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GOP ousts another Paulian

GOP Expels Another Paulian

Posted by Lew Rockwell on February 4, 2013 12:00 PM
The government political party of Lincoln, Hoover, Nixon, and the Bushes hasn't changed its spots in case you wondered. (Thanks to Jim O'Connor)

http://www.newsminer.com/news/alaska_news/article_cbede908-6...

February 4, 2013
Re: Expulsion of Paulians
Posted by Butler Shaffer on February 4, 2013 12:50 PM

Lew: I don't understand why Ron Paul supporters would want to be in the GOP in any event. They should all withdraw from this mob of leviathan worshippers and take their creative and highly-principled energies to other venues.

I recall that the corporate-state wing of the Republican Party employed similar purges following Barry Goldwater's loss to Lyndon Johnson in 1964. Why were the neo-cons not forced out of the GOP following Obama's election in 2008, and re-election in 2012?




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Folks, this is just the beginning...

This is just the beginning of what they will do. Here is a prediction of whats coming next: http://www.dailypaul.com/273554/gop-civil-war-freedom-advanc...

Share this so we can spread the word and get ready with strategies of our own!

I'm Free like a Willy! Happy Day! Oops thats a bit of a cliche!

Proto-bolshevik Tarpley predicts death of GOP, split in DNC

Proto-bolshevik Webster "the Griffin" Tarpley predicts the death of GOP as a national party, retreating into the racist south and mountains, while the Democrat party splits into two pieces: a Wall Steet tycoon portion and a liberal progressive portion.

Whereas I cannot see the Dems splintering into the good and bad, I can see the GOP at least withering into a permanent opposition party, never again attaining power but providing tie-breaking votes for the military industrial complex.

If the GOP is purging its Ron Paul and liberty membership, then there is little to keep fascist/Kuibyshevist/collectivist Tarpley's prediction from coming half-true.

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

Freedom movement within the GOP

Where are the Paulites to go, to the Libertarians, or, found a new party to compete with the other odd third parties? The Libertarians have been trying to break into American politics for forty-one years. They have been fighting the "I like what you have to say, but you can't win," spin since 1976. The libertarians haven't been able to make a dent in American electoral politics, not even in the three times the party has been on the ballot in fifty states.

The two party system is etched in stone, so why fight it? Become a Republican Precinct Delegate. I did in the August primary election, and guess what. There is a libertarian oriented freedom coalition in every county across the state. I am listened to at conventions and caucuses because I am a Republican working within the system for change, not as a Libertarian on the outside competing for votes where both parties work to marginalize outsiders.

Ron Paul's candidacy in the 2012 primaries got more publicity for the libertarian movement than forty years of politicking by the Libertarians themselves. He got the exposure because he was speaking in Libertarian tongues as a Republican on a national platform. The media now recognizes libertarian Republicans, and begrudgingly, so does the Republican Party.

How many times do Libertarians have to be hit in the back of the head to wake up to political reality? The Socialists (1901 to 2011) woke up to political reality in the 1950's.

"The Socialist Party, USA, in 1956, chose to stop running candidates of its own, except on rare occasion. During the 1960's, we began to work in the Democratic Party. This is where our allies in the civil rights and trade union movement worked and continue to work politically. We are proud of what we helped accomplish within the Democratic Party, particularly the civil rights legislation and anti-poverty programs of the the 1960's. The struggle continues."

Who is in the White House now? A libertarian or a Socialist? Too bad the Libertarians didn't copy the Socialists and begin working within the Republican Party in 1972 as a caucus. If we had, perhaps we would have Ron Paul in the White House now. Thanks to the Republican, Dr. Paul, ironically, libertarian is now a household word."

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Options

I would never have remained politically active if I joined the GOP instead of the LP, because it was equally hopeless in California.

Not only would I have been in a party supporting Bush, Bush, and Romney, but a party supporting, in California, people whose names we forget who oppose Boxer, Feinstein, and others at the state level "who don't stand a chance."

If you can remain motivated in the GOP or Democratic libertarian movements, by all means, do so. However, if the cost/benefit analysis goes the other way, and you can pledge not to try and initiate force against others, you'd be welcome in the LP.

There's plenty to do in the LP: We've been out front against the drug war since it started, and we're winning that battle (too bad so many have been killed in the meantime). We gave Ron Paul a national platform, national donor support, and a national mailing list in 1988 which still functions today (only bigger). We have a place for people to go when they are mugged by the statists (Gary Johnson was cheated of a fair contest by the GOP--what should he have done? Give up?)

The main thing is to keep fighting, wherever you think you can be the most use without burning out. This effort for freedom never ends.

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and when they do

they change the rules, they oust them and form evil cabals like rove is cooking up to destroy them.

i think a new party is what's in order, one that grows in massive numbers and rises above the sinking GOP.

first and foremost the libertarian message of ron paul must spread more and more and more.

Lew is 100% right

Neo-Cons represent a clear and dangerous threat to the Liberty movement.

Our strength is in numbers and our message.

The Neo-Cons strength is their domination of right wing media, and a ton of money.

The key is to hit them where they can't defend their handful of candidates; State level grassroot movements

We badly need to unseat Eric Cantor, Lindsay Graham, John McCain.

That will send a clear message that the gloves are off. Just don't tell me it can't be done. Bullshit.

And don't tell me let's unseat Mitch McConnell or John Boehner. Lindsay Graham replaces McConnell and Eric Cantor replaces John Boehner. Who do you think started those movements? The damn Neo-Cons, they are playing for control.

...and here's Peter Schiff's REAL response...

..to Krugman, and the rest of the neo-con's pet economists who subscribe to the borrow-unto-prosperity plan!

http://postimage.org/image/etfv8oxqb/

LOL!

Hah!

Can't argue with an self absorbed idiot like Krugman, that salute sums it all up nicely.

You're absolutely right...

local and state level is where the movement has it's strength.

What I disagree with Lew is the notion that joining some other 3rd party will cure the ills of our society.

As knowledgeable and wise as Lew is, he, like many other libertarians are hamsters on a wheel, always spinning but never going anywhere.

Message of liberty can reach in more ears with the use of recognized party than a party that is used for leftovers. So I say to the leftovers, its time for you to become the main meal.

As Dr. Paul said it best, we don't needs a 3rd party, we need an actual 2nd party.

oh it's not over

It's an illegal manuever and I'm sure you'll see a lawsuit and maybe even an injunction. The fact is the process was performed correctly, the time to claim the chair was not a Republican was long ago before the election. If not the Alaska GOP will lose their status as a political party in Alaska.

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You cannot win in a contest where the other side makes the rules, changes the rules in the middle of the game, and if they lose according to those rules they simply ignore them and bull doze over you anyway. The moral decision is to quit the game and denounce it for the obvious fraud it is, not compromise yourself to a system you know is corrupt in hopes of somehow gaining "influence". You have as much chance joining the Gambinos in the hope of "reforming" and "taking them back" for any moral purpose.

But you may say "oh that is just what they want us to do". In the short term yes. In the middle to long term though, they need legitimacy. This policy they seem to have of stamping out all grassroots efforts to reform them, though in their short term interests, will in the long term cost them legitimacy. Their little club will lose legitimacy in the eyes of the citizens at an even faster pace than it otherwise would if nice people like you refuse to lend your good name to it. And this policy has the added advantage that your good name will not be tarnished by close association with either gang of thieves which will soon be seen for what they are by 90% of the country instead of just being seen as such by the minority who see the truth now. Very soon the majority of citizens will see the two DC based political parties as the gangs of thieves who destroyed America.

There are other ways to engage in politics, at least at the state and local level. They suggest that local or regional (within a state) groups recruit and back their own candidates for small offices. Political power should be dispersed so that there is no one set of "leaders" that the corrupt can buy off. I could write a lot about it, but its better you get it all from the book.

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

I have to add... WAH

What a whiner you are.

The founding fathers didn't call it ETERNAL VIGILANCE for nothing.

Did you think "eternal vigilance" meant voting once a year?
Did you think "eternal vigilance" meant going to a convention one time?

Perhaps ETERNAL VIGILANCE means being ETERNALLY VIGILANT every second of every day, i.e. putting down your g-d damned joystick, getting up from the TV and actually doing some WORK for liberty, not once, not for one election cycle, BUT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

Hmm... what a concept.

Your abusiveness is exceeded only by your ignorance.

You don't know anything about me and what I have done and still do so as to keep eternal vigilance. I will stack my efforts, inside the GOP and out, against yours any day. In fact, I was RP's official campaign spokesman for his Presidential Campaign in my state- in 08! I got that job by helping an outsider with no money win two state wide Republican Primaries, the second time as Campaign Director. I did the County Committee thing, was Vice Chair in fact. Everything you are urging people to do in the GOP, I have already done. Instead of lecturing me, you would be wiser if you asked the right questions and listened.

You know, at some point the Founders just decided that continuing to play the game and work the Royal system was not helping anymore. They would go through the process, get their petitions together, and then see them ignored. They would elect leaders only to see them sacked. They did not quit working for liberty when they quit going through the official hoops of the day, they just went from an ineffective means of fighting for their liberty to an effective one.

We have a captured party system that is analogous to the official system King George set up to deal with grievances. There is an elaborate process set up, but in the end its a private club and those at the top who fund it will do it their way. Fortunately, we can still operate outside that system, but it will be a process.

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

Hey that's great (kind of).

I've been doing what you have been doing INSIDE of the GOP for 20 years. I've been a Ron Paul Republican since 1994/1995.

So, goody on you. Ive held the EXACT same positions as you mentioned above on and off for 20 years.

So, while I commend you, you b*tched out after 1.5 cycles. Come back and talk to me after TEN YEARS of doing it.

Again, it's called ETERNAL vigilance.

I Did it for Ten Years Tough Guy

But unlike you, I have learned from my experience. You come back and talk to ME after another ten years of futility while I work locally where I can have an impact. Ten years later after you are still kissing the same Neo con arses, feting the next Karl Rove at your Lincoln Day Dinners, and knocking doors for the next decade of Romneys in order to "gain influence" I want to see how much good you have accomplished for liberty.

You can't out-user these users. IF you are sincere in your commitment to limited government, they will laugh at you behind your back and throw you away like a used dixie cup when you are too old to help them any more.

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

I don't know.

We're doing it locally. I don't want to tell you exact numbers but we have a high percentage of the state committee already in less than two cycles.

Furthermore, we are not seeking influence. Our goal is FLAT OUT DOMINATION AND CONTROL of the GOP, local and state. Thank you very much.

Taking over the GOP gets voted DOWN?

Nice

#eyeroll

And people wonder why we can't win? Look in the mirror those of you who downvoted taking over the GOP.

as lew rockwell pointed out

it's like taking over the gambino family.
ain't gonna happen.

we need a 3rd party that is so huge and strong it must be reckoned with.

spread the libertarian message of ron paul. no time to waste since one day the 2 party system (which is really 1 party)
may make 3rd parties illegal.

:"We need".

Collective statement that is a pipedream.

Ron Paul was clear he wanted us to follow his lead in the RepubliCAN movement.

I think he he a LITTLE tiny bit more experience at this than you and your "great ideas" may have already crossed his mind and he crossed them out for something that is more favorable and more likely.

show me where he was clear about that

i can provide something where he says that the two parties are irrelevant, that the republican party was not his party. he is SO about spreading his message, and has said time and time again that both parties are to blame, & really only one party. it's a charade. both wrong headed on foreign policy, both keynesians, both pro police state tactics. i have a feeling he has a LITTLE bit more experience at this than you as well. step down off that horse and give it some long term thought..

Correction.

I have not followed this post in its entirety, but Ron Paul has suggested to take over ALL parties.

It is natural to focus on the Republican party since that is what it is supposed to stand for, but to effect what will bring about Liberty, true conservatism and return to sovereignty, it will require the mindset of ALL Amercians of ALL parties.

This in my mind eludes back to the Constitution and our founding fathers where parties were not supposed to exist in the first place.

Example: if your area is predominantly democrat where republicans are outnumbered, work the democrats.

Josie The Outlaw http://www.josietheoutlaw.com/

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

I think it's hilarious.

That I get voted down by "activists" on the DP by pointing out what eternal vigilance means.

#eyeroll

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Some of your posts don't make sense. But the ones that do are right on.

Me thinks you are a good guy after all.

Toughen up and do the right thing and then you're in :-)

Josie The Outlaw http://www.josietheoutlaw.com/

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

+1 BUT....

...I'm willing to wager I've been "in" by your standard for a long, long time. Probably from well before you've been registered to vote. :)

I'll wager this:

Just about everybody here has been around loooong before I registered to vote.

I am one of the sad cases who didn't know the difference between a delegate and a paper ballot prior to January. To think that if I took an interest in politics many decades ago.. that is where I have failed.

Josie The Outlaw http://www.josietheoutlaw.com/

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

It's not a failure if you're on the right track now.

... i.e. Ron Paul Republican GOP activist!

So then get to the point where you make the rules...

...or at least have the power to protect the ones in place and make things fair for everyone.

Like I've said before, if you take all the LP-whiners and wild-haired-whiners, if it were 1776 and you were the ones fighting, we'd all still be speaking King's english and b*tching about tories.

And/or we'd all have been killed by Red Coats because they would have heard your b*chting and whining from miles away.

You know how to fix this?

**Assuming the ARP works like RPTX**

Everyone who voted to oust the legitimate chair gets removed from their state SREC positions during the next state convention. If there were enough grassroots to remove the neocon chair then there are enough to remove the neocon SREC members.

In addition, in your county executive committee meetings (assuming you have majority liberty peeps as precinct chairs) you should pass resolutions to throw out every SREC member who voted to go against the will of the grassroots.

Make it very well known to your state party representatives (SREC members) that they have lost their political power.

The establishment can only defeat the grassroots for so long.

So, another example of the

So, another example of the GOP welcoming the liberty movement into the fold. Good thing the recently reelected chairman said that they'd be stupid not to invite us in.

I guess they're stupid up in AK.

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