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Decorated Combat Veteran arrested in New York: Charged with 5 felonies for possession AR magazines

http://offgridsurvival.com/decoratedcombatveteran-arrested-n...

He put his life on the line to defend this:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects... "

Possession of ANYTHING that you earned is not a crime.




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Has a legal defense fund been

Has a legal defense fund been established?

"He put his life on the line to defend this:"

No he risked his life to advance the agenda of the Jewish hijacked government.

Planning another Bolshevik revolution here.

Luke 3:38
Isaiah 43:3-5

This is a good thing, we want this to go to trial

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"randomly pulled over for a vehicle check"??!

I guess they think as long as they're going to violate the 2nd amendment, they might as well kill two birds with one stone and violate the 4th amendment as well.

Donate $5 for each 30rnd mag you have!

Here is what I just sent out to the Republican Liberty Caucus of Idaho on our newsletter:

http://us6.forward-to-friend2.com/forward/preview?u=49169d7a...

I donated $40 which is $5 for each PMAG I own.

Consider doing the same if you have one.

Jason Robinson
Secretary
Republican Liberty Caucus of Idaho
http://www.IdahoLibertyCaucus.org

Why Not Have A Machine Gun?

If having an empty "scary looking" magazine is a felony punishable by many years in prison, there seems to be little downside to also having machineguns, explo$ives, rockets, and all those other illegal goodies.

Jury trial, nullification.

Jury trial, nullification. Maybe this will be overturned and go the way of prohibition.

Tom Mullen's picture

No soldier alive has ever defended the 2nd Amendment

Of course I disagree with the NY law, this solider's prosecution and the whole idea that the government can decide what weapons anyone chooses to own.

However, I'd caution against framing the objection in this way, as if the fact that this man served in the military makes any difference whatsoever.

He hasn't "earned" the right to keep and bear arms. He was born with it, as we all are.

By the way, he hasn't "defended" the right to keep and bear arms by serving in the military. Neither the right nor the constitutional amendment that attempts to protect it have been threatened by a foreign power. They are constantly under attack by our own government, but serving in the military hasn't protected us from that in any way. In fact, the government used the military to confiscate firearms from peaceful, law-abiding citizens after Katrina in New Orleans, so serving in the military makes you a suspect, not a hero.

Please define "defending" the 2nd amendment

And who, if anyone, in your opinion has "defended" the 2nd amendment.
And what exactly did they do that qualified them as a "defender" - why has "no soldier alive" ever performed that specific act?

The military oath swears to defend the Constitution against foreign AND domestic enemies...how does one defend the "Constitution" itself?
March? Protest? Vote? Give speeches? Physically fight an attacking enemy?
What about the military oathkeepers - are they not defending the 2nd amendment?
Just asking...

Tom is correct. Contracting

Tom is correct. Contracting with the military doesn't mean you're defending the 2nd amendment. In most cases, it means you'll be defending corporate interests abroad while making Americans less safe. Defending the 2nd amendment means civil disobedience, peaceful resistance, letting others know that these unconstitutional laws are not laws, and having his case heard in court means he has an opportunity for the jury to nullify. As people see these cases get thrown out, they challenge the legitimacy of these "laws".

I'm well aware

of the fact that contracting with the military doesn't mean one is defending the 2nd amendment...however, Tom's comment that "no soldier alive has ever defended the 2nd amendment" was rather off base. Using your definition above...peaceful resistance, letting others know that unconstitutional laws are not laws, having a case heard in court, etc. - are you (and Tom) claiming that NO soldier alive has ever participated in any of your stated actions - even oath keepers?
That's bunk.

Let's clarify - being in the military doesn't guarantee that one is defending the military - however, it also does not guarantee (as claimed) that one has NEVER defended the 2nd amendment.

Thanks for saying it, Tom!

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Background from a semi-local

Jefferson Co.( the name becomes more ironic every day)where this occured was originally part of Nouvelle France, and is now mostly rural farm country with a significant Amish population, home to and economically dependent on Fort Drum, (one of a very few large Army bases outside the Confederacy or the west), making it very different from what most people think of NY. Hunting and guns are common.

Hopefully the "authorities" here would never get a jury to convict a veteran of this charge. If they do, then the cause is lost and we are truly damned.

Evans Mills NY

...is tantallizingly close to the Canadian border. This vet should step across and never look back. NY intends to crucify him. Going to court is an acknowledgement that a legitimate justice system is still operative here.

He may decide to uphold and defend the Constitution.

If he does may God go with him. Or may the truth protect him.

Mr. Tobey and Tom Crier took their cases to court. They made the case that their Rights had been infringed.

First one has to suffer the Ignominy of having his rights violated.

A quick review of cases shows that those that fail, have failed to make the case the right were violated.

Like the ObomaCare Case.

But he would have to make a Federal Case of it. Then he can sue the officials for damages.

Carl Miller shows how.

Free includes debt-free!

Taking the magazine restriction to a new place...

What would they do if someone created a magazine and/or gun setup where it didn't actually hold any bullets. For example, let's say it just looked like a funnel which bullets could be dropped into. That way, TECHNICALLY, it wouldn't have any capacity and would probably be labeled more like an auto-loader. Expect to need 2 slugs, drop a couple in. Expect a hail-storm, dump in a box.

Technology usually has some sort of end-run around misguided regulations.

That said, 2A does not allow for any restrictions, limitation or requirements to be placed on the act of carrying a firearm.

In order to get these

unconstitutional laws off the books someone, unfortunately, has to get arrested and use the judicial branch to fight the other two branches of criminals.

Alright alright hang on.

Fishy: good post as usual sir. Thought provoking and nerve wrecking.

I have to say this because it's the truth: 30 round magazines have been illegal in New York before the 7 round mag law came into effect.

Now, this is a decorated combat Vet. I didn't see anything in that article (and stop me if I missed it) that he was still serving. But if he was, me being a Veteran myself, I completely understand why he has those magazines. Especially if he works in the Arms Room.

Regardless if he was legal or not, I still do not think the crime fits the punishment. Hell, they weren't even loaded magazines :(

Lima-1, out.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

I have to correct you :

"Pre-Ban" 30 round magazines were both legal to posess and sell in NY prior to the signing of NY's SAFEACT a couple weeks ago. This act allows the posessors of these pre ban magazines 1 year to sell them out of state or turn them in to the police. (I didn't write it) Pre-Ban in this case refers to magazines or guns produced prior to the effective date of the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban for which NY continued past the federal sunset of said ban. Now as I understand it, the law in NY is written so as to place the burden on the accused to prove that their magazines were produced prior to 1994 not on the State to proove that they were not.

Ron Swanson

Much appreciated, marvin.

Thank you, Sir. That's exactly what I was looking for. The "Catch-22" to hold civilians accountable for something they didn't really do.

Lima-1, out.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

By the second amendment, it was legal

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

From the preamble of the Bill of Rights

in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers

It's == Government's powers

Laws that are repugnant to the Constitution are void from the time of passage. They hold no power to enforce. Officials that do are committing treason. Marbury v Madison 1803. See the actual decision, not the summaries created by constitutional lawyers. These guys create a Constitution in their own image. (See fishy's Carl Miller link. Carl is a Nam veteran. He explains this better that I.)

Failure to report a Treason is Misprision of Treason. Whistle blowers are saving their own necks. They are compelled by their oath. Title 18 USCode.

FYI. Sir, is the proper salutation for a man.
Be they, he-man or wo-man.

Free includes debt-free!

Thanks Paul

Thanks for clearing that up. Probably could have gone without the grammar police line, though.

Lima-1, out.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Your welcome & sorry, I tried to be clever.

fishyculture is a Lady.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGs5Js7FVHo

Free includes debt-free!

She's a LAY-DEE...

"Waoh waoh waoh...she's a lay-dee."

Man, that hair...glad I'm an 80's baby. And sorry Fishy.

Lima-1, out.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Michael Nystrom's picture

"Randomly pulled over for a vehicle check"

Still think these gun control laws are meant to stop criminals?

Those are the two lines that stood out to me from the article.

I decided to do a Google news search, to see what turned up. Zilch. Zero, nada in the MSM press. But I did find this page on him:

http://wtc.armylive.dodlive.omnitecinc.com/warriorgames/nath...

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And this is where I realize - where this frog can really see - the water starting to boil. There's a big bubble. Combined with my unease at the DP being just a place, like so many others on the interwebs, that is just recycling old news from an agenda set by the MSM.

There was a time when Ron Paul needed the Daily Paul. No one knew who he was back in '07. He doesn't need the DP now. Rand can get on Hannity. He doesn't need the Daily Paul. The corporate MSM doesn't need the DP stirring and rebroadcasting what emerges from their sewer pipes.

Who needs the DP? People like Nathan Haddad. Groups like the Oathkeepers. Independent media on the front lines doing outstanding coverage, like James Corbett, and some other new guys on the scene who are clear, focused, and very serious.

Thanks for posting this fishy.

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

Found the sheriff's address in the comment section.

John T. Burns is the sheriff. His address is

Jefferson County Sheriffs Office
753 Waterman Drive
Watertown, NY 13601

Let him know what you think!

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Helpful phone numbers:

County Attorney (315)785-3088
District Attorney (315)785-3053

Sheriff's phone number/email is quite illusive.

Anyone upset about this should be doing

the right thing by calling up your local sheriff - finding out where he stands - and if he stands UNDER the constitution - join his posse.

Was this in Saratoga by any chance? Likely not...

New York used to be different.

I love New York State and all that it has to offer. But there are various reasons people are leaving, and I'm now considering it myself: the high cost of real estate and ridiculously high property taxes (affecting homeowners and renters alike), SUCH a high cost of living (!) ... increasing Agenda 21-inspired environmental regulations, so that, for instance, when debris and GARBAGE washes onto the shores of the Hudson after a storm, it can't be removed or you'll be guilty of interfering with the river's natural evolution... state-wide and local nanny-state regulations such as even regards smoking in one's own car... soon a place for just older, wealthy progressives who made their money in more affordable and freer circumstances and the only ones still able to afford what New York has to offer, patting themselves on the back at how enlightened they are.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

I hope

he fully exercises his legal rights in court against these unjust laws (otherwise IMO if he were properly armed, better to have defended himself)