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Ron Paul TWEETS About SEAL Sniper's Chris Kyle's Death: 'He that lives by the sword dies by the sword'

Update: Rand Paul Responds | Update: Ron Paul clarifies his Tweet on Facebook

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Vince Coglianese | Daily Caller | 02/04/2013

Former congressman and libertarian icon Ron Paul tweeted a startling reaction to the death of SEAL sniper Chris Kyle on Monday:

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Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense.
5:05 PM - 04 Feb 13

Kyle and a friend were both killed by a veteran struggling with PTSD while working with him at a gun range on Saturday.

The former Marine, Eddie Ray Routh, turned his weapon on the other two men and shot them at close range, according to news accounts.

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PTSD is among the diagnoses they slapped on me

It related back to being raped, and resulted in a huge hole of "I'm helpless" in my psyche. Time learning to use a weapon was actually a key element of my learning to feel "in control" of my life again.
I know that is not the same as war induced PTSD, but the statement is still not correct, and it is unlike Ron Paul to speak so broadly and be so wrong.

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What is wrong about the statement?

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It is the second sentence I disagree with.

Explained in other replies, but basically, I think it could be a very good treatment for some people.

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Your right it was a broad

Your right it was a broad statement. I was only thinking of the context of one neighbor and a co-worker. One whom told a haunting story. Some of there reactions have scared the shit out of me.
I don't believe Ron Paul was speaking broadly, but in the context of two veterans who misread another vet's symptoms. But as about 90% of the time on this site I could be ignorant again.

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You Say "Someone With PTSD"...

...that is pretty damn broad, don't you think?

Knowing that, on what do you base your belief?

Is it on personal experience with your individually caused PTSD?

Is it due to your exposure to a broad spectrum of those who purport to be suffering from PTSD?

Or is it based on some general largely baseless 'feeling'?

Your right it was a broad

Your right it was a broad statement. I was only thinking of the context of one neighbor and a co-worker. One whom told a haunting story. Some of there reactions have scared the shit out of me.
I don't believe Ron Paul was speaking broadly, but in the context of two veterans who misread another vet's symptoms. But as about 90% of the time on this site I could be ignorant again.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts.
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what do you mean? your statement is kind of vague.

that you shot half a dozen women and children and under the same circumstance these 3 people went through, you went to a shooting range and it helped? or do you garner too much stress from waiting tables and find shooting a gun therapeutic? i don't get it.

I replied based on the short tweet attributed to Dr. Paul

A simple reading of the tweet and my comment should provide a simple understanding of a simple general issue.

RP tweeted about PTSD and the range being somehow wrong, to paraphrase.

I saw nothing in Ron Paul's commentary about the reason(s) for the shooters purported PTSD, did you? Yet you went straight to comments about the murder of women and children, why is that?

My comment stands just fine.

I find range-time to be therapeutic and an excellent camaraderie builder. Some men who have been in combat and/or other deadly force situations, in a variety of circumstances, find shooting to be soothing and relaxing. I know that I do.

Get over it if you don't 'get it'.

there's no one else that causes people to examine their views

as does RP.. love it

to stop and think, if it's true this sniper bragged about sniping people in illegal war, i am not sure where all the fawning 'respect' is coming from. that he is an efficient killer? it's strange how people forget iraq's irrelevance to 911. is the servile attitude to servicemen simply to prevent a disincentive when it comes times of real crisis? if so, that's pretty pathetic

If you believe this man

If you believe this man killed indiscriminately, you're already allowing your bias to cloud your judgement. Snipers ONLY ROLE is to secure troops in the field of combat. You can rest assured that this man most likely saved more troops than killed enemies.

So we sent him were he didn't belong and the troops too.

Looking for trouble is a good way to find it.

US Troops killed more civilians in one year than Saddam killed in thirty.

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Right, so all troops deserve

Right, so all troops deserve what they have coming to them. Lol, fucking awesome. [/sarcasm]

What do they deserve for following unconstitutional orders.

I am not happy to read any obituary, but some I admit, I am not sad to see.

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You're another Westboro

You're another Westboro member, whether you know it or not. Kudos for being a douche bag.

Were any of his 256 kills innocents?

We praise cold-blooded murderes,

But Bradley Manning is jailed for who knows what?

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Exactly, apparently being in

Exactly, apparently being in the service automatically makes you a hero.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts.
-Patrick Henry

Guess who else said this? Jesus

Matthew 26:52
Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

For those freaking out that Ron Paul made this tweet, I'd say this is not the first time I've heard Ron Paul sound an awful lot like Jesus....(and sometimes "offensive" or "bristly" to the masses).

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It's also

been used as part of MAIG coalition's campaign, the brady campaign, and a gaggle of anti gun groups. It has a lot of negative connotations ascribed to it.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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I could get into a long drawn out convo but....

Jesus also said "Sell your garment and buy a sword" (Luke 22:36-38). When the disciples returned with only two swords among the lot of them Jesus said "it is enough".

In other words, when Jesus said "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword" = offensive moves, when Jesus said "Sell your garment and buy a sword" = defensive moves. You'd have to understand both versus contextually to understand.

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
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What

What does that have to do with anything i said?
What was tweeted has a lot of bad media, and anti liberty groups circling around it. That's how average Americans see it and that's how the media uses it.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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Because Ron Paul being a Bible believing Christian,

he also knows about this other "Sell your garment and buy a sword" verse. I guarantee you. He also understands the difference in the occasion and circumstances that Jesus used both verses and we also KNOW how he feels regarding "life" and "defense of life" versus "offense to life". Make sense?

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Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
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I'm following butterfly,

I wonder if the invading Roman forces disarmed the public?

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Good question

Every family would have knives for "kosher killing" of animals so I'm guessing no on "disarmament". Never thought about this one.

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
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Yeah, I never considered what's needed to command compliance,

Didn't they attempt to disarm the Iraqis, before they armed the fighting factions.

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Not RP Posting

Whoever tweeted this is probably the same person running the "Ron Paul" facebook page--same profile picture, too. For example, this facebook status recently:

Status Update
By Ron Paul
Several headlines the past two days screamed out that "defense spending plunged 22% last quarter." Wringing of hands by the Neo-cons has erupted. Washington accounting quackery can explain it all. Government officials are good at gross distortions and fear-mongering. Be assured that military spending is not about to go down. The Military Industrial Complex won't allow it. Remember, the spending has nothing to do with "defense" only militarism. The scare tactics, participated in by both Democrats and Republicans, are designed to head off sequestration. And even that would only nibble away at proposed increases. Don't they know that lying isn't nice!! Time for a R3VOLution. REP

Whatever the sentiment, does this really sound like Ron Paul speaking? Has he ever called someone a liar? Correct me if I'm wrong...but even when Ron Paul strongly disagrees someone, he's still polite and courteous. Frankly, I think whoever is running these accounts is being entirely inappropriate by using this kind of language in Ron Paul's name.

when asked once

(i forget what the subject was,) but the question from the newscaster was: "what's the first thing the president do?

Paul: "stop lying."

And this, yet again, reflects

And this, yet again, reflects poorly on Ron's staffing quality control standards, as well as his reputation management strategy. You don't put incompetent nitwits at the helm of your two biggest social networking accounts.

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