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Ron Paul Quotes Jesus, Conservatives Outraged

Posted by Ryan W. McMaken on February 4, 2013 | LewRockwell.com

Remember that time Ron Paul used the Golden Rule to explain his foreign policy? Conservatives booed him for that. So who can be surprised that conservatives, including Rand Paul, have been falling all over themselves to condemn Ron Paul for quoting Jesus -in correct context, by the way - to note that the violence wrought by over a decade of nonstop war in America leads to tragedy on the home front?

Every neocon pundit and middle-American red-blooded conservative took a few minutes out from running around shrieking "boo-yah" and polishing his dually F-250 to be outraged that someone dared suggest that a government employee wasn't a holy relic.

The Daily Caller was the first to the show, posting Paul's twitter post without comment and allowing the comment box to quickly fill with outraged Republicans who were dismayed that anyone would not endorse every action of every single taxpayer-funded soldier who ever drew a bead on some dirt-poor 12-year-old child-soldier 10,000 miles away. Others soon piled on.

The most transparent were the conservatives who claimed to be former supporters of Paul who must now go support some more "patriotic" politician: One who doesn't actually question anything the military does.

One member at RonPaulForums.com said "'Live by the sword, die by the sword' is what the dumbest, stupidest, most delusional people around here would say. There's no way that Ron actually said this. Ugh. How said [sic] and pathetic."

That seems to be the general reaction one gets from conservatives about the Golden Rule also.

This is what it comes down to for most conservatives, of course. All that stuff about laissez faire and freedom and free markets has never been more than an act and an affectation which goes right out the window if someone ever criticizes the US Government in a truly trenchant or penetrating manner.

Most of these sunshine patriots who now whine that Ron Paul has lost their support, wouldn't ever have supported Ron Paul in the first place if Obama weren't in office. Had Ron Paul run against a GOP incumbent, most of these timid and prevaricating "opponents" of big government would have condemned Paul for questioning the glorious deeds of "our" Commander-in-Chief. Among conservatives, Ron Paul has only ever had minority support, for in the end, conservatives love government, as exhibited by their latest outrage. They just love it in a slightly different way from the left liberals.

As I've noted before, the Tea Party movement, and most conservatives who pretend to be for small government, only act when there's a Democrat in office. During eight years of Bush shredding the constitution, spending money like there was no tomorrow, and inflating the money supply with his pals at the central bank, no conservative would walk ten feet to protest the federal government. But about five minutes after Obama was sworn in, the Tea Party protests swelled into a huge disingenuous show that will evaporate five minutes after any Republican is sworn into office, assuming the GOP can actually win a national election with one of the out-of-touch never-had-a-real-job rich boys they insist on nominating.

In the end of course, Ron Paul has never been about rallying people to himself. He has been about the message, and the message is about freedom. It is a logical impossibility to be simultaneously pro-freedom and pro-military. Patrick Henry, who called government soldiers "engines of despotism" knew this. Thomas Jefferson knew this. Every true friend of liberty from William Graham Sumner to Murray Rothbard knew this. And Ron Paul knows it. Some of his supporters, still stuck in the mindset of a form of Geezer Conservatism in which "freedom-lovers" bow and scrape before the US Government, denied that Ron Paul could have even agreed with the Twitter post. No such luck for them. The tradition of laissez faire is a tradition against standing armies, and wars, and deference to military "heroics." Conservatives who are troubled by this should probably be honest with themselves and find a candidate more suitable to their views. I hear Newt Gingrich is still taking donations.

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Do you think

Rep Justin Amash (a true Christian) thinks that 150 killed muslims went to hell with virgins or not?

Interesting that you find this point relevant

I'm trying to figure out why. Christianity has been altered beyond recognition and what you hear about Christians often has nothing at all to do with Christianity. It has everything to do with humanity.

???

o_O

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There are two threads here.

Those who read Dr.Paul's tweet and read what he said, and meditated on the implications.

Then their are the many who read MSM reports interpreting the words for the masses for own deceitful purposes and agendas.

The cacophony of these deceits echo in one thoughtless comment after another.

Create collectives is what collectivists do. Those who shun 'The Collective' are pigeon holed into the collective of the enemy.

The enemy is identified, ridicules, smeared and finally demonized and assimilated or killed.

In a just war of defense the motivation is clear and simple. Personal wellbeing and property ownership is physically threatened, no other excuses are needed.

Such Wars are at least deliberated and declared.

Free includes debt-free!

To the Cult of Ron Paul

Some Genius from Breitbart.com Comments Sections tells how it is. I find this comment absolutely hilarious.

"Truth is, Rand is nowhere near the batshlt crazy that his dad is, and your slander doesn't work with conservatives because unlike the Cult of Ron Paul, they think for themselves."

"Air is the very substance of our freedom, the substance of superhuman joy....aerial joy is freedom."--Gaston Bachelard--

Dr Paul Speaks what we all are thinking...

Dr Paul speaks what we all are thinking. He speaks for us, but we thought it before he said it.

So-called "conservatives" are those who mindlessly follow the way they are "supposed to."

Just because what Ron Paul said was poorly timed

Doesn't make it any less true. Denial is running rampant throughout our society. Many people seem to have lost site of the fact that all actions have consequences. If someone kills 160 people and then writes a book about it, does it not stand to reason that this person may have made a few enemies? As far as I am concerned, what Ron Paul said may have been in poor taste and timing, but those who would jump all over this man for having the courage to speak the truth, make their denial obvious to someone like me.

"There's always a remnant in any society that clings to the truth of things." - Ron Paul. (From a speech given in Twin Falls, Idaho, 2/16/2012)

I love that Ron Paul won't be a slave to his son's ambitions.

Someone needed to say this. There are many in our armed services who just don't know better...who ran out and signed up after 911 thinking they were going off to protect us from future attacks. But this guy signed up in the 90s and served in Iraq. A real hero would have stood up and said, "I will have no part of an unconstitutional, pre-emptive war." Not this guy. At best, he fought and killed FOR his country....but not for any freedoms or rights or anything of the sort....at worst, he was a glory-hog (hence the book?) who boasted in butchering hundreds of those who would, from their perspective, defend their land from a foreign invader. Seems to me the young Iraqi man with an AK trying to fight for his country is more a hero than this guy who would blow his head clean off.

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Please don't post the whole article on DP

it's a copyright violation and against TOS.

Otherwise, thanks for sharing this important article.

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Rockwell is open source

Listen here for full details:

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Sorry Michael...just trying to keep DP out of hot water. :)

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"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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Umm..

Lew Rockwell is not known to be a huge fan of IP. I'm sure he doesn't mind. :p

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A proponent of the

Just War Theory would hold to that Scripture. The goal is peace, at all costs, unless there is no other avenue and then the sword is used briefly, effectively and put away. Ron Paul rocks.

In the biblical context Peter was going to try and prevent Jesus from going to the cross - the ultimate gift of peace for mankind. The Lord said those words to Peter and added that He could stop this whole thing without Peter's sword, but He came to give His life as a ransom for all.

Matthew 26:51-53

51 And suddenly, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword, struck the servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear.

52 But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish[a] by the sword. 53 Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels?

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Most "Christians" who follow

Most "Christians" who follow politics are of the Fox News brand. They regularly take the word of Faux News over Christ, so it's not surprising they would attack a person who uses scripture to guide their values.

Actually...

most people who call themselves "christian" and are actively involved in a church are quite moderate/liberal politically. The "christian right" are only like 12% of the voting population and about 75% of the voting population claim to be christian.

The leadership of 9 out of 10 of the largest christian denominations in the US came out against the Iraq War on Just War Theory grounds. The dissenting leadership was of the Southern Baptists and a poll in the Baptist Record newsletter showed that 66% of them disagreed with the Iraq War.

The "christian left" are VERY politically active. Perhaps more so than the right. Catholics and United Methodists and other groups are legendary for their left-leaning activism.

I know more Fox News fans that are secular/atheist or belong to the churches of Nascar and/or Budweiser than active church attendees and I'm right smack dab in the middle of the bible belt.

The following link is an excellent breakdown of the American political landscape by belief groups (including secular) and what percentage of each group is conservative/moderate/liberal:

http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Politics/2004/10/The-Twelve-Tr...

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Amen

to that! One of the sadder truths in this country.

The question remains the same

Will a TRUE Christian (not a neo-con who sold his soul to Zionists) expect 150 muslims (the sniper had killed) go to hell with virgins or without them?

You will get different answers...

...from different Christians.

Some will say that anyone who does not accept Christ as the way, truth and life for their salvation while on earth is destined for eternal, conscious torment in hell.

Some will say the same, except that instead of eternal torment, they will just be annihilated from existence.

Some will say that these people may have an appropriate faith in the Creator despite misunderstanding/not knowing all the details of Christ (i.e. God knows their hearts).

Others will affirm that Christ is the way, the truth, the life -- that there will be self-imposed separation from God for those that reject Him -- but that this isn't the end of the story (i.e. all will be reconciled in the long-term, because of His love and mercy).

I am persuaded of the last of these views.

Cool

then atheists and agnostics are not affected, at all.

Again, it depends...

...on which view is correct:

1. Eternal, conscious torment -- that definitely is an effect on atheists/agnostics!
2. Annihilation -- that is also an effect, but I guess that's kind of the outcome atheists/agnostics are expecting to be their lot anyway, if there is no God
3. Modified pluralism: like #1,2 or 4, given rejection/lack of faith
4. Ultimate redemption: definite effect on all who reject God (those who reject light will find outer darkness; those who reject Love will find out what separation from it really means) -- unpardonable, until the defiant fist is lowered and the prodigal truly cries out for light and Love once again -- no walk in the park

What exactly

Does religion have to do with this discussion?

The article is about Ron Paul quoting scripture and the neo-conservatives being hypocritical enough to attack him for it.

Awl

My point exactly. It was stated earlier and was thumbed down. Now, would you post similar question to other posters who talk about Jesus and love? Apparently, RP, his quote in question and Jesus have a connection.

My mistake

I misunderstood your comment.

Since I made your acquaintance yesterday,

I am now asking a favor, it seems to me that I am seeing that the DP is having difficulty funding itself so I have created a post http://www.dailypaul.com/273372/calling-all-friends-of-liber...

in hopes that we Friends of Liberty can do something or think of something to keep this place going. I hope if you have a chance you can stop by and perhaps add an idea.

"I Like your Christ

I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Gandhi

Christianity is unlike Christ. Seems to me that Christians focus way to much on Christ's Death and the Salvation that came with it, rather than on Christ's Life and Teachings which he also gave quite willingly.

This, of course, is a generalization, but it is fairly accurate here in the Bible Belt. Christians, here in the Bible Belt, are some of the most hateful people I have come to know. While there are several exceptions that I know of, fear and hate seem to drive their Morality rather than Love and Forgiveness.

I grew up Unitarian (BTW - any Libertarian Unitarians out there?) surrounded by Southern Baptists and one Jewish family that lasted about a year. All I heard growing up was God Fearing this and Rapture that. I was taught to do good things, not out of fear of punishment, but for the good feeling it gave. My childhood friends were taught all about Hell and the way to avoid it was to get Saved and go to Church.

When I brought up the Teachings of Christ (we learned all major religions in Unitarian Sunday School) very few knew them, yet all were aware of the Fire and Brimstone messages the Bible contains.

In any event, it is odd for the US, which is 70+% Christians to ALWAYS be engaged in WAR.

Don't you think?

Unitarian/Universalist here-

We will all be reconciled to God in a way we understand. The world, while getting smaller through technology, is still a hodgepodge of cultures that have specific religious 'norms'. Being culturally bound leaves few options other than the popular belief system. I personally refuse to be branded as anything. Do I believe in Jesus? Sure. Do I believe in a bunch of authoritarian dogma? Not necessarily. God hates pride, arrogance, 'haughty eyes', so I have to seriously doubt God is some kind of egomaniac.

Amen!

Amen!

"Air is the very substance of our freedom, the substance of superhuman joy....aerial joy is freedom."--Gaston Bachelard--

old saying applies....

The old saying applies: 'Lord, save me from your followers'.

The Majority of so-call Christian Conservatives,

don't worship Christ, they worship Israel-first, War on Muslims-second, and maybe Christ third. They are more closely comparable to Judaism, than anything, as the Old Testement promotes war, however, nowhere does it promote Israel. Well I'm sorry there are many Apostate revisions that now have Israel entered in them. Sorry, to say, but these so-called Zionist Christian follwers are going to face the same Judgement, or possibly even worse than a non-believer, as they are warned by Christ many times to beware of the deceivers. And, where these foolish people believe the 'rapture' will occur, is where Christ tells of their 'departure' away from Him, not with him.

There is a new documentary, 'The Truth Left Behind' by Pastor Steven Anderson, who explains these apostate teachings. Here, is an interview on Infowars nightly news with Anderson, and brief peeks at his film. For those AJ haters, he only gives a brief introduction, the interview is done by another guy, who's name I can't remember, but does a good job. http://www.infowars.com/the-truth-left-behind/

The there is the excellent documentary by Charles Carlson, of We Hold These Truths and Strait Gate Ministries, who was a former Christian Zionist, who explains the deception used in the Apostate Scofield Bible, which is used to support Israel and the war on the Muslims. He does fail to mention that Scofield's organizer of the fraudulent book, Sam Untermeyer, was the same person who wrote the laws for the Feds creation, aka the Rothschild connection. http://vimeo.com/29901084

You mean "2 Peter 2" False Christian leaders outraged.

The only thing they seek to conserve is satan and his "Rove"-ing minions.

They are false christians and thus they are outraged at anyone who would dare quote Christ as opposed to quoting their filthy vomit filled sermons.

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