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GOP ousts another Paulian

GOP Expels Another Paulian

Posted by Lew Rockwell on February 4, 2013 12:00 PM
The government political party of Lincoln, Hoover, Nixon, and the Bushes hasn't changed its spots in case you wondered. (Thanks to Jim O'Connor)


February 4, 2013
Re: Expulsion of Paulians
Posted by Butler Shaffer on February 4, 2013 12:50 PM

Lew: I don't understand why Ron Paul supporters would want to be in the GOP in any event. They should all withdraw from this mob of leviathan worshippers and take their creative and highly-principled energies to other venues.

I recall that the corporate-state wing of the Republican Party employed similar purges following Barry Goldwater's loss to Lyndon Johnson in 1964. Why were the neo-cons not forced out of the GOP following Obama's election in 2008, and re-election in 2012?

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So we just keep bringing

So we just keep bringing people in every time there is an election. Eventually they'll get the picture that they are defeated. They are defeated anyway.

Top down dictatorships are not affected by

bottom up liberty movements. GOP as DNC are fronts for ROthscihld bank mafia.


Umm... 1776 and the revolutionary war.?


Thanks, founding fathers!

Don't listen to the defeatist Tories.

You make my point

Not a whole lot of listening to the bottom in 1775 change did not occure because of a bottom up take over of a party or due to a bottome up vote that elected a bottome up president.

Instead the top not only ignored but when they saw change comming their way war drums began to beat leading to the 1776 war.

So my point again is that change does not come because of bottom up movements in a dictatorship or pyramid gov structure. It comes after the top refuses to step aside. The GOP has purged RP supporters as they did after Goldwater a similar bottom up movement.

I am far from a defeatist. You do not know me. Labels are intellectually corrupt ways that immoral people use assert they know you, when they do not really know you at all. Most labels have been fed to their mind and did not originate with them. It’s Better to be a leader, a thinker, and think beyond labels to see individual sovereign humans.

I choose enlightened disengagement as my weapon of choice. I belive a leaderless revolt to be the response. When a critical mass of humanity reject as I have the Rothschild Mafia criminal debt issue system I believe most of humanity will follow.



"When a critical mass of humanity reject as I have the Rothschild Mafia criminal debt issue system I believe most of humanity will follow"

What does that actually mean in concrete reality? How many people constitute a "critical mass of humanity," and is this more or less than the numbers needed to win a Republican primary? What do you mean by "reject"? You mean...stop paying taxing and risk prison, for example?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Ok lets talk about reject and how that works

Stop paying taxes. Now enlightened disengagement means you disengage in a smart way. Prison will not help you, your family and any others who you could have helped if you were free.

Enlightened means you set a new goal in terms of money. Instead of making it your life ambition to gain as much Rothschild mafia false compounding national debt money you set a new goal.

Need as little to no slave curency as possible. Like climbing a mountian or any other goal you can set you work to it one step at a time until you get there. Grow a garden research and start using off grid solutions. Walk or use a bike. Work for yourself. Try to over produce and share with those around you. So if you earn less than the amount the extortionists and theives are interested in stealing, you reject them without having to get into groups or get violent or be put in front of a judge or face prison.

A slave finds freedom to be of great fear at first but in the end its a individual decission and an individual responsibility. What kind of legacy do you wish to pass along after you are gone.


Good question I ask that same question myself some time back

How many people constitute a "critical mass of humanity," and is this more or less than the numbers needed to win a Republican primary?

Well first because everything around me ended up to be a lie, liar history, liar media, liar government etc.. to find truth I like alot of evidence, I find the best truth in nature.

Contrary to the belief that a leader changes the direction of the masses as promoted by the Rothschld mafia. In nature when you look at a flock of birds or a school of fish or a herd of horses.
at first one thinks that in the front of the formation is a leader who makes decissions about changing direction and everyone just follows. BUT when you slow down the camera and start to count the numbers you may note that a change of direction occures when a critical mass of about 5 per cent and not always a formation from the front leaders change directon then the rest of the group follow.

So I rationalize humanity as well will see a world wide change when about 5% adapt Ron Paul's type of liberty. So if you want to say about 7 billion humans and about 350 million critical mass or about the size of the population of the area called United States.

When I gage from the responses I recieved ten or twenty years ago to this message and to how many people understand part or most all of the picture now that we are close to a critical mass and off grid solutions will be the hottest human issue in the next ten years.


And that's fantastic for you!

I commend you on what you do. I have no problem with what you do.

I do have a problem when you influence young, naive, new RPers who are now active and kicking @$$ in the party in an attempt to instill defeatism in them, thereby acting in loco of the enemy we are fighting, dividing us from the inside.

THATS what I have a problem with.

Don't argue back with me please, because you'll only prove MY point about the eternal uselessness of LP type wild hair Libertarians.

That said, what an individual chooses of their own volition to do - have at it, mate.

Oh yea a new perspective

You say we all need to get in a group and get the youth in that group and the group will lead this country back to a republic that follows its constitution. I have no problem with that view. It has some problems
First is money the opposition that you would defeat with your motivated moral liberty loving group does not issue its own money while the other side does.
Next we have a problem that each time in the past when a group like this formed it was taken over by those it is against. Either the leaders sell out or are discredited and a puppet is put in that leads the opposition back to the fold.
Third groups are not for me and not for alot of others, I want not to lead you and I do not want you to think you are my leader.

So I promote Individual enlightened disengagement as the best path to freedom and liberty.
Leaderless can not be taken over or sold out.
By rejecting and not participating and rather being self reliant and debt free by not being a property but being a free individual.

I see a critical mass of individuals leading by providing an alternative way to freedom. I say when humanity understands how to break free they will follow.

I think you wont get this and its ok, meybe if we could sit down and talk some time we could agree that im right....


You do not understand money.

The issue isn't that "they" issue money. It's that they have an EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE over doing so.

In a free market "they" can issue all the money they like. However, others can too. The market will decide which is better based on demand.

So, please stop the ephemeralism. CONCRETELY spoken, the simple solution is to remove the exclusive franchise. Our nation prospered quite nicely, thank you, when private issuers of money was permitted through 1928.

There's no reason to "end the fed." The Fed's EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE must be ended. In a free market, the fed can do whatever the hell it wants (and go straight out of business) as long as the monetary market is denationalized.

You do not know me

I spend twenty two years as a financial planner retirement planner and you boldly make such a statement. By any test I have a very very good understanding of money from many angles. When I lay it out for you in language a child could understand you come back with a huge pile of worthless bs. End of transmition. How did you put it. Do Not bother to respond. you spout what you dont have a clue about while you claim I dont understand. Makes me laugh.

You say I dont understand then you say we need to end the fed by makeing competing crooks. BUT BUT you do not tell us exactly how to do that. Past evidence shows what happens when a new gang trys to set up criminal competition. Libya Kadafi was the most recent example. So exactly how are you going to set up this competing curency and what steps have you taken so far and how has this success worked out for you so far? But you say im a bad influence on the youth in your judgment which has proven to be very flawed so far.


I can tell you exactly how.

Remove the *1* law giving exclusive franchise to the Fed. No reason to "end the Fed" as it will end itself by producing more low quality product. The laws allowing competing currencies are still on the books, just suspended. And yes, I will say you don't know money.

"Competing crooks"?

In a free monetary market you can choose to use whatever medium of exchange that you feel like.

"Money" is anything other people will accept from you for exchange.

So, btw, you don't know me either. Looking back at your replies to me they are no less nasty than you have accused me of being. I'm willing to call a truce here.




Got to have the last word huh

You insulting menace, your bullying tactics will never work. Dont reply to your insults, you demand? Yet in the same breath you hold yourself up as an example for all youth that desire liberty?
I do not care what you have a problem with, not even a little bit. You can not devide me and you cant call us, as including me. I dont want you to follow me and you sure wont be leading me any time soon.

Now what was it again that I was not suposed to argue back about again?

You just dont get to choose for anyone but yourself, sorry get off the power trip.


And yet you can't build a

And yet you can't build a solid house without a foundation.

We own the two districts of my local GOP party that we touch. We took over ours first, then reached out and took over our neighbor by joining forces with those in their area, filling their empty PCO slots and forming a joint council. Now there is a major liberty caucus group forming to help take them all over.

The GOP in our area can't throw us out because we control the board and the majority. Any establihment haks that remain have no authority or power to do a damn thing accept go along to get along and dream of the days when our GOP supported bombing brown people.

Quite pretending you can't do anything and do what we did. When we all do this, the dipshits at the top can demand whatever they want, doesn't mean they will get a damn thing.

"Quit pretending you cant do anything and do what what we did"

Very insulting "PRETENDING", I PRETEND I CANT DO NOTHING AND DO WHAT WE DID? First what makes you think that the stratigy of enlightened disengagment that I choose is PRETENDING TO DO NOTING. This is just simply a fact that you either do not understand or dont want to understand. You keep up your work. I have decided that your work inside the GOP is fruitless. Doing the same thing and failing over and over is about the best form of stupidity i can think of.

I really want to insult you but I can see we are both working on the same issue from different angles. Of course your angle is fruitless and my stratigy will lead humanity to freedom but none the same a man is welcome to be as dumb as he wishes. But when a man with fruitless acton starts calling those with sucessful actions a pretender and infering that if he isnt doing the same fruitless activity you choose, he isnt doing anything,is just wrong.

So ill take the high ground and wish you luck in your fruitless venture as I continue to move off grid and become independent of the debt slavery monatary system. No problem. Again good luck.

Ps try to be less insulting and perhaps I can respond in kind. BTW I continue to be active in the GOP and I live in RP district so if you came to this position because of ROn Paul you best thank me for decades of my efforts keeping Ron Paul as my congressman in a deep south democrat area. I was a delegate for county and state for the last two RP runs. I was a life long GOP. So again talk to the hand and CHECK YOURSELF.


Can't be true

Because 'The Granger' says that Liberty, wearing the face of Lil' Randie Paul, is taking over the GOP, from within.

Of course, if 'The Granger' was actually just a faux-faced GOP-faithful, GOP party-oath keeping, 'paradigm of the lesser turd' purveying, 'convince the weak reeds' in the 'liberty-movement' to support the GOP kinda person, then...

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Hey you, yeah you

Focus you're negative thoughts towards Reince Preibus, Boehner, Pelosi, Feinstein, Reid, Clinton, Rubio, Graham.... the list goes on

Leave the people participating in creating meaningful content for this great website alone.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Well, Numbnuts...

...I will make what commentary I see fit, reference the people or topics that I see fit and in a manner that I see fit...your protestations and 'feelings' notwithstanding.

As to your 'list' of people who 'you' have approved for 'my' focus and commentary, well, they are all on the open, notorious and known enemies of liberty list, therefore there is no need to rehash what is already known.

That said, there are those who are embedded in what is accepted as 'liberty-advocates' who are, shall we say, seemingly switch-hitting and/or playing for the other team. I will call things as I see them, just so you know.

Now, go piss up a rope or something useful.

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lmao, I'll try that rope trick. +1 for making me laugh.

Thanks for your work in dividing the liberty movement. We really appreciate it, why not start bashing Ron now????

I've heard Ron Paul is just a NWO puppet. I mean, he totally rejected his Libertarian principles when he re joined the GOP. He can only be a sellout.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Nice try at misdirecting and setting up...

...a strawman.

Sorry, Skippy, the only dividing of the 'liberty-movement' that I undertake, is separating wheat from chaff by culling the scrubs, the quislings, the weak-reeds, the compromisers and the various and sundry other internal-gerbils who are busily gnawing away at the foundations of fundamental principle, liberty-ethic and liberty-integrity.

Sound like anyone you may know, support, or associate with?

As to my making you laugh, you are welcome. Plenty more where that came from.

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It ain't culling time, it's recruiting time

We got about 40 million square bails to haul to the liberty barn and we ain't getting no closer to filling that loft by culling the ones that look funny.

It's all hay and it'll all get eat. We just gotta bring it in

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

40 million bales?

Sounds like you need a well trained hay crew. I know some guys who can move over 2000 bales per day with a 4 man crew (course that was years ago when we were younger and dumber). We work by the bale though at 60 cents per bale (was 40-45 5 years ago) and don't try making those 90 pound eight foot long bales just to screw over the high school age kids doing the work.

This may be lost on most folks, but I figuresd since you were making the analogy maybe you'd get it....

Josh Brueggen
Jack of all Trades
Precinct Commiteeman Precinct 5 Rock Island Co Illinois

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your 90 lb hay bales

brought back memories,we had a baler with its own engine
to operate it,and this thing made bales that weighed more than we did
if you weren't careful when it cycled would about throw you off the wagon

Leave an indelible mark on all of those that you meet.
OH... have fun day :)

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Our football coach always had meetings after practice

with is "backer pickers and hay haulers".

I almost cried the first time I saw tobacco leaves get compressed... they get a lot smaller lol.

We used to haul square bails for coach for a quarter a bail, we had plenty of help though.

It was one of those things where coach said you didn't have to but you better be there lol.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

That's where you're wrong again..

Principles=culling the ones that look funny. While people like you weaken the REAL movement by giving up principles for numbers through mainstream ball licking, we'll do what needs to be done.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.


Brother rp4pres, bluntly speaking it like it is. :)

Yep, refreshing AND utterly critical.

Cutting through the superfluous hackery and faux-liberty principles, boiling it down to the bottom-line.

These fuckers annoy the hell out of me lol

I can't tell if they have been waiting in the wings hoping and praying people like Dr.Paul wouldn't win so they could push their agenda or of they really believe some weakened message and less Liberty policies is the way to go.

All Rand is doing is trying to capitalize on Dr.Paul's success.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Understood and Agreed

I suspect that there are goodly numbers of both here.

As it stands now, I also agree with your Rand assessment.