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Justin Raimondo is a REPUBLICAN

I'm being told that Justin Raimondo will be a featured speaker at the CA GOP Spring convention http://cagop.org/index.asp for Republican Liberty Caucus.http://www.rlc.org/

I suggested that Raimondo was not a Republican, but a Libertarian, and asked why a Libertarian would be speaking at a Republican convention.

I have been assured that Justin Raimondo is a REPUBLICAN.

Anyone have any information or link to say this is not true?

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He has a youthful name. I always pictured him as a kid (30s)

I'm not sure why, and it never occurred to me to look into it further. It's weird how our brains tune out certain things until they are pointed out.

I hope everyone doesn't forget that Ron Paul received 8% of the delegate votes at the convention. We aren't starting from scratch.

**I don't get the hostility in this thread.

Raimondo...

1) Joined the LP two years before you did.
2) Left the LP 9 years before you did.
3) Joined the Republican Party 23 years before you did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Raimondo

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Okay..

so you are calling Raimondo a traitor. Talleyrand sucked up to whatever regime was in power while repeatedly changing his rhetoric to appease the ruler du jour.

"YAF is an ideologically conservative youth activism organization that was founded in 1960, as a coalition between traditional conservatives and libertarians."

Seeing that Raimondo joined YAF in the 1960's as a youth, and that YAF is about coalition building between conservatives and libertarians, who has Raimondo ever betrayed and when has he changed his positions and philosophies?

Raimondo seems to have changed his party about as often as you but with less extremes in changes of philosophy... :)

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As I recall, Ron Paul was a member of the Libertarian Party

As well as a member of the GOP, and the Constitution Party.

I don't think there is any rule that says you can't be a member of more than one party.

Maybe the same is true for Justin?

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Yes, for 6 months

for an election.

I;ve heard that people caqn be a member of more than one Party, and I've seen it.. just this past election the Republican who ran for congress in our area is also an American Independent Party member, and I;d like to know how they do that, because it doesn't make sense to me, that they have us sign loyalty oaths to be on a committee.. except that those who are elected into office are de-facto committee members, so they don't ahve to sign loyalty oaths?

I've signed a loyalty oath and serve on a committee, so I don't see how someone like me can belong to more than one party. Though I am done with the LP. Too many friends have gone to prison and some died, never got the credit they earned (proposition 215 in CA was a Libertarian grassroots effort). The party did nothing for them in the big picture, from my perspective.

Could be true for Raimondo.. still, to me, he had a forum in antiwar.com that could have helped Ron paul tremendously and he didn't go there and that's it for me with him.

Seriously, I'd rather debate and roast Rove than rally for Raimondo.

Justin Raimondo rocks!

Another awesome article from him:
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Party affiliation in Michigan is flexible.

I believe Justin tan for Office as a Republican twice?

Makes him a Ron Paul style Republican. LOL!

Free includes debt-free!

You should be thrilled

to have him as a speaker. He's definitely one of the good guys, and not afraid
of the bullies.

Well, there you have it

Tell me what I should and I won't.

you're right. too much of a demand

how about: you might be thrilled?

But I'm not

You see, while Raimondo entertains the Republican Liberty Caucus, and Karl Rove sends his posse there incognito to take down names, so he has targets for his new culling project.. I'm going to be sitting in the Karl Rove audience, taking names, and listening, and then asking Rove questions, because the name of the game in politics is to stay in the game.. that's the only way one wins anything.

Mr. Raimondo

Has been a republican for a long time. If you scroll down here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California's_8th_congressional_district - to 1996 you will notice he ran against Nancy Pelosi that year as a republican.

We're making great inroads into the gop - please get involved with your monthly county executive meetings and become a pco!

http://benswann.com/ es muy guapo! :)

Yes:

I am elected to my GOP committee and the elected trasurer with a vote for the CAGOP.

Raimondo is BELIEVED to be a LIBERTARIAN because he has been the editor of Brandon's Institute's antiwar.com.

I was called out by an officer on the committee for being a Libertarian.. I was a Libertarian from 1976 - 1992 and went Indy in 1993 to 2011, when I joined the GOP, and attended county GOP meetings to become a delegate for Ron paul, which I was, though Romney won CA, so I did not go to Tampa.

I fully intend to go to the CAGOP Spring convention, and got word that Raimonda was going to be a speaker at the Republican Liberty Caucus. This concerns me, as the last thing I need is for someone to say.. "You see, she's a Libertarian supporting LIBERTARIANS at the CA GOP convention.

So, I want to be clear about Raimondo because I am very active in my GOP and facing conflict for my Libertarian past, as the GOP demands loyalty.

Yes, we are making great inroads and I have no intention of blowing it unintentioanally. I would rather go to a forum and debate Rove than cheer Raimondo just because he's there for the RLC which is not loyal to the GOP.

Let us reason together...

"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism....The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is."-- RONALD REAGAN, Reason Magazine, Jul. 1, 1975

The Republican Liberty Caucus is found in wikipedia's list of libertarian organizations in the US:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Libertarian_organizati...

"The Republican Liberty Caucus (RLC) is a political action organization dedicated to promoting the ideals of individual liberty, limited government and free market economics within the Republican Party in the United States. It is part of the libertarian wing of the Republican Party."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Liberty_Caucus

Raimondo:
1) Joined the LP two years before you did.
2) Left the LP 9 years before you did.
3) Joined the Republican Party 23 years before you did.

"In the 1970s, he became active in the Libertarian Party. He "joined the party in 1974, and was active in the MacBride for President campaign, the LP's second White House bid."[5] With Eric Garris, he organized the "Radical Caucus", which brought them to the attention of the libertarian theorist Murray Rothbard. In 1983, after a schism in the Libertarian Party, Raimondo left and attempted to organize a libertarian faction in the Republican Party known as the Libertarian Republican Organizing Committee."

In 1989 Raimondo hooked up with the paleoconservative/Old Right think-tank Rockford Institute/John Randolph Club

SUMMARY:

1) "big L" Libertian = Libertarian Party
2) You spent way more time in the LP than Raimondo
3) "little L" libertarianism has always been part of the Republican Party. Reagan said it. The Old Right and paleoconservatives are close philosophical kins with libertarianism
4) wikipedia says about Robert Taft, the giant and icon of Old Right paleoconservatism, "Taft was a libertarian".
5) Ron Paul likes Robert Taft
6) Ron Paul just finished a Mises Circle entitled "The Future of Libertarianism" with Tom Woods and Lew Rockwell
7) Ron Paul has been hanging out with libertarians like Rockwell, Rothbard and Tom Woods for DECADES
8) You are being hyperbolic and just plain silly about libertarianism :>

Raimondo has more bonafide conservative credentials and experience than you do and his philosophies and life work make him more than qualified as a perfect natural fit to speak at the Republican Liberty Caucus.

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Cult of Raimondo

the poster bear made a post about helping DP meet it's funding goal.

Maybe you would like to buy some old antiwar.com stickers?

Back in 94, I recall some great Libertarians who worked very hard on writing and promoting CA Proposition 215: Medical Marijauna. It failed, but they didn't stop, and in 96, it passed 56%.

Those Libertarians, many of them, were arrested and did 10 year madetory minumums. They never got any credit for their work.

Kubby ran to Canada, returned, joined my Ron Paul meet up in 07. Herer died in 08..

So for me, when I see good hard working people, get set up, knocked down, and no help from their own party.. I'm done.

Raimondo could have done a lot more for Ron Paul. He didn't. That's his choice and I'm done with him as well.

I don't wish anything bad on him.. just really not interested in what he has to say and don't want to be associated with him.

I'm done with a party that works so hard to keep itself marginalized and doesn't promote from within, but keep the same old white dudes nominating Republicans for president as good Libertarians get shelved, left behind, forgotten and killed.

Thank you for the kind post.

Haha...

Now in addition to me being a progressive liberal LP whiner I'm a cult member. Although I have said several times in the past few days I am a hardcore jeffersonian Old Right conservative since the 1970's who has never given the LP the time of day in my five decades of life and that ancaps continually call me "statist".

With regards to Raimondo, it's been like a year since I've even visited antiwar.com until recent activity here on Daily Paul warranted it. I've always commented on how boring the site is and I used to joke they might want to consider a "babe of the day" pic or something. :>

And just today on Daily Paul I expressed a disagreement with Raimondo here:

http://www.dailypaul.com/273386/justin-raimondo-is-rand-paul...

More unhinged hyperbolic silliness from joo... :>

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who the eff cares?

Justin Raimondo is a good man that has been fighting for peace all his adult life. Why are you so concerned with these labels?

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

You Really Need To....

...ask?

Granger presents, consistently, as a committed GOP apparatchik; one who constantly waves the banner of the GOP, cheer-leads, recruits, promotes and attempts to motivate to rally others.

You can look to any GOP or Dem party-aparatchik who is filled with righteous-fervor for 'their' candidate or 'their' faction, e.g. the Palinites, the Santorumites, the Randites (aka 'Cult of Rand'), the Obaminites, the Christyites, the Kennedyites, the Bushites and on and on and on.

These people have a seemingly desperate need to see themselves as being a 'part' of something and inevitably, they rally around 'whatever', or more often, 'whoever' and become deluded-zealots.

If the 'whatever' is Liberty, its principles, its advancement and illustrating/educating on it, then zeal is a positive force.

Sadly, most often when wedded to 'a group' or to 'a person' the seeds of Liberty turn to 'a joining' and then to 'a compromising', then to 'rationalization & justification', then to 'sad parody', then to 'a farce', then to 'a perversion' of Liberty to suit one's 'champion', or one's 'party', or for the advancement of 'the cause' (the old mantra of ends justifying the means or for the greater good).

It is a long and very old story and a well traveled road where those who travel it are either blind to it, or willfully deceive about it.

Let's get something straight

I don't promote the GOP. I really don't care what party or not one chooses to buy into. I am learning from Rand Paul and appreciate what he's doing to the GOP.

But I am not evangelizing the GOP.

Do what you want. I am.

Agree

Ends are perverted by bad means.

My guess is you know a lot about cults

Apparently you belong to the cult of nothing going nowhere.

Make sure you let us all know

how your Loyalty Oath to Rubio/Christie/JebBush/Jindal works out, mmmkay?

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

Gladly!!

;))

Ouch...

:>

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I Know quite a bit, actually....

...having observed, studied and professionally interacted with people who had fallen prey.

You simply present yourself as party-hack, but wrapping yourself up in your (what I see as) flawed-version of 'republicon-liberty'.

As common as poop on the bottom of a birdcage and just as distasteful, to a thinking man.

Rand is YOUR man! Go RepubliCONS!

He or some other 'leader', along with your efforts, will usher in a triumphant GOP takeover by those who see things as you do, right?

Snore.....

For someone who claims they have experience

You sure employ a lot of inflamatory accusations, insults and profanity leading one to believe, at best, you are frustrated, ultimately angry, and bitter.

Boredom is a sign of ignorance.

Peace be with you.

Yep

I make assessments based on available information, experience, knowledge, critical thinking and cognitive reasoning.

Yes, I enjoy the use of fiery, at times profane rhetoric. Not interested in gentile, soothing, kindly, lofty or other discussions in general. I prefer to get down to it and call it as it is.

I certainly enjoy showing disdain and disgust for some things and for some people and their advocacy. We all have our individual approach and opinions, well, actually some have individual ones and others choose a 'group' path.

In addition, you can bet your ass that I get angry when loss of liberty is involved and most certainly when the actions and advocacy of some, facilitates or leads to that continued loss.

As an aside, I am sorry that you are plagued by boredom.

May the force be with you,

Dream on

I'm far from bored.

The force is with me. It's why I'm happy.

LOL

You have your own cause, impotence. You are absolutely committed to pursuing a strategy which anyone in their right mind can see is absolutely futile.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."