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Ron Paul TWEETS About SEAL Sniper's Chris Kyle's Death: 'He that lives by the sword dies by the sword'

Update: Rand Paul Responds | Update: Ron Paul clarifies his Tweet on Facebook

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Vince Coglianese | Daily Caller | 02/04/2013

Former congressman and libertarian icon Ron Paul tweeted a startling reaction to the death of SEAL sniper Chris Kyle on Monday:

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Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense.
5:05 PM - 04 Feb 13

Kyle and a friend were both killed by a veteran struggling with PTSD while working with him at a gun range on Saturday.

The former Marine, Eddie Ray Routh, turned his weapon on the other two men and shot them at close range, according to news accounts.

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I SECOND THIS REPLY from Charles Wilson - So I repeat it here...

"I could not agree more Dr Paul.

The so-called war on terror is a load of bull shit.

Call me insensitive or what ever but I have a hard time showing any human emotion toward someone that has a record of killing people in a foreign country when that country does not, nor ever have, posed a direct threat to the US.

Our military is all volunteer, therefore they do have to take some responsibility for their actions."
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I couldn't have said it better.

Remember, Kyle is the hotshot who bashed Jesse Ventura in the head because JESSE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT U.S. foreign policy.

Obviously the guy had a mean streak and he went into a field where he could kill people legally.

Don't get me wrong. In a JUST war I would fully support our armed forces doing whatever it takes to win.

But in an immoral, illegal attack on a country (Iraq) which did NOTHING TO US - EVER, I don't sanction it. And yes - live by the sword - you might just die by the sword.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bremer, Rove, Wolfowitz, Kristol etc can all BURN IN HELL for taking this country into Iraq and killing countless tens of thousands of innocent people. WITH OUR TAX MONEY.

And every member of congress who voted FOR it can BURN IN HELL TOO.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

While I understand the

While I understand the context of the tweet it is making Ron look bad, very bad. True it makes his opponents look dumb because they are for the most part criticising Jesus, but since Kyle died all the anti-gunner posts emulated this quote in one form or another.

Another form of blowback.

Plus 22 or so suicides a day.

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Does anyone here really

Does anyone here really believe Dr. Paul has ever 'tweeted'.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
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I think tweeting would be something he would NOT do personally.

Reducing serious discussion to a series of sound bites is degrading.

Sounds like Lew Rockwell

Sometimes that guy can be an idiot

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Doesn't sound

Like the good Dr. to me.
The same man who said violent revolution would come if the government tried to disarm the people, said this? I just don't see it.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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How does it not sound like

How does it not sound like him? I believe this subject has come up before, is the one who pulls the trigger just as guilty as the one who orders him to pull the trigger? I think its refreshing to hear Dr. Paul unrestrained.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts.
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That isn't Ron Paul

I don't believe for a second that Ron Paul actually tweeted that. 1st - as was previously stated, when has Ron tweeted anything? Why start now & with what would obviously be a very toxic comment.

Ron, rightly, sees himself as part of a wave of change in America that invigorates the youth with message that society needs to be very honest with itself, but always while showing compassion and respect for those that don't understand certain principals of liberty, gov't, economics or whatnot.

Statements like this would make him to toxic for many to tolerate and thus stifle the larger message instead of building it up. (taking a public pot shot at a dead man...for what purpose?)

I've never read or heard a word from Ron Paul that was vindictive and this statement certainly boarders on that. Typically Ron has sympathy for people who are misinformed and shows respect for soldiers while criticizing how politicians and generals use them. So, unless the post-DC Ron Paul is planning on rattling many more cages (and I don't think that would be good, nor would it be his style), then I say there is no way this was him.

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I'd be willing to bet it was probably a staffer, who let his mouth override his ass.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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I have the right to bear arms.

Should I heed the warning. How am I looking to die?

If I don't live by the gun or weapon, what are healthy options.

Does the USA live by the sword?

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my sentiments exactly.

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Meh

I'm not one to parrot a politician, no matter how much I agree with said politician. I've never been on such shared ground with a politician as I have been with Ron Paul, but this statement lacks tact and class, so I truly hope he didn't personally tweet that. This won't be the first time I disagree with him, but it will be the first time I've felt that he was stooping to a level that was not in good taste.

Stooping to a level of bad

Stooping to a level of bad taste, being ordered to invade other countries, and following the orders to do so.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts.
-Patrick Henry

Oh give me a break. By your

Oh give me a break. By your assessment, everyone in the armed forces deserves to be murdered in cold blood. Brilliant.

You're a bit extreme. I don't

You're a bit extreme. I don't wish anyone to be murdered or think they deserve to be. My question is where do you yourself draw the line between guilty and not guilty for the war crimes that have happened? Does this stop at a certain rank or position?

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts.
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I won't entertain your

I won't entertain your deflection than to say you need only look to an individual's intent to surmise guilt.

And I'm not being extreme. The statement "live by the sword, die by the sword," is an eloquent way of saying "what goes around, comes around" in the context of combat, and it most certainly was distasteful.

The only intent of the

The only intent of the invader is to follow an order in what is perceived to be defending his country. So because he remains ignorant of this being a fallacy he is not guilty?
"Live by the sword, die by the sword," does not equate to, "what goes around, comes around". The context is in tyranny, if he is using his sword for tyranny then he himself will be terrorized. Not a matter of just combat, or just doing his job.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts.
-Patrick Henry

True or not

It seems a bit insensitive... I am thinking this did not come from Dr.Paul.

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3 reasons to doubt the authenticity of this

1. I've never heard (before now) of Ron Paul tweeting ANYTHING. If he has something to say, he would say it in more than just a few sentence tweet.

2. Ron Paul has never been known to criticize the military, only the government. This also contradicts his philosophy of avoiding personal attacks on anyone. Maybe the statement can be construed as a general statement, but coming so close off the individual's death seems just wrong and unlike what Ron Paul would say.

3. Ron Paul usually doesn't waste his time on topical news stories unless its to warn us about some illegal, secretive, undeclared war.

Just my opinion.

Tweeted at 5:05 PM - 2 hours from now?

The fact that the image being posted, shows this tweet occuring at 5:05 PM is what I find suspicious.

check it out:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/04/ron-paul-tweets-about-seal...

http://twitchy.com/2013/02/04/disgusting-ron-paul-attacks-mu...

Anybody?

edit:
I'm hearing now that this is UTC time (Universal Time Coordinated) aka GMT (Greenwhich Mean Time)

NJ

If this was all set up it is

If this was all set up it is a slam dunk for the establishment’s agenda:

Famous and well known Marine Scout Sniper killed (Gun violence) by vet on PTSD at firing range (Vets are not safe around guns). Ron Paul supposedly tweets something insensitive. (Libertarians ie 'truthers' dont care about victims- see Sandy Hook conspiracy)

This could definately be a isolated tragedy but it sure covers alot of their bases on the propaganda front.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

It doesn't really sound like something Dr. Paul would say.

I am a bit confused by this. Ho do we know Dr. Paul really sent this tweet? Does he even use Twitter? It would not be like Dr. Paul at all to blame Kyle for his own death. I know he is upset by the high incidence of PTSD and suicide among our soldiers. But he does not blame them, he blames the government's foreign policy. Very odd.

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The comment isn't exactly

The comment isn't exactly blaming Kyle. The saying that if you live by the sword, you die by the sword means that if you subject yourself to a violent life and surround yourself with violence, you're probably going to be a victim of violence at some point.

I agree with Dr. Paul's tweet

A gun range is not a good place to help someone with PTSD (I wouldn't think).

And tama (I believe) gets what Dr. Paul was saying.

A more accurate statement

A more accurate statement might be, "And tama gets what a twitter feed claiming to be from Dr. Paul was saying." because Dr. Paul is typically very consistent in his position on issues and a "live by the sword, die by the sword" mentality flies in the face of many of Dr. Paul's established positions.

He doesn't discourage gun ownership in general. He avows a Christian world view, with forgiveness and finding ways to work with perceived adversaries as a common theme when he addresses working in congress.

I don't see why anyone would believe this is really a quote from Ron.

To say that one 'lived by the

To say that one 'lived by the sword and died by the sword' isn't an anti-gun statement. I think you're being overly sensitive on that if you are saying it's an anti gun stance/statement.

If Dr. Paul said what the tweet said - I think Paul was describing Kyle's life (or at least the life the public knew) - and that's without reading too much into it and applying your own bias to the statement.

Not exactly a compassionate statement

I hope RP didn't write that. It sounds pretty bad. There were plenty of Vietnam, WWI, and WWII vets who had PTSD that didn't shoot their friends or trainers. It doesn't seem like a subject RP would even comment on, since nobody really knows the backstory. Either way, it was a stupid comment. I wouldn't think RP would say such a thing.

Look at the time stamp - tweeted at 5:05 PM?!

Look at the time on the image all these sources have been posting! It shows this as being tweeted at 5:05 PM, several hours into the future. How can this be legit?!
Look!
Here:
http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/04/ron-paul-tweets-about-seal...
and here:
http://twitchy.com/2013/02/04/disgusting-ron-paul-attacks-mu...
and here:

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