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Pastor Who Left Sanctimonious Tip Gets Waitress Fired from Applebee’s

After a copy of her Applebee's receipt began circulating online yesterday, Pastor Alois Bell of the St. Louis-based Truth in the World Deliverance Ministries phoned up the restaurant and asked to have everyone involved fired.

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It is not rude to point out another's rudeness.

FAIL.

No one is entitled to anything, but she did perform the service and the Pastor knew DAMNED GOOD AND WELL she'd be expected to pay for that service. If she doesn't want to pay for service, she should not eat where it is expected and customary. Perhaps a fast food joint would suit her better. Or, perhaps, God forbid, she COOK for herself or her "congregation." Anyone heard of "potluck?"

As I understand it, she wasn't even the one who posted the image, AND she made it so no one would know who it was. Thus, I can't see how her actions were in anyway cause for termination. She was not trying to identify the pastor in any way. And even made an effort to keep a lid on it as others tried to. (that 'pastor' must have this reputation elsewhere to be outed so fast, I'd bet it was someone in the dining party that can't stand her)

Was it avoidable? Sure—the Pastor could have paid for service. She could have stiffed the server and simply done nothing else.

But the PASTOR chose to be a class-A BITCH. She got what was, I estimate, was LONG coming to her. I'd wager this was not an isolated incident at this restaurant, or by her.

Unfortunately, yes, unfortunately, I say, it cost the server her job. But as I noted below, this is likely a blessing and not a curse.

At the least, butt-holes like this so-called "pastor" who's really just running a tax scam, will think twice about either not tipping in the future, or at least think twice about writing cutesy little jackass remarks when they stiff someone.

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You're still missing the point

The point of all this is that you should look at yourself when you have problems and criticize yourself first. Finding scapegoats and making excuses for your problems isn't getting you anywhere.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Of course not. And if that was your point, sorry for missing it.

I fully agree.

If the truth be known, I

If the truth be known, I would be willing to bet that this so called "pastor" is not a christian.

By their fruits you will know them.

Or as Moses reported. "I shall be who I shall prove to be."

What man or woman can claim more?

Free includes debt-free!

this "pastor" is a complete

this "pastor" is a complete jerk. Maybe she should read her bible. What a joke.

You mean...

You mean the parts about the requirements for leading the church, where it mentions they are supposed to be male(i.e. 1st Timothy 2 & 3, and Titus 1) ?

What are the chances

that there is a lack of male leadership in that (or all) community(ies)?

Exactly!

I guess Alois is a female name. I'm not too up on my French. No wonder she has no sense of discernment. She's out of the will of God.

Presumptous

This is why I do not like the food chain.

Plus it is overrated imo.

What if the service is bad?

donvino

Yeah, I've never heard

anything good about Aplebee's.

Good grief, there is so much wrong with

this whole situation, that I don't even know where to begin.

The pastor is a black

The pastor is a black woman.
Do the people who say women should not be pastors also think blacks should not be pastors?
What's with that group-think here?

The Bible specifically forbids

women from exerting authority over men in the church. Don't agree with it? Take it up with God on Judgement Day.

My God is a loving God.

My God is a loving God.

There's only one God.

And He is loving. Now what does that have to do with women preachers?

There's a stretch.

She also had two feet. Maybe people think that people with two feet shouldn't be pastors.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin

That's exactly what I meant!

That's exactly what I meant! How does her being a woman have anything to do with her behaviour. (or being black for that matter).

Was a hint of prejudice in the air?

Anti-black, Anti-woman, Anti-clerical and Anti-religious.

Thirty-seven years ago I offered to drive, Pia, a Swedish Exchange student from the hinterlands to Downtown Detroit. I found her European perspective refreshing.

Fact is we were white bread in toast town, those were the facts, nothing more.

She is a pretty blonde, also.

Free includes debt-free!

say what?

Where did that come from??

People saying 'women shouldnt be pastors' are refering to specific instructions given by Paul in the book of Timothy - imho this is good advice given by Paul though imho a woman pastor is not a sinful thing but imho it creates a greater potential for problamatic situations within the church community.

If you can find a book or a verse that discusses pastors and elders and Christ followers of a specific race, then we can talk further.

Otherwise you seem to be only picking a fight by using inflamitory statements.

I dont like that.

"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle."

I'm not picking a fight.

Further down in the comments somebody said that he is not a christian, but believes that women should not be pastors. And this situation proves he's right. Or something like that.
I don't want to start a religious discussion, but did Jesus say it? No.
Paul was never a disciple around Jesus, he met him afterwards, right?
So this is his interpretation of the teaching. I have always seen Paul's writing as somebody's interpretation that wasn't around when Jesus taught.
But, I really don't want to start anything. Please respect my opinion and let's leave it at that.
Peace.

I respect others opinions so long as they

can clearly articulate them. I didn't sense that you did in your post, which is why I called it out; it sounded like baiting to me.

Anyways, I only asked you to bring up scripture because if we are siblings in Chirst, then we are commanded to refer to the scripture - if you believe a black person can't be a pastor and have no Biblical basis for that, then I could only correct/teach you via the scripture.

Or if I was wrong about a spiritual matter, you should bring it to my attention via the use of scripture.

Imho I believe that Paul was a prime example of a 'man of GOD' and *may* be the greatest individual testament to how much Christ can change an individuals life for the better - as far as I'm concerned Paul was used by the Holy Spirit to teach countless individuals about the truth and wonder of Christ, and that includes via his writings.

If you are no believer then we really have no spiritual basis to have a discussion - at that point it just becomes an issue of morality/freedom/opinion/whatever.

Plus I don't like non-believers attacking my beliefs ad hominem - there are many good, constructive arguments against my beliefs and while imho they all fail at some point, at least they can make for good discussion.

That's all I got. If I'm coming out of left field or misunderstanding what you are saying I am sorry. No harm no foul.

"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle."

misunderstanding I think.

misunderstanding I think.
I did not mean that a black person cannot be a pastor.
The point I was trying to make was that, if people believe that women cannot be pastors they are thinking in a group-think way and might even say she cannot be a pastor because she's black.
Actually I didn't make my point very well, because of all the misunderstanding.
The commenter who said women should not be pastors also didn't say "the bible says" or something. He was just going by her behavior.
I'm a fellow christian. Lutheran.

yup misunderstanding

no hard feelings hopefully.

"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle."

Why do the people

who say women should not be pastors have that opinion? If you can answer that, then you would know why being black has nothing to do with it.

I can answer the question. The woman claims to be a Christian pastor, but her Holy Bible teaches that the office of elder (pastors are elders) is for men only. Does the Bible say that black men can't be pastors? Maybe I have to answer that question, too. The answer is no. That is why your question doesn't make sense.

The people who say that women can't be pastors are basing their statements on the Holy Bible. It has nothing to do with group-think.

that is correct

they think that because of some decree. Because "god says so". It's clear they don't use reason or logic to formulate their conclusion.

You are correct.

Being black has nothing to do with it, though I would argue that for purposes of social cohesion that black people tend to be better suited for black congregations, and it is drawn from the fact that local churches in the New Testament tended not to intermingle with each other save the occasional traveler who needed a place to receive the sacraments, and here we're talking merely about different Greek city-states, let alone the massive divide between people of European and African ancestry.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

exactly.

exactly.

I was referring to a

I was referring to a commenter, who didn't say "the bible says", but he meant that this situation proofs that women should not be pastors.
Like she stands for all women and her failure is the failure of women
generally.
That's group-think, right?
I understand that women are seen differently in the catholic church and I respect that. But I'm not a catholic.
So I believe that women can be pastors.
And this woman made her own individual mistake and that has nothing to do with her being a woman, or being black.

So your religion picks and

So your religion picks and chooses what they should follow from the bible. Typical.