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Liberty Lovers: Create Your Own Culture!

Video from our good friend, Tragedy and Hope. This was posted once here before, but it is worth a repost at this time, due to the transitory nature of this period of the Daily Paul.

Liberty Lovers: Stop trying to fit in to the dominant culture. Stop trying to conform to something that doesn't fit you. Be yourselves, even if nobody recognizes who you are but yourself. That is what Liberty is about. The individual. The self. For what is best for the all. And therefore, the self.

Liberty is the right to be who you are.

http://youtu.be/RC7aud4b3dQ

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Thanks MAN! Very centering and a perfect start to my day.

T & H is an amazing young man with an old,old soul. His have always been among my favorite posts!

Peace, Belle

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

Michael Nystrom's picture

Step 1, create a clearing

In order to create your own culture, you need to create a clearing. This thread was originally titled "Reclaim Your Mind."

In order to do that, stop paying attention to the MSM. Stop paying attention to crap like this:

http://www.dailypaul.com/317188/glenn-beck-ron-paul-people-i...

Don't even click on the link in the article.

Step 1: Stop polluting your mind.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

What is a Clearing?

True philosophy is nothing but a creation of clearing in which we are able to see the world again. Of this mystery of clearing the Master of Clearing Martin Heidegger writes in 'The End of Philosophy and the Task of Thinking':

"The forest clearing [or opening (Die Waldlichtung] is experienced in contrast to dense forest, called Dickung in our older language. The substantive Lichtung goes back to the verb lichten. The adjective licht is the same word as ‘light’ [leicht]. To lighten [lichten] something means to render it light [leicht] , free [frei] and open [offen], for example, to make the forest free [frei] of trees at one place. The free space [Freie] thus originating is the clearing [die Lichtung]. The lightening in the sense of being free and open has nothing in common, neither linguistically nor materially, with the adjective ‘light’ [licht] which means ‘bright’ [hell]. This is to be observed for the difference between clearing [Lichtung] and light [Licht]. Still, it is possible that a factual/material relation between the two exists. Light [Licht] can stream into the clearing [die Lichtung], into its openness, and let brightness play with darkness in it. But light [Licht] never first creates clearing/openness. Rather, light presupposes clearing/openness. However, the clearing, the open region/the Open [das Offene], is not only free [frei] for brightness and darkness but also for resonance and echo, for sound and the diminishing of sound. The clearing is the open region/the Open for everything that becomes present and absent [alles An- und Abwesende]."
http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Writings-Martin-Heidegger/dp/006...

"Air is the very substance of our freedom, the substance of superhuman joy....aerial joy is freedom."--Gaston Bachelard--

Michael Nystrom's picture

Step 2: Now that you have a clearing, you have a space to create

In that space, that clearing, you are free to create from within. Here's one inspiring story from Giovanni Giorgo


http://youtu.be/5m4ZkEqQrn0

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

I I was actually thinking

I I was actually thinking about this today.

After all the work that's been done. All the sign savings, money bombs, conventions, caucuses, broken fingers, and broken hearts. At the end of it all, I've come to realize that they will never stop until we are broke and broken. It doesn't matter.

Should I give up? No. I will keep on keeping on. But I will not let it consume me. They will not break my spirit.

Do you ever feel like this guy?

http://youtu.be/7R2IJFCUBFs

Bump Again to the Most Important Post of DP!

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"Air is the very substance of our freedom, the substance of superhuman joy....aerial joy is freedom."--Gaston Bachelard--

jrd3820's picture

Boomer Bible

He created his own culture, but not only that he created his own version of the history of the world. There are no words to explain the uniqueness of this book. It's not even necessarily one of my favorite books ever or anything, maybe in the top 100, but probably not even top 50, however it is truly 100% completely unique and interesting and quite funny.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Boomer-Bible-R-Laird/dp/1563050757...

Michael Nystrom's picture

Oh, you again?

I came back to bump this thread and here you are again!

I'll keep my eye peeled for the book in the event I run into it at Goodwill, or in one of those boxes marked "FREE" on the sidewalk come springtime when all the kids here are leaving town, but based on it not being in your top 50, I'm not in any rush to go out and get it.

However, speaking of extremely unique books, there is this one:

Nothing in this book is true, but it is exactly how things are. LOL!
http://www.amazon.com/Nothing-This-Thats-Exactly-Things/dp/1...

It is about space aliens and conspiracies and whatnot. I met it at a very strange time in my life. I inhaled it and thought it was great, and then I tried reading it a few years later and was like, "Wha - ?" Couldn't get through it. But the first time I read it, it was a rocking good time!

BTW, I'm serious about this whole thread, which is why I came back to bump it.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.
Linda Cross's picture

Self bumps are not allowed

(This is a bump)

;)

If you see something, say something, the government is listening.
Silence isn't golden, it's yellow.

Keystone

http://www.dailypaul.com/273138/dr-lynn-margulis-a-beacon-of...

O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Freedom is the ability to turn down an invitation to dinner

without giving an excuse.

Don't feed the pandas. Ever.

Michael Nystrom's picture

How I found Freedom in an Unfree World

Harry Browne said something like this in How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World: A Handbook for Personal Liberty

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

I guess you could say

I ended up libertarian-oriented despite that book. I found HB, oh, just a wee bit too self-centered for my liking. As I recall, he did offer some worthwhile practical advice, but I came away thinking that he wasn't anyone I'd want to be friends with. While I can relate to one needing to be true to oneself, he seemed to really not care about the consequences of his behavior on others - even concerning family matters where a wife and children would be concerned. While I long ago read and was surely influenced by Ayn Rand's Selfishness Is A Virtue, I've come to believe that the idea would only have any long-term merit with a more spiritually enlightened people.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

are you kidding me?

I think Harry Browne was a wonderful human being. I remember watching the LP national convention in 1996. There were five candidates for the nomination and during the debate they were passionately going at each other. Towards the end, each candidate was given the opportunity to pose a question to any other candidate. When it was Harry's turn, he said:
"My question is for all the other candidates. Gentlemen, would you all join me for dinner tonight?"

I wish I could have been friends with Harry.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Michael Nystrom's picture

Long before my time

Thanks for the vignette. I like it.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.
Michael Nystrom's picture

mdefarge

Were you around when he was alive? He was kind of before my time. I read the book probably in 2006, before I even started the DP.

http://www.amazon.com/How-Found-Freedom-Unfree-World/dp/0965...

There are people in this movement now who I would consider a wee bit too self centered, but maybe with some distance I might be able to appreciate what they have to say a little better.

I thought his advice was good, and practical. I don't know much about his family life. I know he ran for president a couple of times, too, but honestly I don't know that much about him personally.

I do recall reading somewhere that there was quite a after he died, with evidence of him having misused funds or some such thing.

I do agree with what you say at the end: I've come to believe that the idea would only have any long-term merit with a more spiritually enlightened people.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

I'm feeling a tad ancient at the moment. :)

I guess you could say I "go back" to the first year there even was an official Libertarian Party, not that I was involved in that, per se. There have been three basic influences in how I came to have libertarian-oriented views.

#1 I travelled behind the Iron Curtain and saw what life under communism was like. I arrived home & just about kissed the ground. Whatever the nation's flaws (and I'd certainly rallied against the war), I was forever grateful for our freedoms and also prosperity.

#2 In 1972, through a chance encounter on a train (Hah, there is no such thing), I came to learn of Conservative Harvey Michelman, running against Democrat Bella Abzug for a Congressional seat in NYC's 20th District - the Upper West Side, where I lived at the time. The (cute) guy sitting across from me for an hour was his campaign mgr. As we chatted, it became apparent that Michelman, a "libertarian-oriented" Conservative (first time I heard the term), seemed to have views that matched my own. I decided to volunteer.
.....Along with (not many) others, I stood at subway stops and handed out flyers & bumper stickers. lol There was no time (or money!) for corrections. Bumper stickers read: HARVEY MICHELMAN FOR GONCRESS. Bella won big time. But I like knowing that my vote is there in his recorded 6,253. http://www.ourcampaigns.com/RaceDetail.html?RaceID=57779
.....It was a great experience. For the first time I was with like-minded souls in terms of shared libertarian values. They were a fun group - smart, witty. And... they turned me onto Ayn Rand.

#3 I read the Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged and a couple non-fiction titles, incl. Selfishness Is a Virtue, and I started to receive her newsletter and learn more about objectivism. But when in recent years the YA son of a friend declared himself an objectivist, well, seeing his way of looking at things in simplistic black & white terms, all I could think was, "I remember when I was like that, too."
.....In more recent years, I had something of an epiphany re the concept of selfishness. It occurred to me at some point that my sense of self included more than me. Certainly if my children were hurting, I was hurting. But it was more than just my children. More than even those close to me. I'm thinking now of jrd's story. Well, it's become cliche, the concept of feeling "one with the universe" - but I think that's what enlightenment is. (Ever see the movie Powder? It has that theme.) In a sense, all the selfishness principles hold. It's just that you see them applying to an ever-widening circle. Well, that's how I've come to view it.

Anyway, not long afterwards, I returned to college, taking a few Economics courses, including "Comparative Systems," learning about centralized planning and all - which didn't hurt my libertarian-oriented political views any. But by the mid 70's I pretty much lost interest in politics, totally focused on career; that was followed by a shift in priority to children and education.

As if my conservative views didn't make me enough of an outsider (no less in NY), I chose a spiritually-centered elementary school education for my children, Waldorf education. They'd have a rich interdisciplinary curriculum and... no tests or grades. Among other differences from traditional ed, it's a non-competitive environment. To boot, based on when the founder believed would be the most *developmentally-appropriate* time to learn to read, my children would only begin to be taught how to read as of the end of 2nd Grade. These days, that's considered significantly "late."

Virtually EVERYONE thought we were crazy and would be "holding our children back" and that I wasn't preparing them for "the real world." That is, the "real world" where everything was gauged according to *material measures of success* - grades in school, standardized test scores, ranking of your college, size of your salary, value of your house, cars, other holdings... Those weren't goals I had for my children. I hoped for them to grow up to be good citizens of this earth.

It was the interdisciplinary aspect that had initially drawn me, but I also related to Waldorf education's founding, what came about in response to the death and destruction in Europe from WWI. It seemed that, no matter what - regardless of country, culture, or religion - there was something in values and/or practices that over eons we kept handing down from one generation to another that, sooner or later, resulted in WAR. Bottom line, it was the goal of the education to break the pattern. It was thought that you'd never get adults to change their views. That if there was hope for the future, it would need to come from new generations of children who would think differently. Literally. (P.S. Unlike in PUBLIC SCHOOL, this does *not* mean children are indoctrinated with anti-war or any other political agenda.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldorf_education#Spirituality

The education has a few nicknames. One is Education to "the hand, the heart, & the head" (corresponding to physical development/development of the will; emotional development; and intellectual development). It's also called "Education Towards Freedom." Freedom there has to do with being internally-motivated. We're motivated "externally" - by grades, money, power, fame, land, the law, peer pressure, adv'g, etc. - if we act hoping to receive some reward and/or avoid some punishment. A free human being is internally-motivated based on his values, i.e. regardless of anticipated reward or punishment. So there it was, again, this leitmotiv that keeps weaving in and out of my life: FREEDOM.

I guess it was in the early 90's that I happened to find Harry Browne's book on a sale table somewhere. I didn't associate the author with being libertarian. The title intrigued me. That book did have an influence on me. And I think there's some good advice he gives--- but also bad advice. And personally he's just not my kinda guy. He strikes me as being rather cold, for one. I think he also suffers from what I associate more with people younger than him: short-term thinking. It was years ago that I read the book, left only with a general impression, and so when I saw your comment I accessed the full text on line to see if I could identify what parts I took the strongest issue with. I've been re-reading, but it's too long to spend that much time on. But...

just on his section of marriage relationships, he doesn't reflect the view of, say, Steven Covey, author of Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. Harry Browne goes by his feelings: if you're not happy, then leave. For him, it's all about self interest and one's feelings. Mutual, but still, an attitude like this "hippy poster" you saw everywhere around college campuses in the 70's: http://echopen.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/i-do-my-thing-you... (As to his personal life, I only know what I just looked up. It says that when he got married, he already had a full-grown daughter. I guess he at least practices what he preaches!)

Whereas, I remember a story from Seven Habits, where some guy told Covey he no longer loved his wife. Covey agreed, viewing "love" as a verb - referring to how the man *treated* his wife (not lovingly). SC told him to forget how he felt, to make a choice to love his wife as indicated by his actions towards her. What happened was, she responded and began to treat him more lovingly back. Next thing, the guy found himself "loving" her again (feeling love towards her).

Harry Brown's self-centered life philosophy is more of a problem for me where children are involved. But even as regards "just" a couple, the materialistic way he views relationships also reminds me of one of the stories in the film (one of my top 10) The Joy Luck Club, the scene depicted in the photo below. I was glad the mother convinced her daughter to ditch her husband. Later, the woman found a man who viewed the two of them as a "couple" [a Harry Brown dirty word] vs. her ex-husband, who saw them as two individuals who lived together, paid for their own expenses themselves and shared joint expenses 50/50, and spent time with one another if and when it was convenient for each. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Qv1Z5ETcWgI/SbnNBoq2W-I/AAAAAAAAAO...

While such a view of close personal relationships is anathema to me - and I've tried to impress upon my children that LOVE doesn't operate according to a principle of 50/50 - if it works for some people, I'm happy for them. But Harry Browne's attitude is really what I associate more with feminist thinking. I can't explain the consequences of his/feminist views without getting too personal. Suffice it to say, children don't count for much.

Beyond family debates, I didn't really become interested in politics again until a few years ago when I joined up with a local Tea Party group. While there were "concerned taxpayers" in the group, it seemed to attract mostly social conservatives. It was almost defunct by the time the presidential election came around, but among those left, it was disappointing to sense that most supported Rick Santorum. The abortion issue trumped all others. (While at the time I considered them all a bunch of hypocrites - when clearly Ron Paul was the only candidate whose values matched the tea party mission statement - I guess I don't know how I'd act if I viewed abortion as akin to murder, as those people did and some here do.)

Oh. I forgot something. Raised mainstream Protestant, I left the church when I was 16. But I've had what I'd call spiritual experiences. And, unlike the majority of Christians, at some point I read the Bible. I found that my beliefs matched what Jesus said. I then decided to join a church, not that I stayed long. My beliefs matched what Jesus said - not what church taught.

Then too, years earlier, because of how deeply impressed I was with Waldorf education, I read some of what its founder Rudolf Steiner had written in other areas. While not parochial schools, Waldorf ed does have Christian roots. But Steiner's was an esoteric view of Christianity, one not incompatible with Eastern religions/philosophy. Sound junkie that I am, I can maybe best describe it this way. Christianity, Eastern philosophy, ancient religions... I see it all as one long song.

But getting back to his philosophy of education, it's not as if being a free-thinker, being internally-motivated by one's values, has anything intrinsically to do with goodness. Even more so if you're internally motivated - not bound by convention or even law - it matters "what's inside." Not taught "to" children but reflected within Waldorf curriculum are qualities such as "truth, beauty, and goodness" and "reverence, gratitude, and awe."

Waldorf ed is complex - hard to explain, no less in a tiny ad! At one of the Waldorf schools my children attended, here's how it was summed up - acknowledging the human being in that three-fold way corresponding to the head, heart, and hand. It said something to the effect that the goal was to help children develop capacities, not just skills, the capacity to think - objectively and creatively; to feel - compassion and joy; and to act - on behalf of oneself, one's fellow man, and the earth. That pretty much defines what's important to me and what my hopes have been for my children.

Let's see... libertarian-oriented political views... part fundamentalist, part esoteric-new age views on religion and spirituality... and holistic "alternative education" for my children. In terms of being outside the mainstream, there was also the media thing.

Enrolling our children in a Waldorf preschool, as a prerequisite we had to agree they'd have ZERO media at home: (what evolved to mean) no tv, movies, videos, electronic games, computer games, or internet use. That rule only lasted during children's early years. (Thereafter it was strongly recommended children have limited media use, weekends only.) But even when media was "allowed," even after my children were in public school, it had simply ceased to be part of our family life. With the exception of weekend movies at some point, we were basically media-free for about 15 years.

I'm sure you did not expect such a lengthy response. Sorry about that. I didn't intend for it to be. This post is just a topic that's really the story of my life. And I'm not a non-conformist. I've never done things for the sake of being different. It just kept working out that way. Well, at least I dress like everyone else! :)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ghPTmz-P7bo/T38TSCns24I/AAAAAAAABq...

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Thank You For Sharing ...

... the cultural contours of your ancient history.

It helped me appreciate why I enjoy you as one of my favorite around here. ;-)

Thank *you*

:)

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Michael Nystrom's picture

Agreed

True freedom is as much internal as it is external. In fact, I would argue, it begins inside. It begins with very small gestures in which you are true to yourself ("The right to be who you are."), as in your example of turning down that dinner invitation without any excuse at all. Simply because the answer is: "I don't want to." In a truly free society, that is justification enough. You don't owe anyone an explanation.

But instead, most people have this internal conversation: "I don't want to turn it down because then they'll never invite me again, they'll think I'm a snob and talk about me behind my back, they won't like me anymore." And/or some variation of that.

How many times do we let others dictate our actions in small ways like this? We just give away our self determination.

That is the beginning of opening oneself to larger forms of manipulation.

"I don't want to speak out against the war, because then they'll think I'm weak, that I'm disrespecting their son/daughter/husband/father who is a veteran. They'll think I'm a snob and talk about me behind my back, they won't like me anymore." Etc.

Begin by being who you are. Begin by being true to yourself. That is the beginning of freedom.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

"The right to be who you are"

A great motto to remember, indeed

deacon's picture

easier said than done

Most of my time on this rock has been spent fighting
fighting for things i knew were right and unharmful
fighting family and friends who's only reason to live was to fit in
go with the flow,don't rock the boat
the things i see in my mind meant more to me,than to them
but now it is slowly slipping away,what with time,age,and the
years fighting to just be me
it is slipping away from all the time spent doing not what i wanted to do,but constantly having to argue my case,over and over
this left me almost alone,broke,beaten and battered
i have more friends online that i cherish than the ones i have met
but what was so bad about the way i wanted to do things?
what did i ask more than any other thing?
what i asked,what i wanted,what i fought for? to be left alone,to live my only life the way i saw fit
now so much time has has passed,i will never fulfill any of it
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

jrd3820's picture

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"what i asked,what i wanted,what i fought for? to be left alone,to live my only life the way i saw fit"

That's all I want out of life also Deacon. You're comments make me smile. Hope all is well with you in your part of the state.

deacon's picture

glad i could help

with a smile,they seem so far and in between these days
things in this area is probably no better or worse than any other part of the state
as far as it goes for me,i guess i am where i should be,as i am here

i must be where i am supposed to be health wise.as i am there too :)
but what i see is this,the things i do and have done,will be for others to enjoy,i might be able to pint,but will never achieve for
myself,but all is good, i am where i am,as others are as well
i wouldn't change a thing at this point in history
it is great to be alive and see it first hand(we are the history
that will be recorded for all to read in the future)
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Fire Up ;-)

"Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark in the hopeless swaps of the not-quite, the not-yet, and the not-at-all. Do not let the hero in your soul perish in lonely frustration for the life you deserved and have never been able to reach. The world you desire can be won. It exists.. it is real.. it is possible.. it's yours.”

― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

Disillusionment

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2157438

Easier Done When Accompanied By Focused Energy

Apt advise in all contexts. --

http://www.dijuliagolf.com/2011-Truth-Links_ced.html

Get in the play.

jrd3820's picture

Funny

Atlas Shrugged is one of my favorites... I think I have read it at least 5 times. Thanks for reminding me of that.

five times?

I am impressed. I personally prefer The Fountainhead.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Tough thing

The objectivists have done a great job of this, but that's because they are so exclusive. How do you create a coherent culture that's inclusive, i.e.: classically liberal, i.e.: based on liberty.

jrd3820's picture

Even better

Create your own world in your head and live there. And when people tell you you're crazy laugh at them because they will never really understand this world they way you do.

"half baked moron..."

Indeed. One must achieve full bakedness to reach enlightenment. ;)
I sometimes wonder what a McKenna style "herioc" adventure with some of my fellow DPers might be like...

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.