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Old People Are Cool.

"I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book." -Groucho Marx

I have to disagree with Groucho ever so slightly. Since I'm only around a tv every couple of months I find these rare encounters both educational and thought provoking. For instance, I still wonder how this GEICO insurance company is able to market its 'product' by depicting a pretty girl on a date with a pig.

Another commercial that really opened a Pandora's box for me is a little older than that one and you've all seen it hundreds of times - the LifeAlert ad featuring former U.S. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop.

I remarked to my viewing companion "Do you think it's kind of offensive that they are still using that guy to sell their gizmo when he's been dead for, like, 20 years?"

"C. Everett Koop died?! When?"

"I don't know. Let's look it up."

"...reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated." -Mark Twain

Well, guess what? Not only is he not dead, he's not a lot of other things as well. He's not single - he remarried in 2010 after the death of his first wife of 68 years, Elizabeth, in 2007. He's not retired - he currently serves on the Director's Council of Firestorm Solutions (http://www.firestorm.com/about/who-we-are/c-everett-koop.html). And he's showing no signs of retiring despite his 96 and 1/2 years on earth.

Which brings me to everyone's favorite 'old guy,' another doctor by the name of Paul, and the alternate title for this article: Ron Paul Mulls 2028 Presidential Bid.

I don't know if Ron Paul was serious when he told Jay Leno he was getting ready for a 2016 presidential run. And I'd be perfectly fine with him not ever running for any office again. He's stated in many ways that this country is ours to reclaim, and all accusations of hero-worship aside, it is never wise or healthy to put ones faith in a single man, when we should have faith in ourselves acting with the grace of God to take back our government.

"I'll be mellow when I'm dead." -'Weird' Al Yankovic

But I wouldn't be surprised either if Ron Paul did decide to run again in 2016. Or 2020. Or 2024. Or 2028. After all, he did previously take a dozen years off from his congressional career before reentering the arena in 1997. He'll absolutely have the support of the people in that 2028, the 40th anniversary of his first presidential candidacy and 50th anniversary of his political career. And he won't even be that old, either. Like George Burns, like Jack LaLanne, like my dearly departed granny, and like America's doctor C. Everett Koop, he'll still be going strong, doing something important and relevant, well into his '90s.

Ron Paul, too old? Ha! Ask him how he feels in 15 years...

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Rand Paul is going to have to switch to Democrat and infiltrate the Democratic party. Ron Paul 2016.

almost 100

my grandfather will be 99 in july.
i moved to Texas 20 years ago and moved him from his huge waterfront Long Island home 2 years ago.
I am not so young and became a delegate for the Dr.
Long story short, my gpa was a "newt" supporter.
When he heard about the "team sports" at the "R" team conventions from me, he voted for the Dr. in the primary and general election.
Yes, old people are cool and smart!

There is one less cool guy in the world...

C. Everett Coop died today.

Shed a tear with me.

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Rise up

Thou shalt rise up before the hoary head, and honour the face of the old man, and fear thy God: I am the LORD(YHUH). Lev 19:32


Hear, O Israel: YHUH our God YHUH one. And thou shalt love YHUH thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

This is an awesome thread

Love the personal stories.

Once a man I worked for told me about his early years, working for Thomas Edison as a child and later working on the Apollo projects with Bendix Corp as a machinist team lead. His name is on a plaque on the moon. He described how pivotal, world changing events actually transpired. He took great joy in telling me how often a non-PHD holding, working class Joe solved the big problems while the academics argued about theoretical doubts & perfection.

I love old people because they are our connection to the lessons learned. They can save us from making the same mistakes they did. If we listen.

In case anyone may know what happened to my old friend, the man I'm talking about is named Otto "Bob" Oswald. When I knew him in Bound Brook, New Jersey, circa 1991, he was 72 years old. I swear he looked 50. I loved that old dude and I miss him.

I'm lucky to often talk to older folks for my job.

Seems to be they are the ones who truly understand libertarian way of thought but they don't usually understand it to be "Libertarian". They remember what it was like to be free and seem to recognize more than anyone else, what we are losing and how quickly things are changing.

I remember a teacher when I was in elementary school, explaining government, rights, laws, etc.. He said 'in general' we had the right to do anything we wanted to do, as long as it did not interfere with the rights of anyone else. Rang true to my heart then and still does. Can't remember the name of that teacher but it was 40 years ago anyway... Would love to know him now.

Old, Wise People

These stories are making me cry... in a heart-warming way. Thank you for sharing your personal life. It means a lot!

yes we (about 1/2 of us)...

...are ;-)

Former "fairly hip hippie" here, bumping up to either kind of old young person or still young oldster territory....

I may be old, but...

(Not a bad group to have be your first: the Beatles, 1964.)

My grandmother lived many years on her own after my grandfather died. Then when she was 90, she developed cataracts. After she fell one time, she stopped her daily walks to the store and to visit friends. Even though she had the eye surgery, she retained her fear of falling. Then living a more sedentary life, she only lived until 93.

My father had a stroke when he was 80. They said he might never walk or speak again. Hah! He survived the Battle of the Bulge; he wasn't going to let a stroke keep him down. Up until maybe the week before he died, at 90, once my mother helped him out of bed, she went back to sleep; and, if it took him a v-e-r-y long time, moving around one inch at a time with the walker, and with only the use of one hand, his left, he still set the table and made her a pot of coffee - just as he'd done every day their whole lives together.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Old people stories, eh?

A few years ago my sisters and I and my cousin went out to a nice place for dinner with our wealthy aunt. She was in her late 80's and had gotten weary of having to dress for dinner so she sallied forth in her sweats, covered up with her mink coat.

Just yesterday and old friend in her 90's died. When she was in her 80's she still practiced excellent fashion, was always very well dressed, kept a big collection of up-to-date shoes, and dyed her hose to match her outfits. She is also memorable for the great stories she told of her past.

"In dog years..."

..I'm dead."
I more and more appreciate the recollection of that T-shirt I saw in the lobby of the Royal Waikoloan when I was a mere snot-nosed punk of 41. Now, a decade and a half later, everything hurts a little bit more, and life remains just as exciting and precious as ever. A little more than half way through my FIRST century and I am just as eager as I was in 1988 to vote for The Good Doctor.
Tipping my hat right back atcha!

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The historical perspective is always useful/fascinating

I have both a 80 year old father in law and a habit of reading libertarian accounts of 20th century history, and it's always wonderful/bizarre to confirm this stuff with him.

He has a bar menu from when he served in Korean war (he was stationed in Germany though). Beer is a nickel, wine is a dime, a roast beef sandwich is a dime, a bottle of cognac is $1.50. "What has government done to our money!" I get to shout.

Was containing communism in this primitive backwater 10,000 miles away really the reason to have war with Korea? "Yes," he replies "sounds kind of silly now. But we swallowed it whole back then."

Did you hear about Operation Starvation in WWII? The US caused the death of 10,000,000 Asians! (and we thought the Nazis had a monopoly on murder/evil). He remembers precisely "Oh yes, it was news that we had to kill all of them"

I read that high schools used to have vocational AND college prep tracks for kids? That sounds smart. "Oh yes" he replies, "they actually had three tracks. Not everybody was supposed to think they had to go to college."

During the depression, did they really ration goods with coupons? "Yes, my father owned a grocery store. Everyone had to have government coupons to purchase goods."

It's good stuff. But usually I have to bring up the history and he confirms and then expands. Unfortunately it doesn't occur to him to just remember and tell it.

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My story about old person:

I am an upholsterer. I received a job doing a couple very old airplane seats. The man came to pick them up, although couldn't walk to my door so I had to bring them to him. He said he was dying of prostate and bone cancer, and wanted to fly, so he was finishing up flying instructions, and had bought an old yellow plane to fix up. He told me his name, and I had recognized it as a local man who was put in jail by the local "county planner/dictator" who had also harassed me and many others in the county. Once the dirty deeds that this planner had done came out into the open, the county had decided to keep an eye on him, but being the dictator type, he quit. So, this old gentleman who was sick, told me that the county commishioners had said to him that he was the reason that the planner had quit. I said, "Well that makes you a hero!" So, anyway, I said, so, when you get your pilots license, will you fly over my house and dip your wings? (I live 30 miles from any town). Well, about a month later I heard a small plane, and sure enough a yellow plane circled my house 3 times, dipping their wing each time. He was heading to another state to spend the rest of his life with his high school sweetheart.

Thanks for that.

My dad was born with a non-functional hip, so as an infant, they took part of his ankle and made him a hip. This was in the 1920's, they used ether on him and he said he remembered almost dying.
When he retired, he took flying lessons. I got to ride "co-pilot" in the little Cessna his instructor would rent to him. He only kept it up for a few years due to the cost, but he really loved flying, and I loved flying with him.
Anyway, after he died my mother said something that really struck me: "He can finally run." I suddenly realized what flying meant to him. I had never thought of him as five year old boy, unable to run. That "joystick" on his plane could not have been more aptly named.
Thanks for making me remember those times.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Secondhand Lions.

By the time I finished reading your second sentence, all I could think of was "Secondhand Lions", a film with Robert Duval and Michael Caine, which has become a favorite with 3 generations of our family. The story begins with the end... flying upside down through a barn door in an old plane. They died as they lived ("really lived", as the story will show), "with their boots on... that's the important thing". A wonderful lesson for both young and old, with much love and big laughs. I know many here on DP would love that film.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox


Thanks for the reminder. Funny, profane, and profound.

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Im not sure if it were you..

that recommended that movie a few weeks ago.. but I looked it up and watched it.

Wonderful film!!

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Several weeks ago, if not months ago, I did

recommend that film on the weekend watching thread. Just can't see that movie often enough. It is something really special that all generations can relate to.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

I, too,

LOVED that movie.

My thanks to Chris and all the people commenting so far.

It's a surprise to see a post about old people that isn't bashing them... er... me. There is so much we have to learn from each other, young and old. I love learning new things from the young people as much as I love teaching them about other things. Together, we can make all the differences between us meaningless and continue on the path to freedom.

A special thanks to fishyculture. Fishy's story (below) brought me comfort. It warms my heart to know someone understands how things are with old couples and holds that with respect. It isn't easy when one is in that kind of situation but, knowing that someone on the outside understands and respects that situation, makes the burden a little lighter for the healthier spouse to carry.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

20 years working in ophthalmology

meant most of the patients were old folks. Young folks see optometrists for glasses, old folks see ophthalmologists to have cataracts removed - those are the things that drive eye care.
Old people are awesome. Sure, there were a few curmudgeons but I even enjoyed them most of the time. At the risk of stereotyping, let me say these are generalities, your geriatric mileage may very.
Tact. Old people know how to tell you to go to hell and make you happy to be going on a trip.
Honesty. Old people don't care what you think of them, and won't hesitate to tell you what they think of you.
Wisdom. At least once a week, I'd see some old codger who had not been to the doctor in years, occasionally I would meet one that had never been to a doctor. When folks start to go blind, they seek help. When I would take their history, they would be on no medications, never had any surgery, and be healthy as a horse - just some cataracts forming. They were their own health care providers, and they had a healthy, long life to prove the efficacy of their methods.
Compassion. Several couples where one is mentally gone. It is so sad, these people have been married for decades, and the one is now acting as parent for the other. If you do not believe that love is worth the risk, or that love is not powerful, you have never met a couple like the couples I met. One couple in particular... In their 80's, and he was still sharp as a tack. She was pretty much gone. Still smiled a lot, but not sure where she was or why. He would get up and spend an hour with her putting on make up and doing her hair, because that was so routine for her that it was still important to her. He did this whether they were going any where or not. And he was grateful for that morning routine, it was when he could glimpse a little shadow of his beloved.
"Honor thy mother and thy father" is good advice and a lost art. I am entering the "old people" zone myself, 51 this month. I am tired of hearing about how the old people ruined this country from the young punks who do not understand this "divide and conquer" tactic. We need old people, and we need to listen to them and cherish them.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

I'm old and I honestly don't care what people think

about anything I do:



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Great story fishy. I talked a bit about my grandfather below... My grandma dealt with Alzheimer's for about ten years, and I saw what you described first hand. Amazing.

(When I said he was still "chasing tail", I meant in a good natured way, lots of flirting just to let the world know "I still got it", LOL. I think he used this as a weapon at the craps tables, and when a young greenhorn would toss a weak roll halfway across the table, causing grandpa to lose the huge pile of chips he had riding on various carefully calculated numbers, the 'stinkeye' they received was usually enough to send them packing and get the table back on track. This went on until 3am every time we took a family trip to Vegas, even on his 90th birthday.)

But when it came to grandma, it was pure love and devotion. Ask anyone in my family how many times they caught the grandparents smooching in the hallway when they thought nobody was around... LOL.

Over the years I've mentioned on the DP several times how when grandpa died, we found a 2005 donation to RP in his checking account ledger. He was a lifelong Democrat.

One day we'll be the 'old sages' from the dawn of the internet era. I'm certainly looking forward to it!


'Old people know how to tell you to go to hell and make you happy to be going on a trip.'

Thats good. :)

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Thank you for the smile :))

Thank you for the smile :))

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Thanks. It's what I do. :)

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Ha ha ha

Most amusing.

He's the man.

Thanks Michael.


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