studies, but it wouldn't surprise me if the studies you've seen that led you to that conclusion were funded by meat and/or dairy businesses.

I'd rather listen to researchers, such as Colin Campbell, who lose their government grants when they come out with conclusions that don't favor the monied interests of those on the USDA advisory board.

Hardcore paleo prohibits all dairy

So there goes your theory that it's all a big scam by the dairy industry. Who's left? The meat packers?

And lol about losing grants. Do you know how many scientists have lost tenure or grants because they went against the prevailing "grains are good" view? Far more than those who have told us that meat is bad, I'd wager.

You keep telling us to follow the money but refuse to follow it yourself.

The meat industry...

...is also on the USDA advisory board. Don't kid yourself -- the meat industry is a huge money-making business.

As far as grains, do you really think organic vegetable farmers have influence with the USDA? Not at all -- it's Big Agri that has that power. So, you see, I do follow the money.

dinahtab, sure, the meat

dinahtab, sure, the meat industry influences the USDA as does the dairy industry and for certain the GRAIN industry, especially corn. This is why the USDA recommendations include a higher number of servings of grain that anything else. Subsidies to the corn growers and the industries that process corn are probably the largest of all food subsidies.

So you give the grain growing part of Big Agri a pass because there are organic vegetable farmers? They have nothing to do with each other. That makes no sense at all.

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???

Look at who sits on the USDA advisory board and see if you find ANY who are organic farmers.

Please don't confuse organic grain and vegetable farmers with Big Agri and their processed grains and toxic vegetables.

Are you kidding?

Monsanto practically runs the USDA, and the FDA. I'm sure I don't need to explain the relevance.

I said organic vegetable growers

Monsanto products are not organic by any means. You must know that, of course.

We are talking about the

We are talking about the different influences on the USDA, and the FDA. Grain interests are overwhelmingly represented. Whether they are organic or not means nothing in this context. I suggest you watch the movie "Fat Head".

The USDA also recommends umpteen servings of GRAIN per day

The USDA also recommends umpteen servings of GRAIN per day.

dinahtab, you are a trip. You are seeing a tiny fraction of the big picture, yet are certain you're seeing it all and others are completely blind. One can witness this by reading your comments throughout this thread. It's really amazing.

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Again, Big Agri...

...advises the USDA, not the organic vegetable farmers. Again, follow the money. Campbell does not recommend nonorganic grains.

Yes, follow the money

Again, you are conflating organic vegetable farmers with Big Agri grain farmers. That makes not sense at all.

Yes, follow the money. Much of it goes to Big Agri GRAIN production.

The Paleo folks that you complain about don't recommend non organic meat. So what's your point.

You're comparing apples and oranges and pineapples and bananas. You're a fruit basket.

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Organic meat still causes cancer...

...because organic meat still has growth hormones, which have been shown in numerous objective studies to cause cancer (and aging).

Not to mention the plaque that meat, organic or nonorganic, causes in the arteries.

"Everything is permissible --but not everything is beneficial." (Corinthians 10:23)

especially to the corn industrial complex

"instead of following the money"

Yeah, following the huge government subsidies to the grain producers, especially to the corn industrial complex.

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No offense but its gunna be

No offense but its gunna be hard to pitch it as animal rights. Alot of us are hunters... and are working to stop buying meat and only living off the land.

I personally have nothing against hunting

But that's me. I wouldn't do that myself but that's also just me.

I do have a big problem with the inhumane treatment at factory farms. If people knew the horrible torture that goes on there, I'm sure they'd never touch factory farm meat again.

But this thread is really about the links to cancer and heart disease from animal protein.

I'm a former raw vegan, and

I'm a former raw vegan, and now choose to eat meat for health, environmental, and, actually, moral reasons. Check out "The Vegetarian Myth", it lays out some things you may not have thought of. Also a few websites on the health aspect: www.westonaprice.org www.marksdailyapple.com www.robbwolf.com

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It seems like many vegans and

It seems like many vegans and vegges approach this with a blind, religious-like zeal rather than rational logic.

Yeah, deforestation to plant domesticated crops is much more destructive than people hunting animals in the woods and picking wild, indigenous fruits, nuts, berries veggies etc. or even herding sheep and cattle.

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Logic

It seems like many vegans and vegges approach this with a blind, religious-like zeal rather than rational logic.

If you're using rational logic you would identify this post as a fallacy.

Furthermore, if you were to verify your next statement you would find that those slash-and-burn crops are used to feed animals.
Come on, these kinds of statements push me to become a vegetarian. Use honest logic.

Oh freakin please

After those slash and burn crops have been fed to animals, then what? It's all gone. The ecosystem is all gone. The damage to the earth has been done. Nature has been destroyed. The habitat for the wild animals is history. The mineral rich top soil quickly erodes away. The nutrient deficient crops are produced with the help of chemical fertilizers. People eat them and get fat and sick. Big petro makes out on the fertilizer and big agri makes out on the toxic crops, typically grains, that have been cultivated.

You need to think about the fertilizer that you are shoveling.

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The Point?

What's the point of this post? It's just stating the obvious, but doesn't uphold your previous argument (which was based on an ad hominem fallacy).
My point still stands that slash-and-burn is not a vegan-only problem. Animals consume more so slash-and-burn techniques would be better suited for them (rape the land and kill the animal, then move on).
Vegetarians are generally more into sustainability, which is a major motivational factor why they cut out meat entirely.

Like I said, there's better reasons to argue for an omnivorous diet and I'd get behind you for support if you did this, but fallacies and rhetoric make me take a complete opposite stance based on principle. I'll side with logic and reasoning first.

Absolutely. Many also don't

Absolutely. Many also don't take into account the amount of animals killed in modern harvesters/threshers, or poisoned by pesticides, or having their forest homes destroyed. Support for small family-owned organic farms that raise healthy animals is essential, IMO. Finding a hunter friend that will share/sell you some meat is also way better than factory farmed meat.

It is easy to say "I don't eat meat because I don't believe in hurting animals" but I eat meat and care as much about animals as anyone. We are part of nature; me catching and eating a fish is no different than a wolf eating a deer. Wolves are not immoral.

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The Wolf

The wolf would be immoral if they supported the meat industry though.

Seeing as we're not carnivores we not only have a choice not to kill, but we also have the choice not to support the industry.

I wish many more people would do as you say and pay their hunter friends for the food, but the obvious truth is people are supporting McDonalds/Tysons/etc. and trying to justify it by saying we're part of nature.

As soon as nature goes through the drive-thru to pick up a double-bacon bypass, I'll agree..

Very well put.

Very well put.

No sane person wants to be part of having animals poorly treated. We only buy organic, grass fed, free range, cage free beef pork and chicken. I've driven by some of those ginormous feed lot/slaughtering operations and the smell will kill you miles before you get to them. I don't want anything to do with products from such places and wish they didn't exist.

I agree on trying to get all that you can from local producers who you are confident in.

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i just dont understand why

I just dont understand why meat... something every civilization ever to exist has tried very hard to get. Is now, all of a sudden bad for our body... maybe if they would change it to moderation is key. They should really be attacking GRAINS and carbs.

I can see that it might be good not to eat an entire cow

Since animal products are harder and slower to digest than veggies, I can see that it might be good not to eat an entire cow at each meal. Both veggies and animal products have healthful properties if they are properly prepared and can be not so healthy if improperly prepared. So it seems the right balance of the two for the individual is a logical approach. And yeah, grains are bad news. Grains cause a whole host of health problems and they always have. And modern grains are much worse than those of the past.

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