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Ron Paul TWEETS About SEAL Sniper's Chris Kyle's Death: 'He that lives by the sword dies by the sword'

Update: Rand Paul Responds | Update: Ron Paul clarifies his Tweet on Facebook

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Vince Coglianese | Daily Caller | 02/04/2013

Former congressman and libertarian icon Ron Paul tweeted a startling reaction to the death of SEAL sniper Chris Kyle on Monday:

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Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense.
5:05 PM - 04 Feb 13

Kyle and a friend were both killed by a veteran struggling with PTSD while working with him at a gun range on Saturday.

The former Marine, Eddie Ray Routh, turned his weapon on the other two men and shot them at close range, according to news accounts.

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Combat/war is addictive

so a retired two star Major General, revered by West Point once told me. He said surviving a combat experience gave him a rush he found difficult to dispel. Recall the end in the movie The Hurt Locker where Jeremy Renner’s character goes home and then we find him right back defusing bombs in Iraq unable to assimilate for long into a normal mundane life with his wife and infant son. It’s tragic that we send our young men to war and they aren’t the same after that. We focus on the sanctity of military service irrespective of the damage it causes to the psyche and one’s moral foundation. Ron Paul’s statement speaks to the flawed foreign policy that elevates military adventures to herodom. It was not directed at Chris Kyle personally who merely symbolizes the sickness of the culture that resulted in 160 sniper killings. Sadly Ron got a pummeling for speaking the truth as a man who served our country as a flight surgeon officer. Hagel, a combat veteran, also got pummeled at his hearing. There is an unhealthy disconnect when self-proclaimed patriots like Ted Cruz (who never served in the military) define these men by their own false paradigms. Rand’s tweet disappointed me for its misplaced emphasis albeit politically ‘correct’ tone; the Liberty movement is forced to work that much harder, sigh.
Chris Hedges (New York Times war correspondent and journalist): "The rush of battle is a potent and often lethal addiction for war is a drug."

IF YOU BLAME THE OPERATERS IN COMBAT

You will be playing right into the establishments hands by taking the anger out on the "soldier" rather than the politician that put them there. Sheepdogs are sheepdogs they have a job and do it well. Some honor their orders and oath better than others that's why they are called Special Forces and Elite Operators.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY RESEARCHED ANY NAVY SEALS? READ ANY BOOKS? WHAT IS THIS GARBAGE IM HEARING ON THIS SITE?!?!?!?!?!?!?

The public took out their anger towards war on the "soldier" back in Vietnam. And Now I am seeing that same hate and filth on here. That Man would have died for anyone of you AMERICANS. NAVY SEALS ARE NOT AVERAGE. THEY ARE NOT ORDINARY. BEST OF THE BEST. One of the hardest most brutally trained Operators on the planet. Some of the most educated. Respected. Diligent and Professional forces there ever will be. And you call somebody who embraced our Republic a War Machine? A Murderer? Forget Ron Paul for a minute. Look at yourselves. Where is your couth? Where are your morals? You civilians are suppose to verbally fight for our Liberty. That Man would have Physically done it so some would not have to when the time comes.

YOU USERS ON HERE SHOULD TAKE A GOOD HARD LOOK AT YOURSELVES TONIGHT. THINK ABOUT WHAT MOVEMENT YOU EMBRACED AND WHY YOUR HERE. BECAUSE WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO THE WIRE YOU WILL NOT STAND AS A INDIVIDUAL BUT WITH A GROUP. A GROUP SO THAT AFTER THE EVENT YOU CAN STAND AS A INDIVIDUAL. IF YOU HATE WAR, DEATH, DESTRUCTION. THEN YOU BETTER FIND A WAY TO COPE. REAL FAST. ITS COMING SOON. I HATE THOSE THINGS. BUT I RESPECT THE MEN WHO RISE UP TO A FIXED SITUATION AND STILL GO AND FACE THE ULTIMATE CHALLENGE OF OCCUPYING A FOREIGN LAND. NOT ONLY OCCUPYING BUT TRYING TO SAVE AS MANY AMERICANS AS THEY CAN. KNOWING FULL WELL THAT IT'S WRONG TO BE THERE. WRONG WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO. WRONG REASONS. WRONG EVERYTHING. BUT THEY STILL WENT AND DID THE BEST THEY COULD. And you hate them?

"Freedom is Popular"

Think about what you are saying.

Why are you part of this site? You'd deny someones life/liberty in another country, even if you don't agree with your reasons for being there? You find this somehow honorable? This comment is so ridiculous I had to log-in, just to point out how ignorant it is. People like you, dominate this country, and it scares the crap outta me.

Soldiers were tricked into going to war without declaration.

The people and their Congress did not declare war.

They let soldiers perform criminal acts in foreign countries And now the criminal actors want us to coddle them for a job well done.

What do you say to men who volunteered to do the Empire's dirty work of invasion and occupation on the flimsiest of excuses.

Saving Americans but killing innocents and destroying their property is hardly praiseworthy.

You, as individuals, just marched in, just marched out. Who has courage to stand against the group. Will the troops turn on those that leave?

The orders Commanders give to make ware are unconstitutional and have no authority to enforce.

And yes, I personally know a Navy seal.

Without the soldiers the Empire would fall. Soldiers are letting themselves be used, I don't have much sympathy.

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Killing for the state

Those who pull the triggers are just as guilty, if not more guilty of the crime, than those who ordered it.

Following orders is not an excuse.

US soldiers today are morally no different than the soldiers of the Wehrmacht.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

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You are a piece of fucking shit. It's because of pricks like you that give us a bad name. I am embarrassed to be part of this now. I cannot believe you just compared the US Military to the Fascist German Army.

YOU ALL HAVE FAILED ME! YOUR HATE WILL BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF AND USED AGAINST YOU. AND THIS MOVEMENT WILL CRUMBLE IN ON ITSELF BECAUSE A FEW OF YOU CANNOT KEEP YOUR STUPID INSENSITIVE MOUTHS SHUT!

"Freedom is Popular"

Just the facts.

Both the Wehrmacht and the US military fought for a fascist empire.

I'm sure many members of the Wehrmacht were naive kids who didn't know any better, just like many US servicemen.

But, nonetheless they both fought a war of aggression on behalf of a fascist, imperialistic government.

"You are a piece of fucking shit"

Love you too brother, God bless you.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Don't understand some of the

Don't understand some of the outrage. Treating alcoholism at a frat party doesn't make sense either.

"Great spirits have always

"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds" - Al Einstein

People's reaction to what ron paul said reminds me of this quote.

This tweet made me PROUD.

Thank God I supported Ron Paul. He will go down in history as one of the most courageous politicians in history. Kyle was a war machine. The resource wars he fought in are immoral and the "enemy" is often angry CIVILIANS. He had nothing to be proud of and that is a shame. Immoral wars suck.

Made me proud too!

Go get 'em Ron!

ron paul was speaking as a frustrated doctor not a politician

Ron Paul was tweeting as a doctor who is frustrated and disgusted and mourning of every single military vet suicide and ptsd case out there.

he wasn't tweeting as a politician who is looking to capitalize on every tragedy and say the thing that will appeal to the broadest spectrum of potential voters.

and NOWHERE does he say that these guys deserved to be killed! he is just stating the sad truth of what happens ...

Needs to be said...

He killed at least 160 people for the state and was proud of it, we shouldn't be pretending he was a great guy.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

I didn't need to read that manipulative psycho babble.

It's like playing buzzard bingo. The author speaks with authority while peddling unsubstantiated allegations cribbed from talking point from the editor.

Is it worth the time t shred this propaganda by exposing the fallacies and false images created for public consumption?

I stopped after the first paragraph. I didn't accpt the writer's authority.

The worst comments on DP at least are honest at times.

Thanks for posting. Glad I didn't have to waste time looking for this.

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hmmm interesting

While I can see the argument that Ron Wouldn't say this and he has people run his twitter account, I also think it has a very clear message everyone is missing.

This has the news letter business all over it. Ron does not micro manage his people even if they are putting out stuff with his name tied to it. I believe there was a disrespectful tweet about Jon Huntsman in the aftermath of the Iowa caucus that Ron had to apologize for and it wasn't Ron's work.

WE all know Ron is extremely polite and this comment is a bit too insensitive.

But Look at the message! Don't race to the Gun show to pick up AR-15s and 223. This has to be a nonviolent movement and far too many people get amped up about revolutionary fantasies. Violence is what we are fighting against because the state has a monopoly on violence. We are not going to over throw the state with violence. We have only one chance and that is to show everyone peaceful means are more powerful than the violent means. The goal is to expose how barbaric the state is in the face of truly peaceful people.

Hogwash. That is the MSM meme.

It is all over this thread. People here are beating up Ron Paul not for what was tweeted but for what the MSM said it meant.

Turn of the TV and think for yourself. Your arguments are your tell.

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dude I watch very little actual tv

and certainly not the news.

Whats the meaning? Its a quote from Jesus right?

To rebuke Saint Peter who was attempting to defend Jesus from clear and present danger.

What the Heck man?

to note that the violence wrought by over a decade of nonstop war in America leads to tragedy on the home front?

Seriously, are you suggesting Ron wants us all armed to the teeth and ready to march on DC?

Last speech Ron gave he said he was a chicken and he has always said Gandhi was a hero of his. I have never once hear him encourage anyone to buy guns and he doesn't even own a gun.

So please enlighten me WTF is the non msm meme meaning?

WTF is the non msm meme meaning?

I was hoping to hear your opinion. The MSM is all to willing to add their distractions to every conversation.

"Seriously, are you suggesting Ron wants us all armed to the teeth and ready to march on DC?" No. That would be a preemptive strike. But if an official threatens life and liberty without a warrant they are criminals. Each situation is to be judged on its merits.

No but Luke 22:36
Then [Jesus] said to them, "But now, whoever has a money-bag should take it, and also a traveling bag. And whoever doesn't have a sword should sell his robe and buy one."

Luke 22:38
And they said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords.” And he said to them, “It is enough.”

Luke 22:49-53
When those around Him saw what was going to happen, they asked, "Lord, should we strike with the sword?"

And one of them struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his right ear.

But Jesus answered and said, "Stop! No more of this." And He touched his ear and healed him.

Then Jesus said to the chief priests, the officers of the temple guard, and the elders, who had come for him, "Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come with swords and clubs?

When I was with you day after day in the temple, you did not lay hands on me. But this is your hour, and the power of darkness.”

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Don't ask me

I haven't a clue what you were talking about.

You told me my post was hogwash.

Said I was pushing something..."that is the msm meme"

People here are beating up Ron Paul not for what was tweeted but for what the MSM said it meant.

Turn of the TV and think for yourself. Your arguments are your tell.

I was trying to figure Why I am being accused of watching TV and not thinking for myself.

I really think it is a bad idea to use violence. Sure defend yourself as you see fit. But the best way to beat these idiots is through nonviolent means. They have a ton of trained killers in their ranks and sure if they cross the line one could be seen as justified in taking defensive actions.

All I am saying is these guys are the keystone cops...in the history of empires few have been this terrible at running one. If a few people start a shooting revolution the rest of the country isn't going to look favorably upon it. If we work through non violent means you will expose the state for the monster it is and it will be clear to the masses who the bad guys are and who is innocent.

I don't really think your bible quotes are demonstrating a clear call for violence; sorry.

People need to chill out...smoke some grass or something.

People get the government they deserve. Most everyone here Knows how F'ed up everything is, but there are many who refuse to believe it or don't even want to know about it. Not to mention just about every democrat is happy as a pig in sh!t with the current state of affairs and the GOP voters are just pissed they don't have their guy on the top of the terrible heap.

Gandhi never failed to push the point.

Civil disobedience was designed to get a reaction from the occupying force. Time after time the occupiers proved themselves to by tyrannical thugs.

Make the tyranny visible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNmJqRV7LOA

If I understand you correctly, we are on the same page.

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Yea

I don't know why I was getting called out. I had to look at your other posts in this thread b/c I remember you as being pretty good. I was really confused as to what was hogwash.

Still don't know what I had in my OP to be worthy of your Ire.

Been round here a while, just haven't been very active consistently...It gets loopy on this site when an election is near. I would much rather see conspiracy posts than delusional posts about taking over rnc and hope in a jesse benton operation.

The second and third paragraph were hogwash IMO

But, what's a disagreement among friends?

Don't sweat it. As I recall, you've added a lot of good commentary to DP.

Keep up the good work!

Peace Phathead!

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Even if...

Dr. Paul did tweet such a statement, I don't see where the controversy is. He was merely stating a fact. One of the most lethal snipers was gunned down by another solider with PTSD at a gun range. And clearly they should not have been at a gun range to begin with.

Twitter was hacked...

and a lot of accounts stolen!

Even if it were hacked

It was a widespread hacking and that amounts to hackers tweeting from hacked accounts that they were indeed hacked or a generic message. They don't have the man power to go on each individual Twitter account and write messages appropriate to that users' political preferences as well as being chronologically correct.

Keystone

http://www.dailypaul.com/273138/dr-lynn-margulis-a-beacon-of...

O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

160 confirmed kills.. Tragic, even if necessary.

The Fox news article says that "Kyle had 160 confirmed kills". That is a lot of blood. It is a shame that in 2013 one man has to kill 160 people he probably never knew. I'm not condemning him, but the policy that deems this to be necessary is a failure. At some point if our leaders can't broker peace, than they have to admit that they are failing, and administrations should be replaced.

"Where liberty is, there is my country." -Benjamin Franklin

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INDEED...like our current president

WHo has about 100 CONFIRMED kills of CHILDREN....from drone strikes.

We are SURELY living in a neurotic, mad scientist, crazy world where innocent children DIE at the expense of some corporation or that.

SICK!!!

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

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for almost 40 years, several times a year- ron paul would wake up at 5am, grab his youngest granddaughter and travel 2-3 hours ONE WAY through our HUGE district up to IAH(Houston intercontinental airport which sits on the OPPOSITE side of Houston from his home in Clute) drive through downtown houston at rush hour if need be). why?

Simply to meet a returning vet to meet him at the gate and give him the medal he earned and do so right in front of his family when he disembarked the plane.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016