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Incredible Speech on Gun Violence

http://youtu.be/hY2JR92Scmk

Published on Jan 28, 2013
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Gun Violence Prevention Working Group Public Hearing - Hartford, CT - 1/28/2013



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A remarkable preformance

Calling the Second Amendment a "Doomsday Provision" is an act of genius demonstrating a grasp on the subject that many of us, as born Americans, fail to comprehend.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

That was a great presentation.

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This made my day

This made my day

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Made mine, too.

Made mine, too.

So much so.

Still does.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Simply Amazing

more like this man please.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

The military can't operate without obedient soldiers

You assume that soldiers in mass will decide to take arms against the mostly law abiding gun owners of this country. I have a little more faith in the people that make up our police and military. They have families just like you and believe in America and defending the rights that this country espoused.

Not all, but many and that's all that matters.

Yes we are not equally equipped with drones and Apache helicopters but if you have spent any time overseas in a combat zone, that never stopped 3rd world insurgents from fighting back. Ask the people of Afghanistan how their obsolete arms helped them survive some of the greatest invasion forces the modern world has ever seen. Ask the founders about fighting the British.

This country will fall when you and I admit defeat, not because we are outgunned by the government.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
www.yaliberty.org - Young Americans for Liberty
www.ivaw.org/operation-recovery - Stop Deploying Traumatized Troops

That speaker was GREAT!

Really.

I hate to rain on anybody's parade, but if the issue here is

that having assault weapons, we will be on equal footing with the government should an armed revolution be in order - that is pure fantasy.

Has anybody seen the footage taken from assault helicopters in Afghanistan? Any poor fool on the ground who even LOOKS LIKE he might be carrying a weapon, is assumed to have an AK47 and is immediately mowed down with 50 caliber machine gun fire, as an insurgent. And if he ducks into a building, the building is immediately taken out by means of missile.

NOTHING we can buy, puts us on the same footing as the military. NOTHING evens our odds, even slightly.

Using the testimony given by this guy, we can see that the 2nd Amendment was meant to let us buy the weapons commonly used today. That would include attack helicopters etc. so that the government does not maintain an inherent superiority over us. THATS the gist of US being a "militia" - but that ability has been outlawed years ago.

An AK47 gives us an advantage IF we have armed civilian group against armed civilian group - much like the gangs that took over when the Soviet Union fell.

But don't in your wildest dreams, think that anything like an AK47 will do a thing to help us fight a tyranical government attack.

In war half of the mission

is to acquire the weaponry and supplies necessary to achieve your goal. The other half is to weed out the armchair or keyboard warriors who do nothing but talk and spread defeatism. Do you think that the members of the military who honor their oath to the Constitution are going to come to us empty handed? Don't you think there are individuals savvy enough to understand that any resistance is dependent upon the capture of the opposing sides weaponry? Have you ever seen what a small laser can do when flashed inside the cabin of a helicopter or plane? Things such as this will be utilized to even the stakes a bit. In war there are sacrifices and those sacrifices might mean going out with just an AK or AR. There are times a commander must send warriors on a mission that he knows they won't return from and you can bet your bottom dollar that will happen many times if and when the SHTF. People die in uprisings and contrary to popular belief there isn't a reset that makes them miraculously regenerate. Such is war, it's a situation to be avoided at high cost but one to be dutifully engaged in to preserve our liberty, what's the worst they can do nuke us? I, for one, really don't think the armed forces are the ones we will face, rather it will be the minions of the alphabet agencies whose only loyalties are to their own career advancement and to promote their inflated cowboy egos. Remember and prepare for Waco and Ruby Ridge and to act as bloodthirsty and ruthlessly as they. And for God's sake, don't leave a manifesto behind.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

Absolutely Not

Having fought insurgents on two separate occasions, I can tell you that air superiority is an advantage, but when facing an angry population it is at best a poor advantage. We win fights in Afghanistan and Iraq because we are trained and because most of the people are just as angry at them for bringing war to their country. In most places, the first thing that the insurgents do when they get to town is disarm the locals. Look at all the Arab regimes right now that are falling, some just gave up when the protests go too bad.

When SHTF, grab the AR your bought, go to the nearest gun range and find a guy who can teach you how to shoot and fight. Don't buy into this "military only" BS. If an armed citizenry was no problem for a dictatorship, they wouldn't be trying to disarm us would they?

Freedom IS Free - Its ludicrous foreign wars of aggression that

are expensive and that threaten our freedom through blowback.

"If an armed citizenry was no problem for a dictatorship, they wouldn't be trying to disarm us would they?" They want us EASY - like a cheap date.

ANY battles you win overseas are 100% due to superior weapons. THEY have skin in it. THEY are fighting aggressors in THEIR lands. YOU are simply using superior weapons and doing a job you are paid to do.

Locals are not angry at "insurgents" for bringing war. They are angry that they are often inconvenient collateral damage to US weapons in wars the US should never be involved with in the first place.

Apparently you haven't seen this website entitled "You WILL give up your guns when they come for them."

http://dollarvigilante.com/blog/2012/7/30/when-they-come-for...

I love that guys like you are at least willing to talk here

So you think Iraqis love AQI, Afghans love the Taliban? Maybe they like having their elders beheaded, their kids drafted, being forced to grow opium? Do you have some kind of experience with these people that makes you believe this, or does all your information come from the internet and RT?

I have no desire to defend the last 10 years of destruction as some kind of patriotic necessity for freedom. But I signed up believing that this country was what it claimed to be, and did my job with honor until I could leave. You won't find any blood on my hands. Nor will you find it on the hands of most soldiers.

I like your link, and I know exactly what that vehicle is, what its weaknesses are, how it feels to be cramped inside a metal can with the sun beating on it, with tiny metal slits for viewing. If you're too scared to fight, then just stay the hell out of my way if/when something goes down. I also know there are millions of veterans in this country who are OATHKEEPERS, and wish that they could honestly say you're welcome when someone says "thanks for defending my freedom." I spend hours posting countries and dictatorships who have been taken down by an armed populace, often with the help of the military. Egypt comes to mind as a recent, though poor, example.

I see this was taken off the front page. A shame because the video is fantastic, but at least we can have a real conversation without ruining the DPs message. If you want to know what the wars were like, I'm right here. There's a hell of a lot that you can't learn on you tube or from a biased source. The strongest and most fervent cadre of libertarians you will find come out of the military. Don't forget it.

And there are at least five kinds of armored troop carriers

pictured on that link. Not just one.

I don't hold what the military did and does against you personally of course. But I cringe when I see things like the lastest commercial for the Navy broadcast on NFL games.

The tag line is:

"The Navy. A global force for GOOD."

Wow.

And who GAVE Afghanistan the Taliban? Who armed them to

take on the Soviet Union? Who financed Al Qaeida in the early years? Who propped up Mubarak with nearly $2 billion per year in aid? Who deposed a democratically elected leader in Iran, in the 1950's and installed the bloodthirsty Shah - which resulted in a Muslim revolution?

All of these questions have the same answer - the USA did.

So the same problems we are supposedly fighting to solve - we BEGAN with our meddling.

And we are about to do the same thing in Syria. And why? Because the powers that be see perpetual war as justifiable economic stimulus (its the only one both parties go along with) and in order to make millionaires and billionaires of defense contractors.

You HAVE blood on your hands if you were over there, whether you admit it or not. SOMEBODY held those weapons. SOMEBODY pulled those triggers. And the trials at Nuremberg long ago showed us that "following orders" is no excuse.

It just isn't true

We had nothing to do with creating the Taliban. They didn't exist until years after the soviets withdrew. If anything, we are to blame for discontinuing our aid when they needed it most. They were a defensive militia responding to mujahideen excesses that got power hungry and slaughtered their own people. http://www.rawa.org/times.htm I have no idea why you think we finance Al Qaeda, other than the obvious war on drugs. None of those vehicles are particularly serious, and it wouldn't take you long on wikipedia or global security if you wanted nomenclature and performance statistics. The pics are of a stryker, MRAPs, and a weird looking BRDM.

Is Afghanistan's problem foreign intervention? Hell yes, from the world writ large since the dawn of man. There's absolutely no need to defend the last ten years, and there's also absolutely no need to pretend that the military as a whole is the guilty party and not the policy makers and voters who approved and sent us into these situations. If I'm guilty of anything, it's loyalty to the citizens of this country. And you know what, maybe the Navy is completely out of it's gourd, but you should be happy that that's what they aspire to be. The answer might just be more education and openness, not infighting and threats of war-tribunals that will never happen. I'm sure Richard Phillips thinks they've done some good, so do the people of Sumatra and Indonesia. I can also tell you that we have built roads, dams, infrastructure, provided medicine that saved thousands if not millions of children's lives. We have paid for food relief during droughts and countless other humanitarian actions. The Karma scales are weighted on both sides.

What I and many others are guilty of is wading into a disgustingly gray situation with no idea of how to fix it. Is that having blood on my hands? Maybe, but instead of going home or quitting, I did my best to fix it. The triggers pulled were against those trying to kill me first. The same guys who would and sometimes did kill any decent Afghan who stood up for their family, or offered a patrol some bread and tea because their extraordinary sense of hospitality commands it.

Look, I have nothing against you for being angry, you should be. But your anger is profoundly misdirected. Even RP voted for the initial invasion of Afghanistan. RP as you might recall, spent two years in the air force during Vietnam. Blood on his hands? Yeah, the blood of those people whose lives he saved as a flight surgeon. Peace movement, end foreign intervention, open real investigations into the decisions we've been making, rock on. There's nothing peaceful about turning the gun around and starting a war in the other direction. The military is one of the few organizations in this country who still believes in the constitution, including civilian control. That's a huge reason the population is so profoundly disconnected from us. Your fight may include some of us, but as sexy as a simple solution is, there's a hell of a lot more to the problem than that.

CIA worked with Pakistan to create the Taliban.

"LONDON: The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) worked in tandem with Pakistan to create the "monster" that is today Afghanistan's ruling Taliban, a leading US expert on South Asia said here.

"I warned them that we were creating a monster," Selig Harrison from the Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars said at the conference here last week on "Terrorism and Regional Security: Managing the Challenges in Asia."

Harrison said: "The CIA made a historic mistake in encouraging Islamic groups from all over the world to come to Afghanistan." The US provided $3 billion for building up these Islamic groups, and it accepted Pakistan's demand that they should decide how this money should be spent, Harrison said......"

http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/pak.htm

You mean the Mujahideen

The CIA funneled arms to Pakistan to fight the soviets, true. And Pakistan often favored islamic groups, for a lot of heinous reasons. But after that he's conflating groups into the Taliban. Some groups, like Hekmatayr and the Haqqani network were part of the soviet fight and are still insurgent groups today. They often go by the name "Taliban" the same way that groups will call themselves Al Qaeda just to get the message across. But they never controlled Afghanistan, they didn't slaughter the hazaras, and they used to fight the Taliban. The Taliban didn't exist until 1994, five years after the soviets left and we stopped giving a shit.

Yeah, a lot of our weapons probably ended up with them, we give aid to Pakistan and Pakistan uses tribal insurgents to keep afghanistan quiet and as a weapon against india. But the role the CIA played in creating the Taliban is at best indirect and you have to really go out of your way to pretend that the US started the fighting in Afghanistan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban But really, I just use them for the date.

Oh that's just BS to downvote

Oh that's just BS to downvote anonymously. You think anyone else actually reads these posts two days later? Whatever, I can agree to disagree on this last one.

What about semi-automatic .50

What about semi-automatic .50 caliber rifles (essentially sniper rifles)? They are incredibly expensive but as far as I know they are legal to buy. I'm sure the assault weapons ban would make it illegal to buy one but I'm sure a few .50 cal shots could bring down a helicopter if hit in the right area(s).

THEY have hundreds of fully automatic .50 caliber machineguns

rockets, troop carriers, tanks, planes etc etc etc.

And you think we might have a chance with a few ultraexpensive .50 caliber semiautomatic rifles?

Somebody has been watching too many movies.

Just saying - in the woods

Just saying - in the woods with the proper camo, damage can be done. If they can do it in the sand, we can do it in the woods, in the tall grass, and lets not forget urban areas. If you don't have a fighting spirit when shizzle hits the fan, you might as well roll over and die. This has nothing to do with movies.

"I would like to note that the Govt IS NOT the State-

We are the State."

Gave me a few goose-bumps and probably gave a few legislators chills.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

I LOVE THIS GUY!!!

This foreigner turned American knows more about the 2nd Amendments purpose then do those uneducated panel of bureaucrats sitting as a group who considers themselves to be OUR masters.

This guy hit the nail on the head, especially with the last part of his statement.

He is definitely an AMERICAN, no matter where he came from!

And those nasty bureaucrats, they on the other hand are NOT true Americans!

Liberty lives in our hearts. And the 2nd Amendment is a reminder that the Liberty that lives is SOOOO FEW hearts comes to a point where when all else fails, it IS OUR DUTY to save it!

Love Liberty, be Vigilant

"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty" (2 Corinthians 3:17)

Faith in God will prevail all things!

Using the govt's own sources and reports against it

This is how the reformation succeeded...in quoting the likes of Augustine and Aquinas and using the Catholic Church's own approved theologies by priest and saints of the Catholic Church, they were able to defend themselves with the church's own theology when persecuted.

Can't Upvote This Enough!

This guy needs to go around to schools and speak!

skippy

That was very eloquently put

I would like to buy him a beer

Great

speech, great delivery. If only collectivists in GOP & DEM could think rationally and not from the heart.

Isn't it amazing that immigrants appreciate our founding .....

principles MORE than MOST Americans.

I blame that on the Main Stream Brainwashers called the media, as well as the public school turned indoctrination centers.

Immigration is healthy when people come to stand for the American Principles that made us America.

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Btw, dear America, that is when you can start REALLY WORRY:

Btw, dear America, that is when you can start REALLY WORRY:

when you won't see people like this WILLING TO ENTER YOUR SOIL AND DEFEND YOUR FOUNDATIONS... any longer.

THAT is when you will know IT IS, LIKELY, TOO LATE.

NOT before.

Please, just keep standing FOR WHOM YOU WERE BORN AS, IN 1776.

FOR, IT IS NOT OVER.

Peace.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius