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Pastor Who Left Sanctimonious Tip Gets Waitress Fired from Applebee’s

After a copy of her Applebee's receipt began circulating online yesterday, Pastor Alois Bell of the St. Louis-based Truth in the World Deliverance Ministries phoned up the restaurant and asked to have everyone involved fired.

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$2.13 per hour

In Texas the minimum wage for servers is $2.13 per hour... I'm sure this number is similar for the rest of the states. I've been waiting tables for the past 5 years and I've never been paid a cent more than that. After taxes, my paycheck is usually between $0.00 and $2.50 for two weeks of work. My income is %100 dependent on my tips. Restaurant's are able to sell food for about 15% less by paying their waitstaff $2.13 an hour. Therefore, restaurant patrons should compensate by tipping their waiter's/waitress's %15 for services rendered. To clear up a misconception, I have never worked in a restaurant, nor heard of a restaurant, which pools all of the tips, and then evenly distributes them to each server.

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plenty of restaurants do split them

But as far as i know in my state they also have other responsibilities and get 7 or 8 per hr as opposed to the 2 to 3 for pure waiters

Federal law requires each

Federal law requires each state to mandate a wage of no less than $2.13 per hour to tipped workers. In Texas, the state just goes by the federal wage. Other states mandate their own minimum wage which is more than the federal wage. The only 3 states which have an hourly wage of greater than $7.00 per hour to tipped workers are California, Alaska, and Hawaii. So I'm assuming you live in one of those 3 states.

http://www.paywizard.org/main/minimum-wage/tipped-workers

an idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government

cool link. but no i live in a state where it was recently 2.13

And now closer to 3 something i believe. Of course the sole purpose is to use the restaurant paid wages entirely taxes.

I was trying to say there are tip-sharing full-service restaurants... for example at the country club, however often in these situations the servers are reqd to be paid regular mw (~$7/hr) instead of waiter mw (~$3/hr)

We don't know enough information....

to make a judgment. On the surface, it looks like writing what he did on the note was unnecessary, but we don't know what the conversation might have been either. If they were both talking about tips, who knows...

Also, some waiters or waitresses expect a lot by saying---"Do you need the change?" meaning do you want the change, or can they just take it all.

Anyway, I wouldn't have left that kind of note. It was not nice.

you dont sign for a cash tip

Therefore he paid w plastic eliminating that possibility

Welch also isn't buying Bell's embarrassment.

If this person wrote the note, obviously they wanted it seen by someone," she said.
“I’ve been stiffed on tips before, but this is the first time I’ve seen the Big Man used as reasoning."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/applebees-waitress-fire...

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My rule on tipping

This is how I determine how to tip a server in a restaurant:

When I walk in the door, the waitress will receive a 15% tip from me. At that point, it is completely up to the waitress whether the percentage goes up or down. It all depends on the service...

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Restaurants should not have a gratuity charge,

The "tip" is decided by the customer on the performance of the servers.

Servers are paid $2.13 per

Servers are paid $2.13 per hour and most of that is taxed. Therefore, a server's income is dependent %100 on tips. In a typical restaurant, a server will have no more than 3 to 4 tables at a time. This prevents the server from becoming too overloaded and neglecting the needs of their tables. If a server has 4 small tables, 3 tip $5.00, and the 4th leaves nothing, the server still makes $15.00. If all 4 tables are pushed together for one large group, and they don't tip, the server makes nothing.... Get it?

an idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government

but not all servers are paid $2.13ph

depends on where you are and the establishment where you work. That blanket statement is wrong.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

If restaurant can't get servers for large groups, then what?

A fee for service to large groups is one solution.

Individual are still free to leave a tip. I do this when I dine with a known cheapskate.

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how immature of him

just put 0 and move it along buddy.

Actually, it's not a 'tip'

A tip is a gratuity coming from the Latin 'freely given' aka voluntary. The receipt clearly exhibits that this is not a 'tip' but a breakdown for services rendered, whether or not that service was worth that amount.
There was a time waitstaff got to keep their own tips without such demands on receipts. Perhaps there are still shops that do that, but many now make the waitstaff throw the money in a communal jar which then gets divided 'equally' among the serfs. That pretty much looks like Marxist redistribution of wealth where bad workers are worth the same as good workers but it all has to be 'equitable' for the sake of the noble cause. I remember when a friend's restaurant went from 'I keep my tips' to 'I have to share my tips' and she said she didn't see why she should have to work harder than everyone else anymore.
You're also being forced to work out that sum. Why isn't there a space where you get to deduct your fee for doing such work?

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

it's similar to the college

it's similar to the college professor who told his class that all the grades will be averaged, and everyone will receive the same grade, therefore, no one will fail and no one will get an A. eventually, the people who were "earning" above-average grades stopped trying so hard because they were going to end up with a lower grade anyway, and the people who were "earning" below-average grades also stopped trying because they were going to end up with a higher score. Eventually the entire class failed because no one had an incentive to achieve.

It says tip...

It says tip...

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

I'm not sure this is a Daily

I'm not sure this is a Daily Paul issue as much as a personal one. I hope this restaurant lets their customers know in advance of their automatic 18% gratuity rather than spring them with it after the fact. This is no longer a tip. This is another tax. In all my travels the US is the most mercenary about their expected and enforced tips. Judging from the comment section in the original article, this pastor will never get the chance to exercise her personal right as a customer.

She wouldn't have left a tip anyway, that's the story told below

A Restaurant that sees it's waitstaff hiding in closets or bathrooms when a large troop arrives, has a problem. A fee for service is one way to handle it. Nothing says others cant drop a few extra dollars if they got good service.

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I'm sorry I still don't get

I'm sorry I still don't get it. Why can't the group have separate bills? What does it matter whether 8 people are bringing their custom to one table or four tables? The restaurant still makes its money and the server only has to worry about one table instead of four. Should the group feel their custom is not wanted or is subjected to higher pricing on their bill then they should have the opportunity to choose to leave. Since when is the story about the server and not the customer?

The story seems to be. Waitstaff gets $0 wages after taxes.

They are taxed 15% whether the get a tip or not.

But that is beside the point.

"May I help you?" Why do people think this is an empty contract.

She brings your food, keeps the drinks filled and brings the condiments on request and so on.

An offer was made to serve, The customer accepts the service.

The waitress fulfilled her contract.

The customer decides the value of the service. Is one who does not tip in breach of contract?

Does anyone think that the waitress busted butt for the exercise?

If there were no service rendered then then there is no contract.

If the waitress does harm by spilling soup on your trousers, the that is a different matter.

Granted the fee for service for large groups is an odd case. Others have told the tale of large groups that need furniture rearranged then skeedaddle without leaving any gratuity for service rendered.

Wnen the waitress asked "May I serve you," the posted terms of 18% were accepted when the service was accepted.

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Do you mean the server is

Do you mean the server is taxed 15% on his/her wages or (declared) tips? Is there a food tax already on the bill that the customer has to pay? Many restaurants just total the bill so that the customer is adding tip to tax. The customer has made no contract with the server or else they would get to choose which server they prefer. The server has made a contract with the restaurant owner. The customer is bringing custom to the restaurant owner. Was the mandatory 18% service charge posted and the customer made aware of this in this particular case or not?

Fee for large groups printed on menu. Pastor is repeat customer.

As I understand it, the server is taxed as if the customer paid a 15% tip

It must be based on servers gross credit card sales. Others can tell that tale from first hand experience.

An offer was made to serve. The service was accepted. Offer and acceptance. That's an oral contract.

Yes, the customer could have asked for a different waitress. The contract was voluntary and legal.

Basically, the customer is trying to justify her enslavement of another human being for the duration based on some alleged action regarding a god.

If the customer received No service, she would owe No tip.

If it was poor service, then a reduced tip is reasonable, under normal conditions. But the terms of service for large groups was in writing.

But no just servant deserves to be enslaved, IMO.

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Common knowledge

If you have ever worked in the service industry, it is very common for a restaurant to automatically factor in a 18% tip for groups of 8 or more. Groups of that size and larger tend to monopolize a waiter/waitress time more than if the waiter/waitress had 4 tables of 2. Also, if the restaurant management is worth their salt, the server will not be given other tables so they can concentrate more on the group of customers. Most servers make their living off of tips as their work wages are usually minimum wage. I think it is very selfish of the pastor to bring her congregation to a restaurant and stiff their waitress. I am sure that group had her running constantly. So, not only did she not get a tip for her probably excellent service, she didn't have other tables to make up for her time with this group.

Just my two cents...

Great minds think alike

I hadn't seen your comment because it came through while I was typing up mine. Only saw it once I posted. I agree with you 100%. All the comments I had read BEFORE I wrote my comment were about bashing the woman who wrote what she did. Liberty is for everyone but pastors according to those comments. There are too many people who comment on the DP who love to bash 'religion' every chance they get. The pastor - regardless of how worthy she is of that title - excersiced her 1st Amendment rights - her Natural/God-given rights - but that was offensive to their eyes because she wrote the 'verboten' 'God' word.
Pitiful.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

There is no right to cheat servants.

If she wants self-serve go to the McDonald's Steak House, under the sign of the mammary.

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Where's the law that says she has to 'tip'?

???

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Where's the law that says you deserve good service?t

When a waitress asks if they may help you, what is implied is that she trusts the customer to decide her fair wage.

Have you notices all the cheapskates trying to justify their stinginess.

Long live Scrooge, the heartless old skinflint;

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To whom are you

To whom are you referring?....the server who posted the receipt online or the pastor who objected to the automatic 18% gratuity charge?

Any customer.

The server did not post this receipt.

Someone seeking justice took the fall.

The Pastor had been at this restaurant before.She kenw the rules and she breached her contract by reneging on the "tip" or fee by accepting the service.

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We all know the customer did

We all know the customer did not post the receipt online... Perhaps the pastor and the rest of her congregation needs to take their custom elsewhere. Applebees is no place that offers customer respect. All customers it seems shall be extorted on behalf of the servers' union in that restaurant. When times get economically bad customers cannot afford such high rates of enforced gratuities and realizing the servers cannot afford to work for such low wages, the restaurants will have to come up with something better if they are to stay in business at all. If this pastor and all her congregation decide not to frequent Applebees again that is a lot of restaurant revenue lost. I doubt the story will attract more customers period.