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We Lost Folks, Nice Try

We Championed the Liberty message. We were rejected . The side we chose to fight with, threw us under the bus or at least took us for a ride (literally) then rejected us. They just did it again when we had a man stand up (Willis) and try to fight for our causes against them on their turf. Instead we get Prebus telling us he's open to us and would be foolish to ignore us. Right after he out manuvered us again. You believe him or them? Laughable...

The winning side is now addressing their causes. Illegal immigration ( future voters for them, you see, as they positioned us on defense), global warming (for all of you who think along these lines a record warm day will occur in my area on Wednesday tomorrow, Note: It's breaking the previous record set before the industrial age), gun control (need I say more?) and they continue to ignore what we all felt were the pressing issues of the day.

Do you hear anyone fighting for the unemployed to gain back employment? No.. Has our chosen party stood up, and drew a line in the sand on the debt ceiling issue? No they rolled over and took their lumps. Any talk or fight from our side about cutting the size of Government or changing our monitary and foriegn policy? No. The GOP will continue to flounder and may end up being completely hollowed out by the machine . And they do have a machine!!! Labor, government supplied/controlled education, media control to a large degree etc, etc..

Instead our chosen party voices come out of the winter RNC meeting with a message that we stand for pro-life while proclaiming they just need to polish the old shoes, not get new ones. They call themselves stupid and say they need to change their tone and message if not policies. In other words become Democrat-lights. By going down this social path as they intend to we are surely going to be handed our lunch again. Oh I'm pro life but thats not our fight! Any social issues they win, because they'll promise the world.

The question or point is when will we cut our losses with the GOP/RNC cronies and do what is really neccessary. We (they) need to grow a new party. Out of the ruins of the GOP, or building up say the Constitution party as example. Who's to say?

I don't know, maybe just a few Liberty minded representatives holding a press conference proclaiming independence and stating the cause can get the ball rolling. I don't know...

But I do know if we don't change our stripes and demand our voice be heard, we're all collectively doomed.

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Pfft. I don't know what

Pfft. I don't know what you're on about. The Ron Paul liberty momvent owns my district now, and most of the ones around us. We are selecting our state representive.

When the next election comes, instead of me trying to police 6 tables at once to keep the filthy neocons from cheating, there will 2 Ron Paul PCOs for every neocon. Thats where these things are won and lost... right in your local precinct caucus.

Quit worrying about the top of the ladder, and start flooding the lower rungs. Find out which PCO spots aren't taken, fill them. Run for higher office within your party. Take them over and only let stay the ones who are willing to work with you.

Its not hard. Took me a few weeks of phone calls, a couple of meetups to locate and organize our people for the caucus.

I arranged a PCO takeover of our district in TWO nights with the help of a friend who was also making phone calls to our known Ron Paul people.

Get ahold of your county cordinater, find out what you can do, how you can become a PCO. Get a calling list. Put up a facebook meetup for Ron Paul people in your area. Taking this party completely ovre is not that hard. Who cares if their a few dozen corrupt bastards at the top when we have taken 70% of the party over? Let John Boner try to read his fraud off the teleprompter when 70+% of the people at the convention are flipping out at him.

Its not hard, if you haven't already, get off you butt and find out what you can do to win your precinct, then district.

So a few fighters have been flushed out

Thats good , no thats great. But we still lost the last election folks. We'll lose the next one as well if we don't make our voices heard.
How ??
Any and all means at our disposal
Side Bar story

Glenn Beck who I almost never listen to was spewing out some earth shattering news he was going to reveal to his listeners soon. My car Radio was still tuned into the station this morning that carried the Jerry Doyle Show late last night. Glenn is proclaiming that the GOP is rotten and not what you thought they were. He'll "soon" inform his listeners and he must think he has them hanging on this news.All the while singing the praises of Rand Paul.

Sounds like the new found Liberty Guy Glenn caught wind of the book "Swindled" or heard a loud voice somewhere informing him of their shenanigans .. OR....and most likely this senario

My employee reminded me that you can bet your arse that he(Glenn) knew all about the Liberty movements plight this past primary and is a Johnny come lately trying to co-op the movement or use this info for his advantage like so many tried and did with the TEA Party Movement.

I say who cares who it is that is getting the message out and what their motives are.Lets take advantage of them. Beat them at their own game. Use them.The radio clowns who test the winds all the time.. Well the winds are blowing from the direction of us.. Find more ways to get the message out. Americans are fair. Uninformed but fair. But get the message out. The RNC must change and the LIBERTY WING STANDS READY TO LEAD.
So whether you think that joining a committee and getting in the devils bed by being political is the best way or sending money to the C4L or whoever or whatever. Do it! I've got my inner circle who I can influence as I did last nov. and maybe next time they'll have an inner circle as well.

Forget collective doom!


Most of those who think so actually don't and most of those who think sew actually rip.

Wow, stop "we-ing" me man.

Wow, stop "we-ing" me man. The changes you and Ron Paul and I want... first, there are probably only a few we all agree on; second, they will happen through coalitions LONG before a movement with everyone in lock-step agreement becomes the majority opinion in the U.S.

Like or hate Reagan, his election led to a tektonic shift in legislation and policy, And guess what, he couldn't have been elected without forging coalitions beyond parties with Reagan democrats and others. Think those 309 cosponsors (I forget the number) agreed with Ron Paul on ANYTHING except that they wanted their name on an Audit the Fed bill?

That Audit the Fed project, writ large; that's what I want to see, and though it's too damn slow for my tastes, progress is being made.

10-15 million more voters need to believe in non-interventionism (liberty) at home and abroad to change America. Minds changed on Syria. Minds changing on privacy. "Printing money" is part of the dialogue. Win minds through focus, strategy.

not gonna work

the same alleged 'independently minded supporters', meaning they lean left and would hate GOP enough to go along with you to a third party, are people who hang around dp sporadically while admitting they would throw rand's civil liberty and middle east withdrawal out entirely because of some mountain top removal for coal mining, ya, because of global warming, what else.. you're not going anywhere while carrying those idiots, might as well soften our tone (without compromising principles) and nudge away at new blood because you're not going anywhere with the same old

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I don't know about you or "we"

But I haven't lost anything because I'm not done yet. I'll let you know when I'm done who won and who lost.

I will give up when I die.

I will give up when I die.

We can win if we focus on winning people over.

If we had a large enough amount of people in America and the world united behind our shared principles,and demanded strict adherence to said principles over politics or parties,then the politicians would truly have to represent us or find themselves out of a job and irrelevant.We can make progress every single day if we focus on winning hearts and minds.Here is a suggestion on how to do it:We get one or two great short ads/videos that promote our shared values of truth,freedom,and peace.Maybe have a few quotes of Ron Paul in there.Just picture a short video explaining why we should bring our troops home,have sound money,cut taxes and spending,balance the budget,end the drug war and give power to the individual while promoting truth,freedom,peace,non-aggression and voluntary humanitarian help to our fellow man.Then we have a money bomb only to DIRECTLY purchase airtime for said ad/video.We vote with our dollars on which video is best.Then we have a "time bomb"(lol) where we all donate our time and focus our efforts spreading the video on facebook,twitter,youtube etc.Keeping it front page on the DP would surely help.Then we fine tune our efforts to make sure we are winning people over.And as long as we see it is working,we NEVER stop.With the "time bomb" method,we could make our message go viral on the internet,nationwide and worldwide,without asking people for money.With the right videos and a united effort by us,I am convinced this would work.In my opinion,this is how we win.Anyone got a better idea?I'm all ears.

What is this

defeatist attitude? Forget the GOP. The Liberty Movement is not about politics. Stop crying in your beer and get a backbone. Remember Ron Paul and keep educating and moving forward a little at a time. Remember the millions who have stopped voting and the 2 million votes that Romney lost in the last election because we are fed up.We didn't feel we had to vote for the Republican candidate. We knew better.

We are in another war for our Independence.

it's about keeping the VISION

My daily proverb works specifically for this #dailyproverb on twitter today! Funny how God works.

... And ... My newest website is.... http://virtueandexcellence.com
(just started)

Liberty, our freedom, this nation's founding was God-given....I will not recant from that!

The vision is to do God's will, and prosper and live in peace. We know what is not God-honoring, we know what hypocrisy looks like, we know we have to engage the political system, we know we've severely impacted it by promoting the passion and policies of a real Christian Statesman; we have to finish the job, as it is "our right and our duty"....for our posterity's sake!

The founders philosophies and instruction must be rekindled and lauded....God must be honored, His principles and laws must be preferred and willingly obeyed; or we have no Advocate in true Liberty.

Are you a Republican?

Did you go to your GOP committee meetings?
Did you run for an office on your committee or in your city, county, state?

Ron Paul championed the Liberty message by himself, and many of us became students. I am still a student. Campaign for Liberty attempts to teach those interested how to participate, many don't bother, some who have felt it was not enough, and that is because many are unwilling to be champions, but rather prefer supporting the champions.

Ron Paul chose the GOP, I didn't, and I don't know many here who did. Most refused to register Republican, or even go to a committee meeting. Many who did, like myself, are now committee office holders, and our committees have become Liberty GOP committees.

Our Party, the GOP, is changing because of us, and we need more people to support and assume offices rather than waxing apathic and throwing in the towel.

Willis did not run against Preibus to win, but to protest, and this is why he wouldn't have won. Many of us are new in the GOP, and what's so wonderful about that is that WE ARE THE FUTURE. There are no Neocons flooding into the GOP, rather we are.

I'm not going to fight for employment, most of those are of, by, and for government jobs. I am going to fight for small business and American business to have rights so they can afford to hire people rather than the government competing with these businesses, and putting them out of business, in the name of jobs.
Global warming.. my issue has to do with GEO-ENGINEERING and I intend to make this a committee issue and SUE THE MILITARY for loss of agriculture, water contamination, and visable sky pollution.. this will bring in many people to our party as it is a big issue where I live. Same for wars.. we are making the GOP the anti-Bush doctorine Party.

My committee has issues with UN Agenda 21 and we are fighting, drawing a line in the sand,, ICLE is another organization we intend to go after.

My first party was Libertarian 1976-92. We got no where because the GOP controlled us, and why you see Republicans donning a LP pin and running for president, and why Ron Paul joined the GOP.. Libertarian Party is a arm of the GOP, just as the Marines are a department of the USNavy.

After the stolen election in 92 (I was an inspector for Los Angeles County Registrar's office back then and like) thousands of other inspectors, had nearly 10K uncounted ballots in a locked boxes (CA, WA, OR, HI, AR, Alaska) none of their votes had been counted when Clinton was named president.. Perot led in my precinct that election.

I quit the LP and joined Ralph Nader, as did Raimondo from antiwar, and hundreds of thousands who joined Nader's campaigns to open debates and ballot access for Independents and third parties. All we won were multible law suits in multible states, and we lost every one. For three elections I worked with Nader and many people who were Libertarians, Greens, Peace and Freedom, Constitution, Reform Party, and more. It took us 37 third parties to get Ralph Nader on the ballot in 49 states. The Green Party split over it. There are TWO Green Parties, Green Party International and Green Party USA.

Personally, Ron Paul's campaigns were cake walks by comparison to the broken noses, arms, vandalism, false arrests, censorship, beatings and long list of abuse we suffered from Democratrs and Republicans, who the police protected.

When Ron Paul began his first run for president in the GOP, I REFUSED to join the GOP. I thought RP should do it MY WAY.. we had all these connections.. but he refused. When he made his second presidential run, I knew he was not going to go Indy, and I joined the GOP. I am now elected committee person and elected officer on my committee. I've only just begun and I am far from alone.

If you show up to meetings, your voice will be heard. Mine is, and while it was a lone voice for a year, it is not the loudest voice anymore.. WE ARE THE FUTURE. And I'm very happy about that. I never expected the GOP to lay down and wag it's tail for us. I expected a GOOD FIGHT and got a dirty fight, because they are weak, desperate and the only way they could win is by cheating, stealing and lying, so it is up to us, to not quit, but keep fighting.. we don't have enough people yet,, but we will, because we are the new blood, we are the passion, we are the future of the GOP.

Join us at the meetings. THANK YOU!!

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Good post

Except that there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Whatever road we take, the road will be long and hard. Our representatives are truly representative of the population at large. This is why Ron Paul always focused on educating the people at large, and that is where I will continue to put my focus, as much as possible, to the best of my ability.

It is not about the outcome, it is about the process. If you put all your eggs in the outcome, you'll be disappointed every time. LOTS of people are disappointed with what happened.

If you focus on education, and on people, you can always look to your successes and your wins: The people who's eyes you've opened, the minds you've changed, the projects you've accomplished, etc. By focusing on what you love, you can never go wrong. You may not get rich, you may not change the political system, but at the end of the day, you get to do what you love.

Just remember what Ron Paul said: Low expectations.

There's always the next game, or the next season. But if the whole political system is not your gig, remember the most important thing of all: There is always a different game that you can play.

Follow your bliss (not your piss)

The only thing you have to lose is your chains.

Everything will work out in

Everything will work out in the end, it is only a matter of time. Eventually it will get to the point where the US will no longer be able to prop up the dollar with military force and there will be nothing left to keep it alive. The dollar will die, but we will survive.

End The Fed!
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Cheer up..

More and more people are waking up every day.

We can't lose unless we defeat ourselves by giving up.


I try to change people every day. Do You?

not dead yet

Are we infected at every level? Yes

Has it effected our critical thinking?
Our judgement?
Our ability to perform basic functions?


But this nation is still alive. The fact we exist is proof that there is hope. We may be on life support, but I wouldn't pull the plug just yet.