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Any pharmacists?

I'm wondering if there are any pharmacists out there that read these forums. I'm dating a girl that's in pharmacy school and have other friends that are pharmacists or in pharmacy school, and while I have my objections to big pharma, the FDA, etc. and appreciate herbal/other remedies, I don't think pharmacists are inherently doing wrong just by serving in their profession.

I'm interested to hear how anyone here wrestles with this with themselves or with friends and family close to them who are pharmacists or otherwise in the pharmacy industry. Thanks for any thoughts.

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As a pharmacist I can say

Many of the students in pharmacy school started to realize the unintended consequences of medications as we were exposed more and more to people on a large number of medications. It starts to become painfully obvious that the line between risk and reward is not always that clear.

Unfortunately, most don't really get it, or if they do get it they don't put the time into looking beyond what is spoon-fed to them via professors and big pharma. Those that get "it" usually use their position as a platform to influence the public in a positive way by informing people of natural/herbal remedies, encouraging a minimal use of prescriptions, and by emphasizing just how much staying physically fit and active matters. I don't wrestle with my conscience much because I know I'm directing people in a better direction than your run of the mill pharmacist that'll point you to isle 6 and give you the generic, only because it nets more profit, and then rush you out because with lowered reimbursements you have to herd people through faster and faster.

To be the devil's advocate on the subject though, as much as I'd like to say that everyone in the pharmaceutical industry is out to screw the public over and charge as much as they can I really think that it's not the case. 95% of the people really are trying to help, but the other 5% are the ones that withhold information/manipulate it just to benefit themselves or point the 95% down the path of developing a "me too" drug instead of a real innovation, etc.

As time goes on I understand George Carlin's words more and more when he said "...they have like interests, they don't need to call a meeting because they know what is good for them".

I witnessed it at the RNC in Florida and was floored at how what I had called "conspiracy" before, was little more than power-hungry SOB's trying their hardest to stomp out anything that threatened their spot at the feeding trough.

I can't wait until the tables turn and great things happen for Liberty because...we have like interests, we don't need to call a meeting because we know what's good for the People!!!

With that I'll take my last sip of whiskey and call it a night.

For Liberty,

You should discuss this with nutritional pharmacist Ben Fuchs

You should discuss this with nutritional pharmacist Ben Fuchs on his online radio show. He's really good.


Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

Do any of you pharmacists...

... also study herbal and natural supplements and rememdies that have been around for thousands of years? This pharmacist has done just that and even wrote books on it!

She's a syndicated columnist and although she does the MSM circuit, she will go against the the big players (Dr. Oz) so that the public is informed about choices. Please check out some of her articles posted on her website!

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." -John Quincy Adams

Do you take notice on all the meds being prescribed to kids and

young adults?...Ritalin, Prozac...SSRI drugs? Does it make you wonder if this kid could commit suicide or worse? Some of these doctors need to be investigated the way they nonchalantly pass these drugs out like candy. Maybe if you notice a doctor pushing these all the time to kids, they could be anonymously reported. This question is directed at people who work in pharmacies..

I don't think kids should be

I don't think kids should be prescribed any psychiatric meds at all. Their little brains are undergoing rapid growth and development. These meds rewire and short circuit their development. That is a fact. With regard to suicide and SSRI's, there are many mechanisms of action going on, not just effecting serotonin. Also, one of the effects of this class is more energy. This effect will generally happen many weeks before the intended antidepressant effect takes place. This means that the person will have more energy but will still be depressed. The result is a person that has the will and the energy to take action to put themselves out of their misery. Thus the increased number of suicides. I hope that makes some sense.

"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaini

Pharmacists are not evil

I am in pharmacy school. I can assure you most everyone in my class is well intentioned including myself. So are all the professors. There is no sinister conspiracy and if there is the pharmacists and professors are not in on it. Big Pharma wants to make money, and just like any industry wants to increase its customer base. The finance and marketing people at "big pharma" are probably just looking at the bottom line. Once again we should blame government first. There is so much red tape and costs in bringing a new drug to market that the drug industry has to focus on blockbuster drugs that may be used many people in order to break even or make a profit. In my own personal experience drugs have saved my life, and I am not just talking about heroic medicine in the ER. I am talking about medication that I take everyday for a chronic disease. I tried all the natural methods and lifestyle adjustments. Drugs helped when nothing else would. I do think however that statin and SSRI overuse is a HUGE problem. Vaccines are a mixed bag IMO. I won't take the H1N1, but I have to get the regular flu vaccine every year.

"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaini

I second what he said as

I second what he said as well.... Pharmacists are not involved in the rackett any more than local bank tellers are propping up an inflationary monetary policy.

"You must be frank with the world; frankness is the child of honesty and courage...Never do anything wrong to make a friend or keep one...Above all do not appear to others what you are not" - Robert E. Lee, CSA

I'm in pharmacy school right

I'm in pharmacy school right now.... I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with being in a profession that is heavily regulated, politically favored etc... My wife is a public school teacher, so the same goes there (we plan on homeschooling in a few years). I also don't think it's wrong to use public roads. There is natural, market driven need for healthcare professionals. There are real diseases out there and there is real need for medicines, even chronic medicines (but a WHOLE lot less than what Big Pharma would have America believe)...

I go to a private college of pharmacy and even it is little more than a CDC, FDA, WHO propaganda machine.. I hear so much junk in class - political, science, clinical, etc - and it's frustrating that most of my classmates just soak it up without critical thinking (but the Liberty Revolution DOES have a presence in my class and doubtless several others).. But I want to be involved as much as I can as a pharmacist in pushing correct ideas. I want to be involved with our state association so that they will lobby for things that are good (deregulation) and stop lobbying for things that are bad (protectionism).

Without health professional licensure requirements/restrictions, we would see a very efficient blend of nursing, pharmacy, physician, etc where individuals would blend the expertise of every field as they needed to improve their competitiveness in the job market that met the demands of patients...Every body should learn how government intervention is blocking progressive growth of their fields and advocate for freedom within their realm of influence.

"You must be frank with the world; frankness is the child of honesty and courage...Never do anything wrong to make a friend or keep one...Above all do not appear to others what you are not" - Robert E. Lee, CSA

Even though...

modern medicines may be a racket and many of them unnecessary, overprescribed and even dangerous, a good pharmacist can still do good and protect people from things like misspelled and incorrect prescriptions and helping prevent harmful drug interactions,etc..

Also, the knowledge gained from the experience can help a person became a better advocate for reform...

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

I'm a midwest pharmacist's daughter, does that make you feel

all right?
It makes me feel old. You probably do not get that joke at all, do you?
Anyway, my Dad was a pharmacist, and he was awesome. However, consider how this could play out... Happy little new family! Shall we vaccinate? Honey, its flu season, come in for your shot...
I'd make sure there was SOME common ground on the nature of health and healing. My dad was a pharmacist, but my mother practiced homeopathy. Mom always got first shot at treating us. I never used a pharmaceutical until I was a teen, although I was vaccinated.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked: