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Your Gun Will Not Save You

Our nation is getting robbed blind and being used as a hand puppet for the "powers that be" and you are worried about "Obama" taking your Guns away??

Quit taking the bait. No one is taking your guns.
These are only distractions to keep you people worried and in fear about meaningless things while they do what they want.

There are between 270-350 Million Guns in the USA but...

When did that ever stop Goldman Sacs, Monsanto, Haliburton, or the FED from doing what they want, whenever they want??

Never.

Libertarians have a lot of useful information to share with people but this whole gun debate is making libertarians and gun owners look like nut-jobs, which tarnishes all the other information we have to share.

Let's change the debate.

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I think you are right. They don't want our guns.

I think that once all this settles down they will get some type of mental health screening passed. They don't need our guns if they can control our minds and I think mind control is what it is all about. This may be the catalyst needed to make mandatory health screening a part of Obamacare.

And you are right that the 2nd Amendment will fail again.

A Distraction?

...Yes there are many...a multitude of distractions every week it seems.
These are designed to keep the citizenry "off balance" while:
1-We have a runaway rogue government
2-They have been operating without a budget for an unbelievable time.
3-The "War on Drugs" is another
4-Un-Declared illegal wars are another.

However...I'll keep my firearms,thank you.
They are a "ballast" against the constantly increasing tyrannies being enacted against the people.
And as far as a"Nut-Jobs" label being foisted upon 2nd Amendment Supporters?...That's only in the MSM...and your deluded state of mind.

There are more and more people buying guns, and considering buying guns...and supporting the 2nd Amendment every day...with every tyrannical act enacted by these "lawmakers".

Get out there..in the real world, and you'll notice this.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

I have to hide my political beliefs for the greater good..

sometimes... I've hidden other things that the government used as excuses to terrorize and jail, that are legal now. The Idea of hiding guns away for an eventual stand seems like it's always been done in this country yet, we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Raising awareness and educating ourselves, organizing peacefully will still be very effective. They're burying themselves in lies, they're only hope is to discredit us and that's what Sandy hook was for. Get angry get serious, but get smart, don't let them win by taking the bait, and throwing a temper tantrum because people are brainwashed. The battle is for people's minds. Can you focus efforts on creating access to more people alternative media sources? Can you teach critical thinking to people? I am. I hear you loud and clear and I'm with you if that's any consolation..

It won't

They have total control over us. Water, electricity, our jobs.

There have to been cases on record where guns were grabbed.

How many guns could government grab and still make this a valid headline?

Free includes debt-free!

Are you saying...

...that no guns will be taken at all? Even if some kinds of guns remain, aren't the authoritarians still pushing to take or limit certain kinds of guns ('military-style', 'assault' weapons, etc.) that would be most effective if, God forbid, minutemen of the future had to stand up assymetrically against a new version of the redcoats?

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Really? Now, it's the gun owners?

"this whole gun debate is making libertarians and gun owners look like nut-jobs"

That is ridiculous. I don't have a gun, I don't have much invested in this debate other than I do not want to live in a police state where people I trust more than the police are not allowed to have guns. I don't know if "they" are coming for people's guns or not because if they come for mine I don't have anything to give them.

I am coming at this from a different angle. People here worry too much about libertarians looking crazy. Get over it and move on. People here are passionate. I am not an anarchist, but they have my heart because they are passionate, yet they are always accused of hurting the precious "movement". I am a conspiracy theorists and I guarantee you I am not hurting anyone, others would tell you different. The preppers are some of the smartest people you will meet, yet every now and then they get called crazy. There are so many factions in this crowd and they all get called crazy and accused of making other libertarians look crazy. Why are you worried about what people think about your label as a libertarian?

You are the only person that can make you look crazy.

Of course some things might be a distraction for "them" to do what "they" want, it doesn't mean people should not be concerned.

This is the bottom line for me too.

"I do not want to live in a police state where people I trust more than the police are not allowed to have guns."

Free includes debt-free!

they will not take our guns away.

Every SANE PERSON knows that. So when people cry out "Obama is taking my guns away" ,frankly they come off as an ignorant kook.

the only ignorant kook I see

the only ignorant kook I see here is you.

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Oh, well...

Life goes on.

Answer me this; why do you care if someone else looks crazy or not?

I am libertarian at heart and believe in the 2nd

But at the same time I don't want to be bunched up with the nut-jobs who also identify as libertarian-minded gun supporter.

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Don't worry about it.

Don't worry about it. That's my best advice sir.

Live and let live. It's so easy, it really really is.

Guns can stop Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, etc.

Bankers are not "bullet proof."

You lie or you chose to be blind.

The gun grab started in 1968 and has ramped slowly up.

Guns have been grabbed by government, past tense. Are they motivated to stop.

Governments have used guns to kill many of the 200 Million who died at their hands.

There's a killer on the road.

Free includes debt-free!

have a link or proof?

i'm wide awake my friend

No, you're not asleep. Smile, I've got links.

Gun Control Act of 1968 ;-)

The GCA is codified as Chapter 44 of Title 18 of the United States Code,

By making sellers criminals it grabbed the guns of many.
The way is ripe for political tyrannies of all sort.

Under the GCA, selling of firearms to certain categories of individuals is prohibited.

Prohibited persons (sample)

-or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year

-is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act

-has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions

-who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship;

-has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;

The Federal law pretends to allow the Federal government to violate the 2nd and 10th amendment.

To properly investigate would need a review of cases where "violators" were tried and convicted under USCodes. How many were acquitted by juries?

How many sellers denied legal buyers due to seller suspicions. True, this case is a gun ban is not a grab. How many had their guns grabbed for a two year misdemeanor of any kind and so on.

Does the ATF have a no-gun list like the DHS has a no-flay list.

Both lists grow and grow until everyone is guilty. Why not?

I was also looking at this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_firearms_...

Rights in all amendments have been seriously violated by abusive government actions. Loss of the 2nd Amendment Rights is also symbolic. Standing as the only Right can potentially protects the other rights I practice.

Government can do what it wants when if it has no Rights to protect.

Free includes debt-free!

And How Many Gun Owners

...Who, while in the process of a divorce have been "ordered by the Court" to "surrender any and all firearms" to the local authorities?

They've been taking our guns illegally for years, the OP is sleeping or unaware or anti-gun....doesn't sound very "Libertarian" to me.

Live and Let Live....and defend that concept...for all.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

that guy who just had his

that guy who just had his guns stolen by the DHS with no charges filed is a good example. just happened yesterday.

It'll Make Your Head Spin

...Day by day, another incident here, another there.
And the MSM has never detailed any of this.

Have you got a youtube link to that DHS grab?
Please put it up here...Thanks in advance.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

A gun may protect you from the crazy masses....

when the economy crashes.

Guns and bullets will be worth their weight in gold to trade but you probably won't unless you're starving.

I agree that libertarians have a lot to offer. So do independents, moderate and liberty-minded republicans and smaller third-parties.

The key is to find 10-12 issues that we can find common ground and rally behind to create a 30% tipping-point for change.

The challenge is going to be social and moral issues that split liberty-minded, small-government, non-interventionist, fiscal conservatives.

Unfortunately, it's ours to lose because we all feel it has to be 100% my way or nothing with abortion being the biggest divisive issue.

Ten common issues to rally behind in unison and we can't even agree what they should be.

We can't save ourselves, a gun might be the only thing we'll have to save ourselves.

that's the most reasoned answer in a while...

It's about coming together for a common cause. We need that tipping point but guns are a losing issue. If you only involve yourself with the DP crowd it's hard to see but *everyday people* don't see guns the way the gun and/or libertarian crowd does.

Are you kidding? Guns are

Are you kidding? Guns are THE winning issue. Even democrats are starting to call for Obama's impeachment over this crap. I think you underestimate just how quickly people are waking up my friend. This is the age of the libertarian, and the internet is turning everyone our way.

Decades ago...Daddy Cuomo

...meaning Mario, Andrew's Daddy, lost his re-bid for the Governorship of New York due to a BIG GOVT, ANTI-GUN AGENDA.

Unions pushed members to vote for Mario (a DEM),but many unionized workers exercised their vote.....and elected Pataki (Pro-Gun).

Mario never got very far in his subsequent bids for a POTUS Nomination...people still remembered ,Thank God!

Young son Andrew Cuomo, the "brown-shirt-socialist" will never get to the nomination for POTUS...There is a current, present-day, ongoing campaign by NY Union-leaders to derail him...
They are networking with Nationally-Associated-Unions to circumvent the Cuomo-POTUS-2016-Plan.

Obviously he forgot what happened to his Daddy...history will repeat itself....there is no gun lobby...just many citizens who believe in the 2nd Amendment, whether they own a gun, or not.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Again, not your opinion that matters.

Although you are right in that our guns won't save us against a federal tyranny, I think for now the idea that there are decent weapons out there legally does keep the federal govt slightly in check.

But that isn't the point, is it. I do have to hand it to you, though. At least you admit by your name "Reconstituter" that you want to scrap what we have and do a new constitution. Until then, though, don't bad mouth those of us who choose to stand up for one or more rights that our bill of rights outline.

haha "reconstituter" means to reconstitute the constitution and

to put it back to good use.

I support the 2nd amendment.

I'm not bad mouthing anyone.

I am making a point that needs to be made with this thread.

I hope you will reread what I wrote on this thread and see that.

Yes our guns will help

Yes our guns will help us.symptom of a fascist state.

how so? we HAVE fascism, what now?

guns serve a purpose, and help the common man.

but the fact remains that they aren't going to be taken by the government.

some of you (well, maybe not you) have such knee jerk reactions with this stuff which proves my original point.

I can multitask

Thank you.

who are you fighting? No one is taking your gun away.

Gun manufacturers make a killing and have the lobbying power to save your right to bear arms.

They want to feed your fear too and keep you running out to buy their products.