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What is G.O.D.?

G.O.D.- Government Ordained Deity.

There is no "god" that will send you to hell, but there IS a government that wants you to behave when it's not around ....which is partly why the government promotes religion.

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You're telling me that Caesar "created" a religion that forecast his empire's very violent downfall? You're telling me that Caesar created a religion whose Messiah loudly and occasionally violently opposed the system? That Caesar created a religion that explicitly prohibited worshipping Caesar and the Roman "gods?"

Go read the New Testament again. If a Roman official/politician appears, they're a cowardly scumbag and a completely self-interested turd. There were multiple instances of a Roman military officer being all too willing to imprison without cause or beat without cause, only stopping when Paul makes the situation awkward by informing them that he's a citizen. The only all-around decent Romans that appear are:

a) the believers in Rome, who are decidedly not in Caesar's good graces, or

b) the occasional pious military officer.

Also, there's no motivation. Seriously, if you're going to make a claim like that, you've got to supply a motive that a rational person could accept.

Also, consider the work involved. It defies all common sense to think that a central Imperial government that is inept on a truly epic scale could manage to:

a) create a doctrine that so thoroughly fulfilled Jewish prophecies that it gained converts in massive amounts, and

b) fabricate so much evidence that there's not even a real debate among modern secular historians about whether Jesus was a person, though His godhood is, of course, endlessly debated.

Have you learned nothing from our current gov't?? LOL

Smoke and mirrors my friend, good luck.

Whoa, there.

Your entire response consists, essentially, of saying, "I'm right, you're wrong, na na na?"

You're on the Daily Paul, you should be above that. Believe it or not, mocking me proves nothing on your part. You made a claim, so back it up.

there's nothing to respond to when you say "go read the bible"

go do some research yourself like I have done. GOOGLE is a wonderful tool

You are a fool if you think

You are a fool if you think there is no god. Its easy to prove scientifically with the law of entropy. The law of entropy states that the universe always goes from a state of order to one of chaos...always. This means buildings will crumble with time...planetary orbits decay, etc. Entropy always wins without fail....imagine a plate with blue m&ms and green m&ms. The blue are on one side and the green on the other...perfectly divided. Now set that plate on a vabrating surface. According to the law of entropy the neatly ordered candy will slowly mix the green and the blues together until its just a random mass of colors, and this is exactly what will happen every time...except one. The one time Entropy does NOT win is when you introduce an outside force. In this example the outside force would be a person who is constantly sorting the greens and blues into their respective groups....outside forces are the only thing holding entropy at bay....and its the only thing that can. Now lets think critically about this..if entropy state that things tend from a state of order to one of disorder(or from greater complexity to less complexity...the same thing) then how did life evolve? That is the OPPOSITE of entropy...its something going from a state of less complexity to one of more, therefore for it to happen by science that means there MUST be some outside force. You can argue about the nature of this outside force as much as you want...as to its intentions(whether its Jehovah or Kali or Zeus etc etc) or its methods(whether it used evolution as a tool or whether it just created out of thin air etc.) but the fact will always remain that because of the law of entropy there is an outside force. You can also see evidence of this in the big bang theory....energy can neither be created nor destroyed....so where did the energy for the big bang cone from? Oh from the collapse of a previous universe? Ok...where did the energy in that one come from? See the never ending logic loop here. The fact is the universe CANNOT be explained unless you factor in the existence of some outside force...period.

You are misinformed

That is a common misconception about entropy in the apologetic circles. First, the Second Law of Thermodynamics only works in a closed system, the universe is not a closed system. Ever heard of "time"? - that is variable as Einstein proved. Christian apologists have been trotting that one out for decades, no matter how many times it is debunked.

The universe only moves towards "chaos", whatever that is, let's call it expanding and converting energy to matter, by expending energy. Eventually, once the energy hits equillibrium, order is restored - and begins the collapse, the reverse of the big bang if you will.

I'm not a scientist, and you obviously are not either. Here is a good summary:


Plus - your scenario doesn't account for the genesis of your deity if we would even for discussion sake accept the idea of the law of entropy - which demands a closed system, your deity could not be outside of a closed system and control chaos. And, inside of a closed system they would have to move to chaos as well.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

One simple definition or explanation suffices.

Thou shalt not make of me anything that is in the earth, or on the earth or over the earth.

Nature in its every aspect is conditioned and condition-able. For every action there is a reaction, cause and effect. Entropy is an identified manifestation based on the uncertainties created when time and energy are used to measured conditioning at a very small scale.

Is God the very freest being. Free even not to be. Is god absolute? Without ties. Can god create a stone so heavy that even he cannot lift it asks the Sunday School student.

Be wary of thinking of god in a carnal manner, warns Augustine of Hippo.

Power is a condition of nature. Power in the sense of force is conditional. One that account alone, nothing can resist God.

As soon as this truth dawns in the mind of man he becomes aware somehow, that the unconditionality of God makes unconditional claims on the souls of men.

The soul is free in the deepest sense, only because , in the midst of every urgency of the world, man can experience God as that which is most urgent but which never urges, as that which never coerces and which therefore is truly boundless and unbindable.

The freedom of God is an irresistible call for man's freest homecoming.

Man finds it easier to bear up under a divine force, rather than endure the forceless presence of God.

Divinity is the right to authority. Does it come from coercion?

As the OP pointed out. Governments would take advantage of man's folly.

My teacher was Fritz Marti.

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Sorry I stumped you

All your response contained was some hypothetical nonsense that assumes your god exists in the first place to fashion an answer - that is a logical fallacy called "Begging the Question".

If you can actually demonstrate anything you said using verifiable evidence, I'll listen. Until then, I wish you the best.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

It wasn't intended to be a demonstration of proof.

It was an intellectual argument meant to challenge the obstacles men erect to prevent understanding. Or as Schelling argued, Only the individual comes to God.

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Have fun with your New Age Gobblety Gook

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Excuse me, I'll not disturb your dogmatic slumbers


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So where did this outside force come from? If this outside force is some "God" controlling things or creating things, then it is obviously a very advanced entity. What created this advanced entity?
"God" is not even a creation theory to me because it only leads to another question of who or what created "God". Which makes it only a step in creation, much like the big bang or planetary formation is a step in human creation.

Great question!

Consider Jesus's statement: "I tell you, before Abraham ever was, I AM."

This sums up in a single sentence the explanation. God is outside of time; time itself did not exist before He created it. C.S. Lewis described God's point of view as "His eternal Now."

Nothing created God because God Is. He is outside of time and is thus not bound by it; the requirement of creation only applies to those things bound by physical laws. God, as the ultimate Creator of all things, is obviously not bound by such things. There was no "before" God, ergo there was and is no requirement to be created on His part.


John 14:10
Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

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And therein you hit the nail

And therein you hit the nail on the head...its another endless logic loop. In the end though there has to be a source for all things. Whether you believe in evolution or creation, the human race still started through a single man and woman. A single individual of one sex will not make a genetic mutation viable, just look at a horse and a donkey(or is it mule?)...almost identical genetically and they can even have offspring...but that offspring is always sterile, non viable. Therefore you must have two individuals of the same species to procreate(regardless of the variations within that species), hence a source.

G.enerator O.perator.

G.enerator O.perator. D.estroyer
Gives each breath we take.
Is within us, that close, all our life.
It/He/She/Beyond words can be experienced for yourself if you learn how to look.
Religion is the balm of the masses and is hogwash.
God is VERY real.

I agree ,there's a lot we don't know about

I'm agnostic about the idea of "god". I think it's a human concept.

Sure its a human concept

otherwise it would be utterly meaningless.

Many are angry at the idea of God.

God asks men not to bear false witness, steal, covet and kill.

Many have an idea of God, does their idea affect reality.

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IMO As more survelance cameras go up

and more of our activities are documented the less the government will promote religion with tax breaks, grants, etc...

"god" is a concept that has worked quite well at controlling people behavior but will continue to fall to the wayside as science progresses and those tools for control no longer work or are needed.