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Pastor Who Left Sanctimonious Tip Gets Waitress Fired from Applebee’s

After a copy of her Applebee's receipt began circulating online yesterday, Pastor Alois Bell of the St. Louis-based Truth in the World Deliverance Ministries phoned up the restaurant and asked to have everyone involved fired.

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Just another reason in a long list of why I hate the church.

Just another reason in a long list of why I hate the church.

Using religion to justify horrible actions.

The people of reddit in this town should go to that church and make their voices heard to fire the pastor.

Also rule #1 in restaurants is don't mess with the people that make your food.

That pastor would be wise to NEVER go back, because if she does I'm sure she can expect the worst service ever next time.

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.

Don't judge the entire

church based on this one act.

Nothing in this world is unbroken.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

hence the words "LONG LIST"

hence the words "LONG LIST" of reasons why I hate the church...

an EXTREMELY long list going back 2000 years.

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.

Will you find any good news digging in the dirt?

Good luck.

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If they automatically added 18%

to my bill I wouldn't pay it. A tip is suppose to reflect how good or bad the service is. Somehow like so many other things in this society it has become an entitlement.

If you don't like the policy, go somewhere that suits you?

Was this a premeditated theft. Or Is she a repeat offender.

There is no proof that the service was substandard.

The tips are the waitresses salary for serving you.

If someone got no service then they would pay nothing.

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I don't know if their "policy" is posted or not.

But you are right, if I walked into a restaurant that had a policy notice that they don't pay their waitresses/waiters well and will automatically charge me an enormous tip to compensate regardless of how there service is then I would definitely go somewhere else.

They would do better to pay there employees better and stop with the sob story of how they need their ridicules tips to make ins meat. Like I said, tips are suppose to be an indicator of how well the service is. If you agree with there kind of entitlement then you should go to a communist web site and sell it there where it belongs.

Yes sir!

and I've done the same thing the Pastor did. He shouldn't be ASHAMED of what he did, nor should the waitress be upset. It's AppleBea's fault and we all know that.

18% gratuity MY A$$.

Off topic: another school shooting just happened. This time, in ATL. So far, one dead. I don't have much else and I don't want to report everything CNN/Fox has. It'll change tomorrow.

Lima-1, out.

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Baloney!

I would leave the 6 bucks anyway if the service is good...and much less if it was not!

Applebums puts 18% tip request? That's BS.

If you don't like the service, complain. First, to the waitress and then to the management. But to stiff the girl out of the blue is sanctimonious and cheap. He's gonna eat 34 bucks worth of food, probably two people, run the poor girl to death with his sweet tea and who knows what else, and then blame the cheapness of his character on the stupid restaurant's policy?

You and him should BOTH work for tips for a couple of years! You're both jerks!

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You're right target.

In 1913 a Silver Dollar was a good tip for a $10 meal.

Today that would be 25$FRN, a good tip for a $250 meal.

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But you wouldn't have a choice

and that's the problem so what you say, "I would leave the 6 bucks anyway if the service is good...and much less if it was not!" is irrelevant. Applebees should raise their prices and pay there employees better.

The one that provides the pay makes the rules.

Waitstaff works for you. I wouldn't want it any other way.

Do you want fries or a drink or a...? There are places for people like you. They are called self-serve.

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That is correct

And I eat at the best self serve place in the world 98% of the time, my home. I took my wife out to eat for our anniversary and left a nice gratuity that was about 20% by estimate and I may eat at that place again on one of those rare 2% occasions in future but I would never eat at this restaurant if they are going to propose to speak for me as to how well I like their service. You can cry about wages all you want but that is just political maneuvering that has come to surround the subject. Tips are a "Gratuity" that have to some become entitlement.

I don't have a problem with leaving a tip but I will not be coerced into leaving one at some set percentage and I dang sure am not going to leave a tip if the waitstaff is shytty.

As far as the rest of what went on I have no firm opinion one way or the other because I don't know all the circumstances.

You don't get it.

A tip is not about the restaurant's service, it's about the waitresses service to you.

If you want $2/hour service that is what the restaurant is willing to chip in.

These people are working they are not hiding in their basement.

Cheating the waitress because the steak was cold and the beer warm is the sign of a skinflint.

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No. You don't understand.

And apparently you don't intend to. You think like the government if you support mandatory tipping. I am not going to defend these particular actions by this woman. I am only expressing my disagreement with the mandatory tipping policy in general.

Since the article indicates that they frequented this establishment making it seem that she would know the tipping policy beforehand then she was obligated to pay up regardless of the service. But it makes you ask "Why the stiff this time?" The answer would probably land squarely on the back of the waitress. The "pastor?" didn't stiff the restaurant she stiffed the waitress. Why, we don't know but your assumption that it was because of the cook or something else with the restaurant is not logical. The article only says "... a disagreement over the establishment's auto-gratuity of 18% for parties of 8 or more...". She had to know of the policy so why the dispute on this particular occasion?

You yourself said "A tip is not about the restaurant's service, it's about the waitresses service to you." Why don't you understand what you are saying? The rest of your argument is about hourly pay that is contracted between the employer and employee and not applicable to this conversation.

I think our disagreement is simple.

You see and employer/employee relationship, like one has at Taco Bell or McD? The tip being a carrot and stick based on the quality of service.

I see the waitress as working for me, the restaurant provides token employment and pay so they can meet IRS regulations for income reporting.

I that how you see our disagreement?

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I am not familiar

with hiring and pay regulations for eating establishments but I think you have a point on our contention. But originally that was exactly what the gratuity was for. Not a carrot so to speak but a bonus for a job well done. When it becomes mandatory then it is no longer a gratuity and in fact becomes an extra charge for the meal. But I see why an owner would rather it be a "gratuity" than a charge because if it is a charge then it is income for the restaurant.

To each their own.

Knowing what I have learned here, I think that my relationship with the server establishes a contract.

She made and offer to serve, "How may I serve you." I tell giver her my orders. She fulfills them.

I can provide a gratuity on top of paying for the service that I accepted.

Other might see it differently.

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Yup

When people come in, in gangs, it is not easy to give good service:

The more people at a table the stupider they are.

Would you like to spend 2 1/2 hours faking that you like these people not knowing what your income was for that period of time?

I see 8 women come in the door, I am running out the back, trying to look busy, making excuses...

Double Whammy!

First, 10% of gross income and 18% of the menu price is not the same thing.

Then why would you want to punish the girl who just publicly shamed the last person to stiff her?! Bad call, Applebees, bad call.

All very good points.

All very good points.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

If you cannot afford to tip....

...then you cannot afford to eat out at a full service restaurant is my old school opinion.

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

Nugget

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ok so now..

She shames herself and her church and I wonder if she will be able to eat anywhere in her town or surrounding area without thinking someone spit in her food =P

This pastor took a unfortunate situation and made it much worse.. for herself

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Yeah, she'll be afraid to

Yeah, she'll be afraid to walk into any of the local restaurants. Which is probably a good thing.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

Attitude of entitlement?

I used to work in a restaurant - the Sunday lunch crowd - most of them would run you ragged, were very demanding. Being young, I thought they were important. But they would always then burn you on the tip. What up w that? Should the pstor get fired?

Yeah, I was a busboy (and was eventually promoted to busman.

Yeah, I was a busboy (and was eventually promoted to busman. Sorry. Bad joke) way back when, before restaurants started adding gratuity to checks for large parties. I completely understand why many restaurants went to this, because my experiences were like yours. Large parties run you ragged, act like the own the place and everyone in it, then act like they're doing you a favor when they eventually leave and leave a $10 on the table, with maybe some pocket change to boot.

Got to where every time I saw the hosts and hostesses scurrying around moving tables together it was like "oh hell, here we go again..."

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

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Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

As a waitress

it was the families that I dreaded, but I was young and friendly and they had us wear black mini-skirts...
Anyway, I usually got tipped well by the large parties, but when a family showed up and asked for a high chair and a booster seat, I knew I would be cleaning a huge mess and not getting tipped.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Not always true

Last time I went out to a big dinner like that, the waitress we got felt the exact same way, you could tell by her facial expressions. She was really trying to be nice, though...but not in that fake sugary way.

She just about fainted when I left her a 50 dollar tip, lol. (The meals cost about 100-120 all together). AND all the little kids cleaned up after themselves. Well...the infant didn't, but you get the idea.

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