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Meat and Dairy Cause Cancer (T. Colin Campbell)

Alarming speech by Dr. Campbell (the China Study), who actually grew up on a dairy farm himself but became a vegan after seeing the results from his own research: animal products and their link to cancer.

A practically lone voice crying in the wilderness, it seems, considering the popularity of the low carb diets and the high consumption of animal products in general. We (and I include myself as a cheese lover) only want to hear what we want to hear, but the truth always comes out sooner or later.

http://youtu.be/wcvC-hErx1g

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Where?

I didn't see it in there.

Eggs are dairy products.

Eggs are dairy products. Eggs have everything in them in order to make a baby chicken grow; heart, lungs, bones, a brain, and feathers too...all made from a sack of yolk. If a baby chickens life can be created with the essential "ingredients," and nutritional supplies contained in the yolk sack, they should be good for humans too.

"The building blocks of life," what are they....ah yes, PROTEINS!

Eggs are loaded with protein, and cholesterol! Oh goodness, not cholesterol! Your brain is made out of mostly...cholesterol, but no, no, you can't have that bad man!

Go get yourself some vegan, gluten free vegy pie! Yum!

(I once tried a gluten free pizza and wanted to barf...)

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Eggs are NOT dairy. Dairy is the harvesting of animal milk for

human consumption.

So if it isn't milk or a product made from it, it isn't dairy.

Cruelty free substitutes

There are plenty of substitutes that don't involve subjecting those whom we share the earth with to inhumane conditions.

I'm sorry that the only vegan food you had was a terrible gluten free pizza. Come to Korea and I'll cook you pizza without eggs that will have you begging for more :)

I eat lots of eggs.

We currently have seven chickens in our back yard, no cruelty involved. They get sunlight, fresh grass and bugs, and we get excellent eggs. Of course, you can't POSSIBLY accept that, since, according to you,

ANIMAL PRODUCTS ARE BAD BAD BAD!

Your ideas defy ages of human history. Sure, the factory-farm crap isn't good for you, but the organic meat? It's very good for you.

Im lookin to bow hunt

cant wait

Growth hormones are in eggs

The research shows that growth hormones that are necessary for baby chicks, calves, etc. are detrimental and can be deadly in adult humans -- causing things from aging to cancer.

A famous plastic surgeon told me once that if you want an anti-aging diet, all you have to do is cut out animal products because they all contain growth hormones. It surprised me when he said that, but then I noticed that he was right -- look at vegans objectively, you'll notice that they look decidedly younger than everyone else.

If you watch the video, you'll hear about that subject and more.

Apparently MOST growth

Apparently MOST growth hormones are killed by cooking, so just cook your eggs and then problem solved. Furthermore, why not just invest in a chicken or two and get your own "guilt free" eggs.

Apparent

ap·par·ent
adjective
1. readily seen; exposed to sight; open to view; visible: The crack in the wall was readily apparent.
2. capable of being easily perceived or understood; plain or clear; obvious: The solution to the problem was apparent to all.
3. according to appearances, initial evidence, incomplete results, etc.; ostensible rather than actual: He was the apparent winner of the election.
4. entitled to a right of inheritance by birth, indefeasible except by one's death before that of the ancestor, to an inherited throne, title, or other estate.

I don't think the word you used expresses the statement to be communicated.
It isn't apparent: You'll have to reference the study that proved such a claim before we can accept this.

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See next post.

Google it, you clown. Oh

Google it, you clown. Oh sorry about the mispelling. 0 Is your ego that big?

Win

As soon as one person in an argument fails to validate their claims and/or resorts to ad hominem fallacy they have lost.
You have done both.

Then find meat that doesn't contain growth hormones

It's easy to find as long as you have a little ambition to go beyond your local supermarket. Whole Foods stores have organic meats, and so do many small butchers and farmer's markets.

And vegans looking younger than everyone else? I can give you a couple useless anecdotes of my own: Look how many "celebrity" vegans die early because of cancers or heart attack: David Jones, Michael Clarke Duncan, Robin Gibb, the list goes on and on. And as for the vegans who do live to a ripe old age, almost all of them suffer from some level of sarcopenia.

We have a vegan couple in the neighborhood who do McDougall

We have a vegan couple in the neighborhood who do the McDougall diet. He's 80 yrs old and looks 100, and acts like a whacked out 15 yr old. She cheats on the diet a bit, looks better but is still a mental fried-pie. I jokingly say they're suffering from "grain brain."

To me, most vegans look gray and pasty like McDougall and look like death is right around the corner.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

Surely, you don't mean John...

All meat contains growth hormones

All animals are killed before they're old. Therefore, they still have growth hormones, fyi.

Vegetarians eat dairy and many, if not most, vegans eat isolated soy protein, both of which are linked to certain cancers (and dairy's being linked to heart disease as well). So I'm afraid your point is lost there when you point out a few celebrities.

If that's your criteria...

... then you contain growth hormones.

How do you explain the very low incidence of cancers in societies which eat almost 100% meat such as the Inuit and The Masai? They must be full of (natural) animal hormones, but have a far lower incidence of disease than those eating a western diet.

In other posts in this thread you make much ado about asking for references. So I ask the same of you: Please show us the clinical studies which back up your claims that natural animal growth hormones cause cancer or any other disease.

Here's a few references

By the way, did you watch the video? If you don't want to watch the video, then check these out, for starters (and follow the money). I think you'll find these interesting at the very least:

Eating Meat Increases Cancer Risk By Up To 300%:
http://business.inquirer.net/66739/eating-meat-increases-can...

Grass-Fed Animal Agriculture
http://www.tcolincampbell.org/courses-resources/article/gras...

Animal protein & fat raise endometrial cancer risk
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2007/03/21/health-endometrial-...

Too Much Of Animal Protein May Lead To Cancer
http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news/Too-Much-Of-Animal...

Natural killer Cells, Vitamins, and Other Blood Components of Vegetarian and Omnivorous Men.
Animal Protein As a Carcinogen:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2771803

Fat and Protein Intake and Subsequent Breast Cancer Risk in Postmenopausal Women:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12235640

Why Limit Animal Proteins?
http://www.webnd.com/why-limit-animal-proteins.php

Okay, let's look at these.

Let's go through your references one by one.

1. This is a questionnaire study which grouped things like "hamburgers" under the "red meat" category. The researchers sent out a form to a bunch of people who then had to remember what they ate for the past few years, and write it down. This sort of study cannot prove cause and effect. In fact, one prominent researcher went so far as to say that the conclusions drawn in 90% of all observational/questionnaire studies are wrong.

2. This study appears on T Colin Campbell's website thus is obviously biased.

3. This is another questionnaire study, only given to people who were recently diagnosed with endometrial cancer. Again, such a study cannot be used to prove any sort of cause and effect.

4. This is not a study, just an article recapping the experiment from the China Study, already thoroughly debunked by Denise Minger.

5. This study amounts to a single blood test where one group are professed vegetarians and the other group are not. The study concludes that vegetarian white blood cells are more active than in non-vegetarians. However, there are no criteria required for the non-vegetarian group. Almost all vegetarians are more health conscious than the average non-vegetarian, but of course that confounding variable isn't taken into account. This is a single examination study, rather than a clinical or observational study, and while more credible than an observational study, is still prone to such confounding variables.

6. Yet another questionnaire study. Asking women what they ate over a 5.5 year period and comparing the answers to who got cancer.

7. Your final link is not a study, but an article which actually references a couple of the inconclusive studies you gave above.

So, do you have any clinical studies which support your view? Because here are a few clinical studies which support mine:

1. Primary Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease with a Mediterranean Diet - http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1200303 - This clinical study compared a low-fat, mostly animal free diet (just fish) with a higher fat Mediterranean diet including animal fats and red meat. The study was stopped halfway through because the low-fat group was dying of heart disease at a far faster rate.

2. A case-control study of the association of diet and obesity with gout in Taiwan. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14522726 - This clinical study followed a group of men and rigourously assessed their diet. Those who ate more animal fat had a 20% decreased risk of gout, while those who ate predominately plants had a 10% increased risk of gout.

3. A low-fat diet decreases high density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol levels by decreasing HDL apolipoprotein transport rates. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2104877 - A four week clinical study comparing a high fat, animal based diet with a low-fat grain based diet. Those on the low-fat diet had higher LDL (bad cholesterol) and triglycerides than the high fat group by the end of the study.

4. Cardiovascular disease in the Masai. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0368131964... - Research done on 400 men of the Masai tribe who live on a 100% meat + milk diet. Not a single one of the men examined showed evidence of heart disease. A single examination study in that the researchers couldn't prove that the Masai they were testing hadn't been temporarily vegetarian for a week before examination.

5. Vegan diets may lead to malnutrition and growth retardation in infants. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6812012 - A single examination of infants brought into the hospital where the parents volunteered that they were vegan. 25 infants showed signs of malnutrition, while 47 showed signs of growth retardation. The main source of nutrition for most of these infants was a soya milk preparation.

6. Dietary zinc intake of vegetarian and nonvegetarian patients with anorexia nervosa. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/1098-108X(199303)13:2%3C229::AID-EAT2260130211%3E3.0.CO;2-1/abstract - An examination of zinc levels of anorexia nervosa patients. A secondary finding of the study was that although only 3.2% of the US population are vegetarian, approximately half of all sufferers of anorexia nervosa are self-declared vegetarians.

7. Long-Term Ovo-Lacto Vegetarian Diet Impairs Vitamin B-12 Status in Pregnant Women. http://jn.nutrition.org/content/134/12/3319.abstract - Vegetarian and non-vegetarian women were followed during pregnancy, their diets monitored and blood taken regularly. Vegetarian women were 7 times more likely to have a potentially damaging vitamin B-12 deficiency than non-vegetarians.

All of the studies I listed are clinical or single examination studies. No questionnaires, or studies of studies. All of them have hard conclusions which show real cause and effect. When you can come up with some of your own that show meat causes cancer, or any other western malady, then we can start talking. Until then, all you're doing is blowing propaganda smoke.

If Denise Minger is your source...

...of information, it's no wonder you're so confused about this subject.

I'll agree with you

... that it's as unfair of me to dismiss T. Colin Campbell because he has some letters after his name, as it is unfair of you to dismiss Denise Minger because she doesn't.

I've watched the video, and read parts of the China Study. In contrast, it's obvious you are refusing to read Denise Minger's lengthy and well referenced critique of the China Study because you fear that it would challenge your world view.

Mercola?

Now you're getting desperate.

Google cardiac surgeon Caldwell Esselstyn, who knew patients' diets just by what he pulled out of their arteries (as another poster said, it wasn't strawberries) and who himself became a vegan after seeing what was in his patients' arteries.

It doesn't take a heart surgeon to know what clogs the arteries. It's really just common sense.

The GMO's In Everthing

are the REAL culprits! Heart Disease too. Not to mention all the other pollutants.

skippy

Everything causes cancer now.

So more meat for me.

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Because more people are selenium deficient.

The connection between cancer and selenium deficiency was published in 1912.

Selenium deficient rats in Indian experiment developed cancer.

Selenium deficient humans in China developed cancer.

This confounding variable was ignored to push the Monsanto agenda.

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Being Alive

causes cancer. Get over it.

skippy

Actually, being acidic does.

At least according to the man who was awarded a Nobel Prize in medicine for curing cancer in 1937.

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Well said

The acidity in animal products is very high. Not so in plant-based products, of course. So not only cancer but arthritis can be stopped and sometimes even reversed by avoiding the animal products, as McDougall's patients have attested to.