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Ron Paul clarifies Chris Kyle tweet on Facebook

As a veteran, I certainly recognize that this weekend's violence and killing of Chris Kyle were a tragic and sad event. My condolences and prayers go out to Mr. Kyle’s family. Unconstitutional and unnecessary wars have endless unintended consequences. A policy of non-violence, as Christ preached, would have prevented this and similar tragedies. -REP

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http://www.facebook.com/ronpaul/posts/10152285499876686

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I do not believe for one moment tht Dr. Paul had any

malicious intent in his words. I believe he was merely pointing out that our (U.S.) wars are seriously disaffecting everyone. There are sad consequences which result from the madness and folly of war. This is just a fact.

With all due respect, I will no longer be a voting prostitute for Constitution rejecting harlots.

I am sick of hearing all

I am sick of hearing all these military knob-jobbers involved in hero worship claiming this guy was a hero. A hero would have mounted a rebellion within the military and ended the crusades in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Fox News borrows my headline

My headline for this thread:
Ron Paul clarifies Chris Kyle tweet on Facebook

Fox News:
Ron Paul clarifies comments on death of Navy SEAL sniper


"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

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Chris Kyle was a murder who took pride in his crimes.

Good Riddance.

I'm not going to pretend I feel sorry for him, or offer fake condolences.

He got what was coming to him.

Dr. Paul was right, those who live by the sword, can expect to die by the sword.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Ah down voting comments

The best way to create a culture of anonymity on a social site. Fair enough, I will ask what did I say that disturbed you.

Biblicly, aren't we all sinners? Is that not true?

Likewise if we pay our taxes and stand down are we not too guilty of high crimes or at least complicit with such activity?

Truth is rarely an easy thing to accept, especially for members of a liberty movement that would rather arm chair and down vote comments than listen and ask questions to someone who has been there and done that.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
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You would have a point if

Mr. Kyle hadn't voluntarily signed up for the military and went as far to glorify the killings by writing a book about it.

Killing enemy combatants who would if they could

kill you is no different than grinding a black widow spider under one's foot.

Wow, over a month ago.

That theory is completely irrelevant considering the wars we're currently fighting and have been fighting since WWII are interventionist wars.

They're defending their country. We're invading it, without cause.

With all due respect,

I did not give consent or acquiesces to your government. I happened to pop out of my mama's womb between two arbitrary lines, drawn by your tax farmer, that just so happens to put me in the same 'nation' as you. I hate the wars you and your government are fighting. I do my best to not participate. I do not want to go to jail and I have to eat so I minimize my exposure the best I can.

As for your bible, please do not include me in that either. Again, I happened to be born to a family that went to church. As soon as I was permitted to not go, I didn't. Your truth is not a universal truth and, again, does not include me. Why do you need all 300,000,000 people that happened to physically be between those imaginary lines to agree on everything? There is a 99.999% chance I will never even meet you. Why do you have to push your beliefs in an ancient illiterate barbaric superstitious cavemen text on those around you? I am certain I will never meet you.

Absolutely never? Are you sure :)

My world view is the one being espoused by Dr. Paul, so I am commenting on it in the same vein. I am not forcing anything on you. Did I make you do anything?

However to say that your actions, no matter how miniscule will play no part in the grand scheme is naive at best.

The actions of a sniper and who you choose to support with your dollar have lasting consequences. Also enjoy how you believe this is "my government". Like you I did not choose it. However my actions within its "borders" play a role in its perpetuation.

I can think of 1,000 ways that you support the military industrial complex. In action is the biggest way. If you are active, you will certainly see me down range.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
www.yaliberty.org - Young Americans for Liberty
www.ivaw.org/operation-recovery - Stop Deploying Traumatized Troops

Name one please.

How do I support the MIC? Maybe I will meet you. Perhaps I am naive, so? Okay, one way I support MIC. I told you I have totally minimized my consumption so as to not monetarily pay for the murders.

If we meet we can come to a consensus, about something, okay?

I do not mean to be harsh but I am so sick of the media, after the Sandy Hook tragedy, try to make me and the other 300 million inhabitants of this big tract of land come to a consensus about not having guns! I hate guns. But the last thing I want is for 'your' (sorry) government to have a monopoly on weapons. I have never been to Newtown. I will probably never go to Newtown. But for some weird reason the media wants me to either concede or acquiesces on what the folks living in the ginormous geographic area are going to do with or without guns. RRrrrrr, it infuriates me. Which is why I hate that for some reason I have to agree with and or support the murderers in Washington, or for that matter, anyone that I have never even met, living even up to 3300 miles away from me.

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Can't Kill The Truth

When Jesus spoke in His day the Pharisees or the "establishment" gnashed their teeth with hatred and cried out "blasphemy"! The "establishment" thought they had crucified the truth but the truth resurrected and is alive today!

Ron Paul is NOT a bonehead

When I read the news about the tragic death of Chris Kyle, one of my first thoughts was how ironic that he died in a similar way to all of those he shot. My prayers go out to his family, which I am sure he loved, but killing another human being (for whatever reason) brings unforseen spiritual consequences for that action. There is much Scripture supporting these claims. I guess, along with Dr. Paul, this makes me "politically incorrect, although it is the Truth. I doubt that any of the men shot by sniper-fire ever have an opportunity to face their accusers of their "crimes". When we as a nation reduce the killing of human beings akin to killing animals, we can expect judgement from Almighty God to follow. It is sad to ponder, but I would bet that these Conservative Christians would express more outrage if snipers were killing cats or dogs. God help us!!

"Nothing is as it appears; everything is smoke and mirrors"

I disagree.

I would not recommend soldiers dealing with PTSD related to their deployment seek treatment at the gun range. Sorry but coming from someone who works with these guys that is highly counterproductive.

They need to be listened to, first and foremost. I don't see a lot of people giving them those opportunities, especially here. But why would they come here to be listened to when the demonization of other human beings as a cult of evil is so prevalent on liberty blogs.

We should be very careful. I have been fortunate enough to weed through ignorant people.

As for Dr. Paul's comments, the only folks that are going to make this a big deal are the same people you see when you look in a mirror. I'd rather he had not put out that tweet but he is his own person and fortunately for me I know where he is coming from by his works. Many will not. No matter how many times you try to clarify those remarks. Many will never understand. The MSM will always run with negative news until you ignore it.

I appreciate his clarification. Not all of us ever were blood thirsty monsters. Many of us are apologetic for the sins we committed. But let's take a step back and look at your own part in the puzzle. We could never fight the wars of aggression without your consent. We are all complicit in its continuation.

No one is without shame.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
www.yaliberty.org - Young Americans for Liberty
www.ivaw.org/operation-recovery - Stop Deploying Traumatized Troops

I did not give my consent!

I have been living off my savings on a shoestring budget because I am so adamant about not paying for these murders. I quit a great job as soon as I found old files left over from a munitions bunker project. Speak for yourself.

Therein is the paradox

Spiritually I believe we are all a part of the same human family. We reap what we sow. The sins of one of us become the sins of us all. There is only one way to salvation.

I wish you well on your journey.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
www.yaliberty.org - Young Americans for Liberty
www.ivaw.org/operation-recovery - Stop Deploying Traumatized Troops

And what does that have to do with me?

I respect what you believe. Could you respect my lack of beliefs?

This is why a movement should never be about one man

I have deep respect and admiration for Ron Paul. We wouldn't have a liberty movement to speak of if not for him. But in this case, there is no way around it, this was a boneheaded remark. Even if true, it was ill timed and ill worded and may have spent most of the credibility he gained during the 2012 election cycle.

This is just proof that a movement should never be about one man, because even the best of them occasionally say boneheaded things.

I still find the initial tweet didn't make sense?

What's wrong with treating/dealing with PTSD by going to a gun range? Shooting guns are often involved with a veteran PTSD's..so why not go to a gun range to revisit that and try to get healing or whatever?

It didn't necessarily have

It didn't necessarily have anything to do with PTSD. Paul is saying that our obsession with militarism reaps what it sews, whether that is on the national or individual level. Obviously there is a time to fight but we have a nation of the lowest common denominator who see that as the only answer.

To atrickpay

Read my thought's above.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
www.yaliberty.org - Young Americans for Liberty
www.ivaw.org/operation-recovery - Stop Deploying Traumatized Troops

uh, because

it might trigger an episode?

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

I didn't realize being

I didn't realize being registered on DP.com was a prerequisite to being a part of the liberty movement. Good to know. I guess in your mind RP invented the Constitution...

There is an unstated policy,

A Newby should remain silent for at least 90 days , So we do not have to witness their growing pains.

I am glad he clarified it.

I am glad he clarified it. Never use twitter to explain a complex issue...

No need to explain anything

Ron is right. The way Americans have been brainwashed into literally WORSHIP anyone who serves in the military is a huge part of the reason why most don't see anything wrong with the empire of violence that the US maintains.

These wars are NOT defensive wars but wars of conquests, all of them. Not all veterans are heroes, some of them are but not one that made millions boasting about his kills and qualifying the "enemy" as savages, I have no respect for that.

The only thing I wished is that Dr.Paul would have said "As a christian I believe that when you live by the sword you die by the sword..." just to disarm the hypocritical fake evangelicals and neocons. Then again... they spat on the Golden Rule, they'd probably spit on this as well to defend their precious military.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

150 kills isn't impressive

150 kills isn't impressive anyhow...try 700...

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/featured/white-death-si...

When you earn the nickname 'White Death'...and earned it in DEFENSE of your country...and not while taking part in an aggressive unconstitutional war...then you've accomplished something.

Plus...this little 5 foot 3 inch Finnish farmer used an old hunting rifle with steel sights.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Awesome story

Thanks for sharing!

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

Worship? You think the

Worship? You think the military is worshipped? The ignorance around here is baffling. Try serving and then come back and we'll have this conversation again.

You didn't see the first

You didn't see the first debate. About half of it was taken up by the debaters thanking each veteran who asked a question for his "service to our country." Of course, extra time had to be taken for the moments of applause after these comments. I just returned from a flight where the pilot and attendants made a special point of announcing their thanks in a similar manner.