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PTSD: Not Mental Illness, Not a Disorder

Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is not a disorder at all. It is a perfectly healthy reaction by a mentally stable person who is exposed to horrors and atrocities.

A true 'disorder' would be for someone to go through a traumatic experience and not have an adverse psychological reaction.

It is a cruel hoax to permanently label somebody as having a disorder when said condition is actually a perfectly normal and healthy response to terrible circumstances.

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Re PTSD: Thank you, Chris!!!

In WWII, it was called by a different name. I learned about that as a child going through a box of old photos. My father was handsome, but there was this one... in uniform, his face was gaunt, with black circles under sunken eyes. I'd asked why he looked different, told it was "battle fatigue." As many men of his generation, my father never spoke about the war. He had very bad memories. It was only via a documentary on the Battle of the Bulge that I later had even a clue as to what he'd experienced. It was heartbreaking.

He went on to enjoy life to the fullest - a responsible, resourceful, grateful, and loving husband and father, as comfortable in a suit & wingtips as his ratty flannel shirt in the basement fixing a broken clock or smudged with grease under our car. He could do anything. As I mentioned on the "old person" thread, he died when he was 90, after living half-paralyzed for years from a stroke, learning to both walk and speak again despite the prognosis.

I wonder if things might have been different if, long ago, my father had been labeled as having a dis-order or mentally ill. In fact, no one was saner, more down to earth. Yes, Chris, what would be ABNORMAL is to NOT be deeply affected by horrific events. THE PROBLEM IS WAR, not with those made to witness it.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

I have taken medical

I have taken medical neuroscience several times (because I liked it and wanted to drill it in). Each time, they showed rather convincing evidence that there are actual structural and functional changes in The brain in PTSD patients. There is a lot of stuff out there showing that there are mental changes. In fact, this is rather obvious from the symptoms.
Check google scholar.

How about you google

"ayahuasca." The brain is quite adaptable, and what is "structural and functional changes" one day can be totally gone in a month. In other words, "cured" - the dirtiest word in Pharmedicine.
People who suffer ANY kind of trauma show pysiological changes, it is rather implied in the word "trauma." Real, physical events happened, usually physical injury occurred, and then the person is labelled "mentally ill" for the hormones that race through their body in response to the injury. The process of "diagnosing" mental illness has become a new was to traumatize already traumatized people. It is anti-medicine.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.


I Look At It As An Individual Challenge... We Didn't Have These Illnesses In The '40s, And Why Does Everything Have To Be Labelled? Oops! My Bad "Money"!

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Obama best be carful or

He will end up with PTSD for killing children with drones. Ah i guess it wont be a problem for he is so isolated from what he does as a good puppet of the Rothschild mafia bank crime family.


Not sure about this treatment

** Don't know why my comment went here, it was in reply to Mekt_Ranzz **

But after having done a lot of research on the topic, the best treatments and most reliable would be a combination of CBT and EMDR.

CBT allows you to better cope in your daily life as well as deal with the issues when you are reminded them via flashbacks, smells, etc.

EMDR is great because it reduces the amount of stress so when you encounter something that reminds you of the traumatic event it is not as traumatic.

Hand in hand, it assists you to not be affected at the severity you once were (EMDR) and with the right training, you learn how to deal with the things even when they do plague you (CBT).

read if interested in non-drug treatment


Most people want their symptoms to lessen so if you are one of those that article is for you. Read it and then Google acupuncture ptsd. Add veterans to the search if you are a vet. There are a lot of free and low cost clinics.

And if a group in the Willamette Valley Oregon wants to get together and get treated as a group, I will start up another low-cost clinic. I have done it the past. You should be able to contact me through my profile.

Note many traumatic events cause the symptoms that they call PTSD. Sexual assault is perhaps the biggest. Katrina, any natural disaster, gang warfare....etc.

"Acupuncture" without needles

"Acupuncture" without needles is also possible. It's called EFT and it's used in Israel:





Just google: "EFT + PTSD"

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There are many types of "acupuncture" without needles. EFT is good. Acupressure, some medical qigong uses energetic needles, some Japanese acupuncture does not insert the needles, there is Kiatsu which presses gently along the energy meridians. There are a lot of helpful things out there that you can do on your own if you look. It's all good stuff.

You're an acupuncturist?

You're an acupuncturist?

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

among other things

*woman of many trades*

Sounds good to me. I'm

Sounds good to me. I'm interested in attending acupuncture school, but financially I'm quite a distance from it. Why I want to attend it is because I think acupuncture is among the best methods to heal mainly because of what I've learned doing a form of it to myself.

I'm reluctant to say that form here, but I'd tell you about it in DP chat if you'd like. That form is intimately related to my health condition, which I've suffered from for 12 years technically but nine years ostensibly. Its cause: dentistry, a profession I've learned and experienced that assaults blood flow, an assault overlooked so much that discussion of it in dentistry books in the past 150 years has dwindled to scarce and its opposite is promoted, the stanching of blood, an inversion damning.

If you don't mind my asking, what would you recommend someone do and study to prepare himself for acupuncture school? I have about 15 books on acupuncture and cupping, whose operating is in alignment to acupuncture's. As well, I have studied a lot of information on the Internet the past seven years and reflected on my experiences.

If you're up to it, I'd chat with you in DP chat about anything I mentioned. Just invite me to chat when you see me, if you want. Thanks for what you say here, Ms. befree. Be free, indeed!

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

yes, let's chat

I have been meaning to try turning back on chat. If used to crash my machine, we will see. This is probably because I always have so many windows open and programs running. Anyway, I will try and get chat going and we can talk about this there.

Thanks, befree. So that you

Thanks, befree. So that you know, I'm on the DP in the evenings usually. I'm here in the day but not nearly as often as I am at night. What time are you on the DP usually? Which time zone are you in, also? I think I read you're in Oregon. I'll have to reread some of your comments to see if my recollection is right. I'm in California. If we aren't able to cross each other's path naturally, maybe we could put time aside to chat, as in what day and time works for you? OK, talk with you later.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.


we are in the same time zone and I am on in evenings a lot though lately just the late night. I have been busy with other things this week. I turned the chat back on, but haven't actually tried chatting with anyone yet. I'll keep an eye out for you.

Thanks, befree. Likewise. I

Thanks, befree. Likewise. I will keep an eye out for you. :)

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

Slain Sniper Chris Kyle Was PTSD Advocate (Video)


My friend who is a public radio addict told me he heard a program where they were discussing PTS(d) and apparently a guest had also put forth the idea that maybe it isn't a 'disorder' after all. The main topic was Chris Kyle. Don't know if this video posits the same sympathetic view but here it is.

Pandacentricism will be our downfall.


I mentioned this once and received one of the most rewarding looks I have ever gotten.

I was helping a neighbor re-build a corral after a wildfire had burned their place down. The neighbor was the son of a vet who had suffered PTSD. He was known as a little crazy as the scars of war were with him till he died. As a result my neighbor was raised as having the stigma of having a slightly off father.

I was making my case against war by stating that more troops committed suicide than died in combat last year. I proceeded to empathize with the situation by pointing out that subjecting them to a war zone and putting them in a position to take another persons life had to be tough. Not even really thinking about his past I said "there almost has to be something wrong with you if you aren't effected by it". A look came over his face that I can't describe, but I could tell it touched him. It was as if his whole life it had been a mark of embarrassment and suddenly he felt normal. There was no reason to be ashamed of a natural reaction. He mentioned a few words of his fathers struggles, and I think (I hope) it brought a little peace to him. I believe it did, I get a lot of satisfaction out of thinking it did anyway.

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That is wonderful, Husker.

You obviously helped your friend a very great deal.



Psy-ops hates the word natural or the word normal.


Since this 'condition' exists and needs some kind of name...

On another topic someone said that PTSD is real and needs to be identified and named so it can be talked about.

I agree, and would suggest a simpler name PTS - Post-Traumatic Stress.

Why add the 'Disorder'? It's clearly redundant, since we wouldn't be talking about the 'PTS' if it weren't a 'D' of some kind.

The only purpose I see for adding the word 'disorder' at the end is to create a stigma that shouldn't be there, since it is 'something' that affects nearly everyone at some level at some time in their lives, just like JRS (Job Related Stress), Relationship stress, Money stress, sleep stress, etc etc.

Pandacentricism will be our downfall.


the distinction between PTS and PTSD is the length of time that the symptoms go on. After a traumatic event most will have PTS. If if the symptoms don't resolve and lessen...then they call it PTSD. Yes, it is natural to be effected but it is also natural for effects to lessen.

In the end, both are just descriptive names and don't really have any meaning other than that. Like MANY other "diseases" that are diagnosed by a group of symptoms.

That is incorrect information

A group of symptoms that are used to diagnose a disease is called a "syndrome."
"Sjogren's Syndrome" - for instance. "Disorder" is slapped on top of "mentally ill." It is adding insult to injury, literally.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

I am not a doctor

So what you are saying might be correct. So, what you are referring to is a difference between physical disease and mental disorder? as opposed to mental disease? Personally I would put mental health and physical health together. So, Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome would be a disease?
edit: ok, I looked up the distinction of syndrome and disease. Words are funny things.

Consider the effects of self-hypnosis

People have emotions. They are not "diseases" or "disorders" they are emotions. We used to say things like "nervous breakdown" and it was implied that it was a temporary situation, and one would have a "nervous put back together" at some point. Emotions, even one as overwhelming as grief, come and go. Most "depression" comes and goes. It is life. There was a time when you went and visited a loved one when they are down, now these people are labelled "mentally ill" and the people they love throw them aside. Doing something like working through your problems is considered "impossible" - you did not have a problem to work out, you have a "disorder." A PERSONALITY disorder.
Now, that person is told they have a "disorder from the time they are just a little kid. They are put on pills and learn to tell everyone, but most damaging is they tell themselves "I have a disorder." It is the exact opposite of "mental health care." It is psychological warfare on the people who come for help. And it is even more heinous when it is just a kid being dragged there by lazy and / or lied to parents.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

like everything it is best not to label things

if you tell people they are sick, they feel sick. Yes, the labels can be very detrimental in so many ways....legally, psychologically, and spiritually. All of that leads to physical detriment too. On the other hand some people like to have a label because they know something is wrong with them. Maybe people in general like to simplify things without realizing the consequences of doing that.

I think people can recover from just about any "illness" be it physical, mental, emotional, spiritual....and those things aren't really separate at all. I am using the term illness loosely. It isn't just mental "disorders" that people get a mindset behind. What you are explaining goes on with physical "illnesses" as well. People get in a mode where they think that is who they are. It defines them. Not only don't they think they can get better, they have no idea how to act when they do get better. I am sure if I grew up in these times I would have many "disorders". Sad.

befree and I are on the way to figuring out that it is spiritual

did we figure this out in the conversation below, befree? This condition now known as ptsd is likely a spiritual ailment - a sense of not being right with the world, or the world not being right, or some other type of disharmony...

Pandacentricism will be our downfall.

I looked up PTS and Post Traumatic Stress

and couldn't find anything. All pages sent me to PTSD pages.

Pandacentricism will be our downfall.

thats probably because they are pushing it

everyone pushing PTSD...Google assumes that is what you are searching on. But a quick look at wikipedia shows this description:

"PTSD is less frequent and more enduring than the more commonly seen post traumatic stress"

Apparently it is called ptsd after 30 or more days...

of Acute Stress Reaction.


According to the new DSM-V there are some changes in how it is diagnosed:

But it all just demonstrates how arbitrary such designations are. How did they come up with 30 days as a healthy amount of time to 'get over' some event? Before one is 'reclassified?'

Pandacentricism will be our downfall.