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What is G.O.D.?

G.O.D.- Government Ordained Deity.

There is no "god" that will send you to hell, but there IS a government that wants you to behave when it's not around ....which is partly why the government promotes religion.

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is DOG spelled backwards


Socialists use the same morality as religious folks (sacrifice an individual for universal neighbor and common good.) One group believes in utopia in the sky, another on the earth.

No wonder capitalism and constitution were lost.

God is not the problem

What institution of man has NOT been corrupted? God is perfect Justice, Perfect Grace and Perfect Love. Your putting the blame on the wrong entity. God is not the tool for behavior modification by the establishment, but rather, God is the light that exposes dark corners in the world and compels people to stand against evil. The g.o.d. you are describing is merely the invention and manipulation of wicked men. These wicked men do not want you to find God, because if you truly found God then you would see clearer who your enemies truly are. Those who seek and maintain power have used religion for control, however, true believers and followers of Christ are more immune to this control than you would believe. Where in the Bible does it say to trust your government? The bible is not inherently a tool for control...it could actually be considered a tool of liberation from the evil institutions of men. It is the tool of your salvation, if you choose to accept it and believe in Jesus.

Government *USES* god, religion as a tool of control

you are right when you say "god is not the problem".

Take a moment and think about this...

Don't you think people would be more upset with politicians and elites if they didn't believe all those "bad people" were going to be punished by god and sent to hell?

Also, Teaching (some call it brainwashing, conditioning, indoctrinating) little kids to *not question*, but instead to have *faith* in their parents religion and the religious leaders only breeds citizens who ...

don't question things and have faith in their leaders.

These are/were some of the points I was trying to discuss in this thread. Obviously I should have spent more time on it to be more educational and make my point clearer.

But do you understand the points I'm trying to make?

Be religious all you want, you have and SHOULD have that right. I just hope you can see how people in power can and DO take advantage of good people through religion.

Have you ever studied the "Dark Ages"?---Called that

because men lived in darkness, ignorance, and fear. The Roman Catholic Church ruled with an iron fist and their greatest fear was the Word of God getting into the common peoples' language and hands. They knew that it would set people free from their bondage. That's why they burned men at the stake for putting God's word in English. (Study William Tyndale) The Dark Ages finally came to an end when the Bible was distributed in the vulgar or common tongue. Men now knew that they didn't need the church, but could go directly to God through his son. The word of God sets people free, it doesn't enslave them.

However, our officials know that Americans don't read their Bibles so they may as well be written in Arabic. They can misquote and use the scriptures to control people because people are so busy entertaining themselves and focusing on temporal pleasures.

So I say, indulgence is a much quicker way to enslavement than believing in God.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

What is L.O.V.E.?


Colchester, New London County, Connecticut

free adj.

Old English freo "free, exempt from, not in bondage
The primary sense seems to have been "beloved, friend, to love;

cf. Old Frisian fri, Old Saxon and Old High German vri, German frei, Dutch vrij, Gothic freis "free"), from PIE *prijos "dear, beloved," from root *pri- "to love".


Words that have lost their meaning often leave clues in their roots.

Loving is leaving free it seems to me. Frei,Ja?

Free includes debt-free!

Every man's religion

Is between hisself and G_d. Ain't nobody else's business but his own.

Sure it is....

The concept of G_d/spirituality can be explored by the individual, or individuals (think prayer group).

Government/organized religion dictates what to believe, how to believe it, and how to apply it. The individual must conform to the government/organized religion belief system.

My statement above rejects this notion simply, and directly.

There is a God who will send you & people in government to hell

Fear of God, not government, is the beginning of wisdom.


God is Love

why would anyone fear Love?

Someone's doing it wrong.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

FEAR is NEVER the "beginning of wisdom"

Ever wonder who invented hell?

Jews don't believe in hell.

And your "lord and savior" was a Jewish Rabbi.

God said it "never entered his mind"...

for anyone to be thrown into the FIRE...and called the concept of doing so an ABOMINATION! He rebuked the children of Israel for following the ways of the pagans because they were throwing their children into the fire as sacrifices to the false god Molech.

" They built the high places of Baal in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to offer up their sons and daughters to Molech, though I did not command them, nor did it enter into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin." (Jer.32:35)

This is where the pagan Hell concept originated and most Christians have no clue. The valley of Hinnom is also known as GEHENNA. This valley of Gehenna became the garbage dump outside of Jerusalem. This word "Gehenna" has been translated by the King James Version Bible as 'Hell' and this is where all the confusion has stemmed from.

In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus was speaking to his disciples (not to the world) and he warned his DISCIPLES that those that don't follow the instructions of the Kingdom of God will be endanger of the fire of Gehenna....not literal fire....but the refining fires...fires of tribulation to be experienced in this life...to burn away the old corrupt nature (the dross) so that the new nature can come forth.

I can testify to the truth that I have been THROUGH the refining fires (and will continue to) until all of the old nature is completely purged so that only His life is seen and shines forth.

God is love and He chastens His sons....and all those that are His sons and daughters will go THROUGH the fire...and come forth as gold!

One can say yes to the fire now or the fire later but one will go through the fire. To all those who are reading these words let it be settled once and for all in your hearts that this fire is not a literal fire...it is a spiritual fire...A CONSUMING FIRE....this fire is GOD and He is LOVE. (Heb.12:29).

Be blessed Reconstituter001!

Jesus is the saviour of the WHOLE WORLD, "As in Adam all die, so too in Christ ALL shall be made alive." (ICor.15:22) All means all. The pagan 'hell' of literal fire & eternal torment is a lie and is SPIRITUAL TERRORISM. http://www.hopebeyondhell.net

The fire of remorse where innocence discovers matur'ity.

Have you ever done anything you regret.


Yes you have you just don't know it.

The Big Kahuna.

Some truth become self-evident.

Some have said hell isn't place one is sent to but what each does to themselves.

Free includes debt-free!

"There is no "god" that will

"There is no "god" that will send you to hell, but there IS a government that wants you to behave when it's not around ....hence the idea of the "god" and why the government promotes religion."

The conclusion does not follow from the premises.

But hey, who cares? If you do not believe in God, no worries. Behave however you like while Uncle Sam is preoccupied. What skin is it off your nose?

I think it is high time we discuss a little history in these assumptions parading as facts. Does it ever occur to those who denounce religious convictions that much of Western history has been influenced by Christian teaching, and yet the history of the West is replete with revolution and continual striving towards reforms. Ever heard of the Magna Carta? What about the Protestant Reformation? This sort of post reminds me of something GK Chesterton wrote. He said the next best thing to being inside Christendom, was to be outside of it. By this he meant that the most ridiculous critics of Christianity are those too stupid to realize how they have benefited from the influences of Christianity upon the very culture they live within. He thought it would be easier to appreciate the cultural benefits of Christianity from afar, within a culture untouched by it.

Question is, "Which" religion(s) does government "promote?"

There has never been an official "promotion" by government of the Biblical faith "once" delivered to the saints. It's always a counterfeit. Senator Santorum wasn't the product of an organic, grassroots ground swell anywhere near the way Ron Paul was. Seems to me someone/something was promoting him. Senator Satorum who is proud of our kill list is Catholic.

Yes, some religion(s) are more shall we say palatable to those in elitist circles of government.

www.SpirituallySmart.com has several photos of high ranking politicians and "religious" figures that are quite revealing:



I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war. Ps 120:7
Better to be divided by truth than united in error.
"I am the door." -Jesus Christ

I'm going to assume you are serious and try to respond seriously

do any of these ring a bell?...

"in god we trust"

"one nation under god"

OR the fact that churches protected from taxes and get other benefits that aren't afforded to entities.

Religion moderates people, makes them controllable, and manipulates them into having "faith" in their leaders.

The abuse of "God" does not disprove God.

It is a logical fallacy to suggest that because many have endeavored to make dishonest use of religion, that all religion is false---or that the God upon which much of that religion is based is not a reality.

It simply does not follow.

It is somewhat like arguing that since nobody follows our Constitution anymore, the Constitution is a fraud and there never was really a Constitutional Convention.

I know very little of other religions, but when it comes to Jews and Christians, very few of them ever give any consideration to how and why it is that the kinds of events described in their scriptures are not how happening. But that does not disprove those events any more than noting that there is not currently a "Big Bang" underway would prove that no "Big Bang" ever happened.


Very true.

Most major religions share very similar esoteric (inner/hidden) teachings with more in common than people may know. They each then created their own exoteric (exterior) traditional/symbolic representations of those esoteric teachings. Then they began fighting over who's metaphor for the same thing is more right.

I left a comment below with a link you may like to check out.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Not to.... nitpick... but

Not to.... nitpick... but technically the big bang "is" happening currently. With the hubble we can see all the way back to the original point of blast.

Oh Really?

"With the Hubble, we can see all the way back to the original point of blast"

What an insane foolish statement!

The wisdom of man is foolishness to God!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Magwan, kindly post an image of the blast.

Not to.... nitpick... but technically the big bang "is" happening currently. With the hubble we can see all the way back to the original point of blast.

Please post an image of the blast.


Hey Jack

I'm sure it will be a photoshop! LOL

The real "Big Bang" is coming however!!

~ 2 Peter 3:10 ~

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Maybe, but probably not.

Hubble he did not prove the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate.

He demonstrated that distant objects doppler shift toward the red spectrum.

Einstein pointed out is his theories of relativity that observers could not tell the difference between gravity or velocity causing a red shift.

It was shown that stationary quasars next to massive galaxies also show red-shifts.

All we know to date is that there is a redshift in distant objects.

It could be caused when we look through the mass of the universe.

It could because they are accelerating away.

Or even both.

Free includes debt-free!

If Near Deathers Experience God, Then God Is ...

... no better than NWO political leaders.

NDEers and alien abductees alike report being subdued with an incredible feeling of love and peace. But the alien abductees are subsequently abused, and the NDEers are asked or forced to return to living a life of pain and suffering on this evil planet. So clearly these spiritual/superhuman entities are not benevolent beings. Rather they are no better than NWO political leaders.

It's ALL just politics!

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Interesting Stuff!

Too bad parts 3 and 4 were repeats of part 1 however. Perhaps youtube censored out the best parts?

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Government & organized religion both function in the same way.

Hegel talked about this stuff 200 years ago.

G.W.F. Hegel: "The State is as God walking on Earth".

"The State is the Divine Idea as it exists on earth … We must therefore worship the State as the manifestation of the Divine on earth … The State is the march of God through the world … The State must be comprehended as an organism … To the complete State belongs, essentially, consciousness and thought. The State knows what it wills … The State … exists for its own sake … The State is the actually existing, realized moral life."

As former Constitution Party presidential candidate Michael Peroutka wisely observed, “The whole concept of New World Order is something else, it really says that the State is God.”

Me: Both government and organized religion function on guilt trips and thought crime. Examples: You did not pay all of your taxes, you enjoyed drinking that beer too much, you could have given more to the church, and "keeping up with the Jones'" is coveting. The government has purposefully removed God from our lives and has replaced God with itself. The government uses the same Biblical introspective technique of Jesus Himself.

guilt trip:

when someone tries to make you do whatever they want you to. so they start making you feel bad about something.. so then you'll give in and do whatever they want.

thought crime:

an instance of unorthodox or controversial thinking, considered as a criminal offence or as socially unacceptable; origin: from George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four

Examples of Biblical guilt trips/thought crimes

Matthew 5:27-28

You have heard that it was said by them of old time, You shall not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Matthew 19:23-24

Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.