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Doug Wead & Ronnie Paul MLM Opportunity? W T F?

Is anyone else bothered by this email Doug Weed just sent out?

Doug Wead

I want to take a minute to let you know what I'm doing since the campaign. Ronnie Paul and I have started a new business venture together and a number of people in the Liberty Movement have already joined us as business partners. I'd like to offer you the opportunity to join us as well. We see this as an opportunity to earn an income while still having time to pursue our passions and our cause, as well as an ongoing way to support the Liberty Movement. I've always believed in multiple streams of income, and this is something you can do in addition to your current job if you choose. You would be working directly with Ronnie and me, and we would be excited for the opportunity to partner with you again. If you're interested in learning more, just respond to this email with a phone number where you can be reached and someone from my office will give you a call. There's some time urgency associated with this, so I hope to hear from you soon.

Doug

and btw Nystrom, wtf is up with this site changing my "wtf" in the title to "What?" you don't like what i type then don't print it....but changing it is bullshit




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your a cool dude

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MLM

I tried working MLM. Did it for a health product company. Its products were high quality, and two of its products were fantastic, one of which was unique. I attended meetings and asked people questions for a year before I joined it. When it comes to putting time into something, I study it before engaging it. I even research household items.

I was told making money would be easy if "you just work hard." I worked hard. I created fliers, compiled video and audio from various sources and made a DVD and audio discs I tried selling but then handed out to people while I went door to door selling the product. Had a business card made up. Set up a tent at Farmers Market. Continued going to meetings. And how many sales did I make? None. This was in 2009 and in California city experiencing the economy meltdown when it began, in 2007-08.

That company started in 2005, I think, and produced, ohhhh, six or seven millionaires, three who I met and talked with when they came to my town. I e-mailed one of them a few times, even. I believed the main product of this company was superb. I do still, in fact, but it is expensive and the income set-up appeared favorable to who worked hard, but I determined the millionaires of this product were made and no more were on their way. The millionaire club all the way down to the $100,000 club were closed. The timing was gone for a few reasons, but mostly because the pricing of the product changed and eventually changed too much, giving substantially less for substantially more. Door, closed. What I didn't like, though, was to earn money, you had to buy product. This business model is typical among MLMs, I think.

I'd say that model was OK from when MLMs came on the scene long ago up to mid 2000s. I don't see that model working now, though, at least not for anyone who wants to earn a living entering an MLM company in its fourth or later year. That's right -- earn a living. I didn't say to get rich. Just to earn a living. For the most part, MLMs at this time are a business to bloom then sell, so I think.

About MLMs being a pyramid scheme. They are. All of them. But aren't all businesses? The differential between them and traditional business is how much the owners profit off their employees and, of course, that in MLM making money depends on buy product usually.

If I were to do MLM again, it would be one that's starting and one that I treat as my secondary source of income.

About wtf, I'm glad it's filtered, but it did get into this post's headline. I agree, Michael, wtf -- and all other swears -- are lazy. Not only are they lazy, however, they foster impatience and, eventually, aggression. I believe swears have their places, but encountering the ones I have, most left their places, having moved outside their mouths. For the legitimate swears, they're OK: Because of the contrast that the speaker presents, seldom using them, when he uses them, they do their jobs -- clarify, emphasize or warn/fend off, or a combination of them.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton F. Dutton

I'll agree with what you said, except:

"What I didn't like, though, was to earn money, you had to buy product."

Isn't that how all retail sales work? The product is bought by the reseller, whether from the manufacturer, a warehouse, or some other middle-man, and then resold to the consumer. If you know of any suppliers that don't require prepayment, please enlighten me.

So far, I have only managed to get as far as buying from the manufacturer directly. I would love to offer those items that cost me nothing other than my time, retail sales space, providing a comfortable shopping environment, and some paperwork to keep track of what I owe to the supplier. Mmmmmm hmmm, no risk, only profit... I'll offer to sell those products, fer sure!

Well, I guess I could become an official manufacturer's rep (as in a salesman employed by the manufacturer), since they get 'kickbacks' (edit: from the manufacturers) for sales to us resellers...

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The income model of the

The income model of the company I worked for was that the member had to buy product monthly to have opportunity to earn money. For example, I buy product so that I can earn an income. Buying the product is one one month and the income is based on my sales the next month. The amount of income is contingent on: how many of the people I've signed up (if I have signed up any) buy product and how much of it they buy; how many people they signed up buy product and how much of it and so on down the member tree; and, lastly, how many new people I persuade to buy products and how much of it they buy.

This model is different than traditional retail, which is different than the free market because traditional retail -- as most sizable businesses for the past 100 years but probably for the past 200 years -- originated in a centralized economy. So, I should say "traditional" retail even though its operation is the free market mostly. Again, its operation is free market mostly, but its origin, where and how it was created, is not. And, really, businesses of decent size, ones that have persisted the past 50 to 100 years, persist because the people who head the businesses are people who comprehend abstraction and conceptualization, which I think drive business. Whether those people know centralization by that word, they recognize that condition, therefore they know what to do to support their businesses. For them, all that's involved is plugging in reality: Go search for X, put it to work. Simple as that, especially for Big Business, the international boys.

As for me, once I reclaim my health, my life will change drastically and for the better, much better. I will lift myself up from the doldrums easily once I'm healthy. I'll follow the path I charted. Restoring my health is far away yet in arm's reach. If I meet someone who does a certain procedure and that person does it to me, I will be well soon afterward.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton F. Dutton

Dammit buddy..

You are doing a damn fine job. Your task is a burden when it stops becoming a labor of love. I love the site. I love the contributors. We are a unique community of people.

Go to any other political site.. you will not hear of any intellectual debate. Its always Right vs. Left. Here we debate the truth and throw things at each other!!!

It is a real debate forum. I can prove it with two words.

Rand Paul

Without the DailyPaul.. the Liberty movement would not have a marathon pulse.

Could you ask Ron or Rand for something to auction off? I doubt either one want this site in the dust bin.. And I have seen quite a few auctions at their events... The right thing could catch thousands to a site with 150K+ a day.

:)

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I don't think Rand would mind it in the dustbin

He wants yes men. Propagandizers

I was a propagandizer for Ron. I have no intention to be such for Rand. Let the debate rage.

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

from that article

'if Rand Paul does twenty great things, libertarians will focus on the one thing they don’t like, ignoring the rest.'

'As for me, I will remain a “propagandist” for Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Justin Amash, Thomas Massie, Kerry Bentivolio, Campaign for Liberty, Young Americans for Liberty, Judge Andrew Napolitano, Mike Church, Julie Borowski, and any other figure, group, blog or vehicle, now or in the future, that I believe advances our ideas in a way that we eventually become the new mainstream.

I have the liberty movement’s back. This is my entire life. If that is propaganda, so be it.'

I agree with Jack. I was just as pissed at Rand for what appeared to be throwing Ron under the bus by backing Romney. It was really stupid PR not to speak to the Judge or Cavuto after going on Hannity. The thing is, I dont have tons of doubts with Rand. His approach is different than his father.

I doubt Rand wants the DailyPaul in the dustbin.

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Well, you couldn't 'a done it for a better guy, Michael.

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That's odd - did I read somewhere that Doug was involved

with Amway at one time?

God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it. – Daniel Webster

yup

so where alot of other people. Amway isnt bad.. its just more difficult now. Wead is smart enough to understand when to sell a product he believes in and get in on the top.

The irony of this hoopla is that it is pure capitalism. No govt stooge.. just sell. Be good at it. Identify leaders and empower them.

Not a bad strategy for success.

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