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GOP ousts another Paulian

GOP Expels Another Paulian

Posted by Lew Rockwell on February 4, 2013 12:00 PM
The government political party of Lincoln, Hoover, Nixon, and the Bushes hasn't changed its spots in case you wondered. (Thanks to Jim O'Connor)

http://www.newsminer.com/news/alaska_news/article_cbede908-6...

February 4, 2013
Re: Expulsion of Paulians
Posted by Butler Shaffer on February 4, 2013 12:50 PM

Lew: I don't understand why Ron Paul supporters would want to be in the GOP in any event. They should all withdraw from this mob of leviathan worshippers and take their creative and highly-principled energies to other venues.

I recall that the corporate-state wing of the Republican Party employed similar purges following Barry Goldwater's loss to Lyndon Johnson in 1964. Why were the neo-cons not forced out of the GOP following Obama's election in 2008, and re-election in 2012?

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As it stands now, I also agree with your Rand assessment.

I like to give credit where credit is due soooo. Rand just came out tonight and stated that he's pushing a bill to audit the FED.

I'll be listening very close to every word he says. This in no way changes my mind though because he has also said and done a lot of anti-Liberty stuff too. I'm just saying.

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And losing every election, accomplishing nothing

but electing Obamas, Bushes, Pelosis and Fiensteins. I'm going to blame President Hillary Clinton's election on you if it happens.

Cull all you want, you'll never help the cause. I know we disagree, but I would still work with you in a coalition to advance the cause of liberty.

You wouldn't because I'm not part of the royal liberty bloodline. Doesn't sound very Libertarian to me.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Someday...

...you may wake up. Perhaps.

First, do you seriously believe that this once-republic, now completely controlled by a globalist-collectivist cabal facilitated by, supported by, and in part made up of BOTH the republican and democrat wing of the major party establishment, will somehow deign to 'allow' you to effect any fundamental change via 'elections', really?

What evidence of any substantive rollback of tyranny, anti-constitutionalism, anti-individual liberty and expanding government, at the national level, is there?

Do you seriously believe that traditional institutions and traditional, constitutional mechanisms, are still in-play and will be 'allowed' to shove back this globalist-collectivist cabal?

Given an honest assessment and an honest answer to the above, then perhaps you may come to grips with what is all but certain to be necessary and the critical importance of getting people to wrap their fuzzy minds around that.

Without that understanding and the rock-solid principles of individualism & liberty, along with the grim resolve that must underpin them, then no real substantive and effective effort can be undertaken.

Such advocacy and efforts as you undertake and recommend merely ensures that the 'death-line' that cannot be crossed that needs to be drawn and the efforts in the IX and X Amendment movement, will never be put in place and subsequently backed by the grim resolve and the no compromise realization that it is for all the marbles.

Why should it, people will still remain trapped in the party-paradigm, fooled into playing and 'battling' in the staged clown-circus that is the electoral and party system.

The soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the cartridge box.

There is only one box, the cartridge box, that is largely uncorrupted, albeit it is under frantic direct attack by the very globalist-collectivist cabal and its 'system', that you insist on people empowering and supporting.

And so it goes.

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BTW, I joined the GOP because Ron Paul advised me to

Ron Paul is also trapped in the two party system as well. I'm sorry, I'm going to trust the Dr. on this one.

Although, I do agree that the two party system is bullshit. However, Ron Paul told me to join it and change it. That's what I'm trying to do.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

If He, Or...

...some other 'charismatic leader' told you to do something, would you do that too?

Scary, cultish statements being made here and frighteningly, it happens regularly with many members and reference to both of the 'Pauls'.

Perhaps someday, you may begin to think, assess and act on your own. I sure hope so.

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Rand and Ron Paul are the evidence you seek

They are changing federal law. Ron Paul got audit the fed in the Republican platform. Rand Paul is fighting for it and for industrial hemp. Rand Paul can win the 2016 election, yes I really believe that we can change the system by elections.

If you truly believe the NWO hand pick every politician then why is Dr. Paul allowed on TV? Why hasn't he been killed as a silenced dissenter?

If it's really all some rich guys planning together and you really know so much about them then why don't you give me some addresses and we can take care of this NWO problem real fast.

If you don't believe in elections, then how exactly do you propose a free people select their Governors???

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Are You Serious?

Ron and Rand are not evidence of anything but simple marginal ability to nip around the periphery of the bloated cabal.

Ron Paul has been a wonderful example of constitutional consistency and liberty-principle in a sea of unprincipled turds. Rand is shaping up quite differently in my assessment, but time will tell.

'Audit' the Fed? A good effort and a necessary one.

Legalized hemp, really? Yeah, it should be unfettered just as any agricultural product should be, but isn't.

So what?

Does either of these things restore fealty to the Constitution, roll-back tyranny, shrink government, advance individual liberty in a substantive and lasting manner?

Well, does it?

As a point of reference, go back to the insidious birth of the Federal Reserve System and the 16th Amendment, then show me factually, how government has been limited, the Constitution enforced, or how the executive, legislative or judicial branch has been true to their oath or to the Constitution and people.

Bring it up to more modern times...

Since Carter, and through Reagan, Bush the Elder, Clinton, GW 'Puffy' Bush and now Dear Leader Obama, how much more limited has government gotten, how much more allegiance to the Constitution has it shown, how much more vigorously has individual liberty been secured by government?

As to elections, what positive effect have they had in stemming the rising tide of totalitarianism? Have they restored the Republic? Have they re-instituted limitations on government? Has the electoral process restored fealty to the Constitution?

How has the Republican-wing of 'the party' been instrumental or even helpful in doing any of the above?

I could go on, but why bother, with you...

Now, who said every candidate is handpicked? If I hadn't just fallen off the turnip truck, i'd suspect you were staging a false argument, one that I did not make. You wouldn't do that, would you?

Perhaps you could address what I said, now, not what you either think that I said or what you want to present that I said.

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A false argument deep in my head lol. You hinted at it

You're absolutely correct. Government has only grown since Amendment XVI and the Federal Reserve Act. The things the President says these days scare the living shit out of me. Makes the hair on my neck stand up with the talks of collective action to preserve individual freedom... what the hell does that mean???

I just want to know how to really stop it. What can I really do to fight the creature from jekyl island?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

"Doesn't sound very Libertarian to me."

You know what else doesn't sound very Libertarian? People like YOU and RAND. I know I know... you'll be along soon enough on another thread stating that "Rand's not very Libertarian but he's the best we've got".. Same regurgitated line of bullshit that neocons, liberals and GJ fanboys floated down the sewage pipe as if it was the Mayflower.

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When people talk about extremists, they're talking about you

I support Auditing the fed, I support bringing troops home and securing the border. I support legalizing all drugs, gambling, prostitution and pornogrophy. I believe in a voucher schools system, I believe in the Constitution, and I believe in Libertarian principles.

If you won't vote for Rand Paul, then you'll probably never vote for anyone ever again.

Well.... You'll probably keep writing in Ron Paul every four years until you die, but you won't vote for anyone real.

Rand Paul is the best you've got and you should try to understand that Rand must appeal to a broad base. He can't afford to piss off all the conservative voters just to please you by fighting an unwinnable fight against Iran Sanctions.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

When WE talk about extremists, WE'RE talking about you

"Rand Paul is the best you've got and you should try to understand that Rand must appeal to a broad base."

mitt romney is the best you've got and you should try to understand that mitt must appeal to a broad base.

It is extremists who oppose or want to do away with the Constitution. It is extremists who will settle for sanctions, and leave all options on the table when we have not been attacked. ETC.

It is YOUR attitude of compromise that will further destruct this Republic. It is YOUR attitude of compromise that will render everything Ron Paul and r3VOLution has worked so hard for null and void. There will be NO stand, NO education to the masses - it will be a forgotten fad.

Go ahead. Keep compromising. Then YOU will wonder why those seeking for something substantive have nothing substantive to join.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

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+1

You make a good point, I did a lot of Romney bashing and what I got back wasn't much different than what I'm telling you. However, I didn't see a difference in Romney and Obama. I see a tremendous difference between Rand Paul and both of them.

You make another excellent point with that third paragraph. I agree 100%.

I disagree that compromise will destroy the Republic. Compromising the Constitution is has already darn near destroyed the Republic. Ron Paul preaches on the importance of building coalitions. Just because we disagree right now doesn't mean that I wouldn't sign a petition of yours for Justin Amash to run in 2016. I would also do what I can to help you accomplish any worthwhile goal of yours. I would hope that my helping you even though we disagree might make you more likely to help me when you don't agree 100% like voting for Rand in the primary if Justin doesn't run. I'll compromise my pride and help you even though I'm on your craplist if I think you're cause is worth it. Compromise is a necessary evil in my opinion. I don't see why compromising losing battles to win more important battles is destroying the rEVOLution. I think compromising is what brings some people into the rEVOLution

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

"Ron Paul preaches on the importance of building coalitions."

You do know that he's talking about working together on one item such as legalization.. or pro-gun issues.. Not forming voting blocks to get someone onto office.

Saying that, the best way to see your ideas spread is to hold to them, especially when your ideas are much more appealing than the next.. Along with that... snatch these fuckers out of office and replace them with people who back what you believe in.

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"When people talk about extremists, they're talking about you"

and proud of it.. Your kind words move me to tears.

"I support Auditing the fed, I support bringing troops home and securing the border. I support legalizing all drugs, gambling, prostitution and pornogrophy. I believe in a voucher schools system, I believe in the Constitution, and I believe in Libertarian principles."

Then pick someone who espouses those same things and isn't afraid to say it... I gotta say though.. it just sounds like words to me coming from you.
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"If you won't vote for Rand Paul, then you'll probably never vote for anyone ever again."

Sure I will.. I've said 100's of times if it was once that I'd support Judge Nap, Tom Woods and even a Libertarian that I felt was trustworthy and stood for what I believed in.

"Rand Paul is the best you've got and you should try to understand that Rand must appeal to a broad base."

We didn't even make it to another thread before you spit that out lol... Should I show you where I predicted you say almost those exact words?--->(Rand Paul is the best you've got) :) Nah dude.. I can do better..The Liberty movement can do better and will.

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It's true, I got those words from you.

You can do better than Rand Paul??? Then why aren't you a Senator?

Seriously, if Rand Paul isn't Libertarian enough for you that makes you an extremist.

Choose one: Marco Rubio, Rick Santorum, Paul Ryan, John Boehner, Lindsey Graham, Rand Paul.

Who you voting for in that primary? Is Rand Paul the best choice?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

I as in choices..

"You can do better than Rand Paul??? Then why aren't you a Senator?"

His Father was good enough.. Does that make him and extremist as well? I'm also dangerous too just like Dr.Paul. lol

"Choose one: Marco Rubio, Rick Santorum, Paul Ryan, John Boehner, Lindsey Graham, Rand Paul."

1: Judge Nap
2: Tom Woods
3: A decent Libertarian (Real not Faux)
4: Maybe Amash
5: Whoever else might step up that I like years from now...but NOT Rand.

I love choices even when some asshole tries to pin me down to their choices, I can always step out and find another way.. :)

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I'm afraid your choices won't be on the ballot

The asshole pinning you down is the ballot. The names I provided are on it. Which box do you check? Is Rand Paul the better choice?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

No, the asshole is the guy who is telling me years out

who is going to run for president in 2016 as if it's gospel. lol

I stated my choices. By the way.. your tactic is the very same that GJ people used.. Neocons have used against Obama and liberals used against Mitt. That buddy puts you square in their company.

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Numbers win elections. Coalitions make up movements

People like me, taking Ron's advice and joining his party, ARE THE REAL MOVEMENT.

I don't care if you've voted Libertarian since 88. What have you accomplished???

Ron Paul told us to take over the GOP because we can only influence politics through the two major parties.

Get in the game or get out of the park.

We had 10% of the Republican primary vote last election, just 41% to go! It's recruiting time! Or in Ron Paul's words "if you believe this to be a worthy message, spread it throughout the land"

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

you are too pessimistic

We had about 20% of the primary vote before it bacame clear there was no hope of winning that way. Another 10% and we'd have won Iowa and the bump would have carried us through NH and SC and on to victory. Once you become the frontrunner there is a 25-30% swing of folks who just want to be n the winning side. We were so close, next time we'll take the whole cake.

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Oh so now you believe the number they gave us lol

"People like me, taking Ron's advice and joining his party, ARE THE REAL MOVEMENT."

Nooooo.. people that joined the RNC AND keep to Dr.Paul's message are part of the REAL MOVEMENT.

Rand people are just neocon-lites.

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Rand haters are just whiny hipsters holding a grudge

because they never got over Ron Paul losing the nomination. Then they all blame Rand's endorsement for the loss and swear to Avenge Ron by trashing Rand for the rest of their lives.... Am I close?

Do Neocons introduce audit the fed bills? Do neocons support legalization of industrial hemp? Do neocons hold filibusters to fight indefinite detention? Do neocons vote no on raising the debt ceiling?

Quit calling Rand a neoconservative, it's not true and is just silly.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

He's a neocon-lite

Like I said.. IF he gets into office we'll get to see who he really is and we may see it long before that. I personally see where he's going already.. now WHEN that happens I want you to come back here and tell everyone that you did IN FACT lick Rand's Giblets and they were sour after-all.

And no sport.. Not even close as usual. We stand for principle and the message of TRUE Liberty.. some day when you grow a real pair, we can sit down together, have a beer and I'll teach you all about what that means.

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I think I know what standing up for true liberty looks like

It looks like Alex Jones on CNN. It looks like Jesus flipping tables in the temple. Really standing up for liberty means getting pissed and making a scene. That seems like what I should be doing, but I haven't seen anyone get far like that.

Even Ron Paul is polite and gentlemanly when dealing with his adversaries. I never heard Ron Paul attack Romney. If he did it was in a nice way.

I'm young and still new to this, but I think being polite and working my way up in the GOP is the way to go. I think that is the best way I can do my part to advance the cause.

I've been immersed in conspiracy...I don't want to say theories, but not quite facts...idk. Let's say I've fallen in a rabbit hole and the only way out is to keep digging. What I'm finding makes me question every story I see in the news, I do question Rand Paul's loyalty sometimes. I also question Ron Paul's credibility at times but I always come to trust and believe in the Pauls. Both of them, I think they're in this thing together but that's just my opinion.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Unless you get this program running in your headyou'll never get

what you say you want and until I see people espousing it, I won't believe them.

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2944114

Oh and surely you remember Dr.Paul's commercials on Gingrich.. There's a time to be civil and then there's a time to get nasty. Fuck with my sovereign rights and it won't be nice.

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That's a very nasty thing to say.

Do you know Granger? Or are you just assuming this? If Granger is a Ron Paul 100%er and you are wrong, there could be no nastier thing to say about someone on this board who has put in the work Granger has.

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if the granger

took an oath through the RNC to vote
for ronmey,then how can she be for RP
or Rand Paul at all?
votes that are forced does not make a free election
yes i know the elections are rigged,but to sign an oath
to a man is just wrong
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

There are vets of the Iraq war who love Ron Paul.

Does that mean they love killing babies? Come on, grow up.

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your reply

makes no sense,it has nothing to do with what i typed
and i believe it was by design
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

It's called a "metaphor".

It's a mystical rhetorical and literary device that only illuminati use called a "metaphor".

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/metaphor?s=t

And yes, I employed the use of a METAPHOR to illustrate a point.

Have a great day!