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Ron Paul TWEETS About SEAL Sniper's Chris Kyle's Death: 'He that lives by the sword dies by the sword'

Update: Rand Paul Responds | Update: Ron Paul clarifies his Tweet on Facebook

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Vince Coglianese | Daily Caller | 02/04/2013

Former congressman and libertarian icon Ron Paul tweeted a startling reaction to the death of SEAL sniper Chris Kyle on Monday:

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Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense.
5:05 PM - 04 Feb 13

Kyle and a friend were both killed by a veteran struggling with PTSD while working with him at a gun range on Saturday.

The former Marine, Eddie Ray Routh, turned his weapon on the other two men and shot them at close range, according to news accounts.

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Another form of Blowback

Personally, I hope this story gains a lot of traction. Yes it is controversial but it is also the truth.

If this story brings more light to PTSD, 20+ Vet suicides DAILY and the unintended consequences of bad foreign policy, then Dr Paul will have succeeded once again with his message.

I see very little difference in a tweet like this and his exposing the scam of Central Banking and the Federal Reserve system.

It upsets the apple cart and rightly so.

I hope he gets flooded with MSM interview requests and gets the media talking about what caused this tragedy in the first place.

I think if one steps back and looks at the bigger picture, one might realize that the tweet was simply brilliant.

A stealth catalyst to open the Establishment MSM into discussing the massive Vet suicide rate, PTSD and the only reason these two things are happening with such frequency, in the first place: Bad Interventionist Foreign Policy and Blowback on several fronts.

How ironic that 140-150 military veterans are killing themselves EVERY FREAKING WEEK and Ron Paul tweeting the truth about a murdered sniper is an outrage.

One day, I'm gonna' change my name to Dale Lee Paul

Not only are you entirely too

Not only are you entirely too optimistic (when does Ron get a fair shake during an interview?), but it completely misses the point. To suggest that Veterans are responsible for this foreign policy, and hence deserve to be shot point blank in the head, is not appropriate and is entirely misdirected.

I appreciate your optimism

I appreciate your optimism but until Dr. Paul does something this tweet is nothing but damaging.

Douchebag move RON!

Trying to remain relevant?

Damaging to the war propoganda

Listen to the propagandists howl.

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This seems...

...like a brilliantly orchestrated psyop.

1) Veterans in general demonized.
2) Supremely lethal individual and gun advocate removed.
3) Divides the pro-gun camp over praise or condemnation of Kyle.
4) PTSD becomes perfect excuse to remove gun rights.
5) "Ron Paul" made to look like a fool or jerk in the eyes of many.

Even if it turns out it's fake, this meme is gonna stick for a while.

I have to hand it to Them, though, this particular operation was a work of absolute genius. If it weren't so heinous it'd be artistic.

A brilliantly orchestrated psyop,

and an equally brilliant analysis. +1

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I was writing a paper on how social media has changed society, and realized the very, very dangerous effect of little units of easily-recited information.

Think about Aurora; the meme gets out that the shooter had a bulletproof vest. He didn't, but you wouldn't know that if you asked Joe American who didn't do a lot of research. Same goes for the meme that Lanza used an AR-15 (still haven't seen any proof).

Even if it wasn't orchestrated, the Establishment is jumping in glee at the sheer number of damaging memes coming from this.

Support the troops, bring them home before more damage is done

USA should stop living by the gun around the world.

It was a stake in the heart of the boodthirsty neocon.

Listen to the beasts wail!

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I believe it was Ron Paul

And I believe he is exactly right, but people are misunderstanding him.

Kyle had not just participated in this horrible war, he embraced it - even bragged about it. He had the ability to dehumanize his enemies. Men that weren't stone cold killers like kyle often ended up with PTSD, and so it is a condition that he and his ilk are responsible for that ended up killing him.

He lived by war, and it was the damage that the war had caused that ended up killing him.

That does NOT justify murder,

That does NOT justify murder, and Ron's tweet implicitly made such justification. It was tactless and distasteful. If he confirms to have tweeted that statement, I'll have a hard time viewing him in the same light, as will many others.

Callous commentary does nothing to advance a philosophy. Nothing at all.

Did you know that

It was Jesus who made the Live by the sword die by the sword quote ? and it was not meant to justify murder. It is meant to explain how the world works. How there are unintended consequences of violence that always come back to hurt you.

It amazes me that there are so many people who misunderstand this -there is no critical thinking when it comes to soldiers. It's mostly because of how we venerate soldiers and pathetic victims like Gabby Giffords. The government wants us to be subservient to them and their soldiers, essentially they want us all to be helpless victims like Giffords.

Even if that's the case I

Even if that's the case I hope Ron issues a statement because the tweet left alone and by itself is very damaging and many would consider it a PR nightmare.

He's not running for anything.

But it is stirring the neocon hornet's nest.

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I understand that but it

I understand that but it reflects on his message and the movement as a whole. I know we've been through this with Ron many times but this tweet looks like he's attacking Vets. I can't type fast enough to defend Ron on the daily caller article.

People were calling in to

People were calling in to Medved's show already talking about how this is going to affect Rand's chance at 2016...these callers almost seemed staged! Like, are you kidding me?

Wasn't Twitter just

hacked a few days ago?

Michael Medved is absolutely

Michael Medved is absolutely destroying Ron Paul right now, I sure hope RP comes out and says that this was not him and Medved can shut his mouth.

Don't worry, These are the same people

That were so sad when Barney the Dog died.

They have a peasant mentality, and worship this state thugs.

This is embarrassing neocons everywhere.

Listen to them scream.

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I also

I also doubt RP tweeted this. Attempted smear campaign? Someone did kick off a big new PAC today aimed at the likes of us. Just thinking...can some of you older and wiser timm seasoned vets help me out if I am way off base?

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This sounds nothing like Ron Paul, because it's so interventionist (if for no other reason). A group of free individuals made the choice to go to a gun range (despite one of them suffering from PTSD).

Dr. Paul isn't the type to stick his nose into other people's business and tell them what choices they should or shouldn't be making. "Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense." This kind of commentary is not him at all. Unless there was some kind of law FORCING the PTSD sufferers go to gun ranges, he would never have said that.

He's a doctor, this is

He's a doctor, this is absolutely his kind of commentary.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts.
-Patrick Henry

First off, he's not a

First off, he's not a psychologist.

Secondly, when has he ever commented on other people's personal medical choices? He only speaks up when the government gets involved.

Him not being a psychologist

Him not being a psychologist does not discredit his expertise. He absolutely had the general education in this field to be able to say what is good and bad treatment.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts.
-Patrick Henry

I agree. What kind of common sense is missing?

Arm an angry man and turn your back on him?

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I'm not sure if you two

I'm not sure if you two really want a response, but what you're trying to argue about ignores the basic point of my comment. Ron Paul does not tell other people how to live their lives. Period. I only brought up the bit about him not being a psychologist to point out the absurdity that just because he's a medical doctor, he's going to be telling people how they should treat themselves for PTSD. His lack of qualifications (and in this particular area, I do think he is unqualified) are beside the point.

Let me put it this way:
Ron Paul's a father; he doesn't tell you how to raise your kids.
Ron Paul's a politician; he doesn't tell you how to run for office.
Ron Paul's an author; he doesn't tell you how to write.
Ron Paul's a doctor; he doesn't tell you how to be healthy.

See the pattern? Unless force is being used, he's not going to tell people what they should or shouldn't do. No one forced a PTSD soldier to go to a gun range. QED.

He's not telling dead men what to do. Their dead.

Did they choose poorly?

He seems to be looking for sense in the therapy they chose.

But seems to be unsupervised by the outcome, it's often been true in history.

I would like to here the shooters side of the story.

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I could not agree more Dr

I could not agree more Dr Paul. The so-called war on terror is a load of bull shit. Call me insensitive or what ever but I have a hard time showing any human emotion toward someone that has a record of killing people in a foreign country when that country does not, nor ever have, posed a direct threat to the US. Our military is all volunteer, therefore they do have to take some responsibility for their actions.