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Chris Kyle's first kill, with no regrets

I don't pretend to be a Chris Kyle expert. I never even heard of him before this past weekend. I just know what I have recently read.

Apparently, the guy's first kill in Iraq was a woman holding a baby in one hand, a grenade in the other. She obviously cares a lot about whatever she is standing up for. Obviously this is not some Al Queda that came in to fill the vacuum of the Sadam-less Iraq. This is an Iraqi woman, standing up to the invader.

So he took her out and had no regrets. No regrets in killing a woman defending her country. No regrets in killing a woman who stood up to an invading force which invaded on false pretenses.

Even after the fact that we now know that we went in there without any threat from them. We went in a killed multitudes of Iraqis....still he had no regret. I am sorry, but he is no hero. He seems like a cold hearted killer. The hero in this story is that woman, if you ask me.

Wouldn't you want our women to stand up to an invading force? One that was invading without provocation?




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I agree with seeing a real

I agree with seeing a real problem with having so little respect for human life. I can't imagine this was the best person to have training public servants (police). I would hope we would want our police to have total respect for human life.

The whole mess is sad. The wars and the hundreds of thousands of deaths including Kyles. All these dead people for what? Do we have more liberty today than we had when all these people still breathed? What exactly have we accomplished?

No, Chris Kyle is more like Westboro Baptist Church

The problem with Westboro is that they take advantage of the dead in a place they have no business doing it. Obama is indeed like Westboro when he parades the children from Newtown out to advance his cause....but Mr Kyle is also guilty of this when he writes and sells books and makes his money based on what has proven to be a war brought on by untrue conclusions. We are GUILTY of invading another sovereign nation without provocation....guilty of the same thing Sadam was in the 90s.

That said, Mr Kyle came home, boasting and bragging about his accomplishments, his records, etc. Not enough to claim the number he officially has but has to point out he killed a lot more than that AND he wanted to kill even more. So...it seems to me he is pressing to his advantage killing.

So, I see that HE is the one that sounds a lot like Westboro.

So where do we come into the equation? Well, fast forward to Chris Kyle's untimely death. Out there, all over, he is being called a hero, someone beloved by his country for risking his life in defense of our freedoms. This is NOT some funeral that otherwise be unknown to the general public. This is a national figure...a national figure KNOWN because of his own boasting of being the American Sniper.

In THAT context, people like Ron Paul or some of the rest of us question all that...we don't show up at a private funeral...we don't seek to take advantage of his death in any way like he did from the many he killed (and many more he wished he had killed.) We just question the constant mantra that he is some sort of super human being, worthy of all our praise and adoration. I don't think so....quite the contrary.

The only thing

Were you there? Do you personally know the backstory on what happened? It's profound how someone can truly think they are being "so moral" when the complete opposite is true. Pride really is the ultimate sin, blinding yourself from even considering the truth, much less actually knowing it.

You are no better than the likes of Obama standing on the graves of dead school children to advance his anti-2nd amendment agenda. And just like Glenn Beck pointed out, no better than the likes of the Westboro Baptist Church.

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A woman holding a baby in one hand and a grenade in her other hand.

Was this story told by the same writers who described the Iraqi Republican Army in 1991 going into Kuwait hospitals, impaling pregnant women and turning over incubators? The story that turned out to be a lie but it did as intended - enraging the American people to send our troops into the Middle East.

And I agree with you...I would defend my family from a foreign invasion too, but I wouldn't be holding my baby while I did it - no mother would.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

I do not speak ill of the Dead

If there is an after life judgement he faced or is facing it now.

That said I Upticked this article. He was a mercinary not fighting a war for this country. Unconstitutional undeclared brought on by government PROVEN lies.

He had a oath and he violated it so he was not wearing the american flag. Even if he was Snipers are not honorable they hide and back shoot. In the old west they would have been hanged. Bounty hunters used sniper tactics and were distained by the public.

The real question to me is: Was that a government hit on him? Did the killer have a new truck or a large amount of new money?

I have read accounts of the killer from other soldiers who new him. First they say PTSD is a joke this guy was never into any PTSD stuff, he was a Machanic who stayed in the motor pool.

Another account he was a happy joking jovial person.

So the sniper was into promoting classes to arm schools.

The controlers of the gov get a double bang, vilvify Vetrans, Open fire on all PTSD, and of course make guns the villan and grab all the guns so they can genocide the nation.

Rothschild mafia we are on to you and your days are numbered.

sovereign

LOL, you are nut

LOL, you are nut

Pynchon's Slothrop

Pynchon's Slothrop in Gravity's Rainbow undergoes continuous entropy increase. With every new uncovering of the code symbols surrounding his place in the cosmos he loses information, interconnections growing boundless, the more he learns the more uncertain he becomes until he disintegrates. Meanwhile, all those entangled with him suffer a slow freeze, entropy decreasing until they are immobilized without possibility of surprise.

Motive? PTSD? any other possible motives?

sovereign

Army’s “Sniper Training” field manual

FM 23-10, the Army’s “Sniper Training” field manual, makes no bones about the primary purpose. “The sniper must be able to calmly and deliberately kill targets that may not pose an immediate threat to him. ... The sniper must not be susceptible to emotions such as anxiety or remorse.”

superb analysis imo

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Couldn't agree with you more,

Couldn't agree with you more, Billy but I didn't read that she was holding a child. I read that there were maybe one or two children nearby.

Individualism-
To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight; and never stop fighting.
e.e. cummings

Google Chris Kyle CNN

Here is the link from cnn that states the woman was cradling a toddler.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/03/us/texas-sniper-killed-kyle-pr...

Chris Kyle was a scumbag.

He used christianity as a justification for murder. When he said he could stand before god with a clear conscious, I knew he was a twisted evil soul himself.

Right On!

Anyone who takes up arms directly against invaders are heroic. Imagine that. A woman with a baby standing up against the most powerful military force on the face of the planet!

This reminds me of how the FBI sniper murdered Randy Weaver's wife while she was holding her baby at Ruby Ridge.

Will Grigg wrote an on-point article regarding Chris Kyle.

Here is one quote, "For some reason many Iraqis resented the armed emissaries of the distant government that had installed Saddam in power, built up his arsenal and apparatus of domestic repression, and then conferred upon the inhabitants of that nation the unmatched blessing of several decades of wars, embargoes, airstrikes, disease
and the early, avoidable deaths of hundreds of thousands of children."

http://www.freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2012/02/pseudo-cour...

As per the article:

Neither were heroes as there was anger coming from both sides. BOTH sides trying to eradicate one another. Her anger of American dominance and his lack of discretion in shooting a woman. She was protecting her child but also using the baby as a shield. He was acting recklessly without seeking a peaceful alternative.

Both were wrong.

Reasonable but surely over

Reasonable but surely over simplified.

~Good Night, And Good Luck~

Wouldn't you want our women

Wouldn't you want our women to stand up to an invading force? One that was invading without provocation?

Nope, she should have been more concerned with the welfare of her child, not that I approve of Kyle's actions in Iraq either.

Never trouble trouble til trouble troubles you. Fortune Cookie

I agree. Carrying your child

I agree. Carrying your child into battle knowing that you and the child will most certainly die, hero's don't use children as shields.

Did you even consider ...

... that her situation was so awful that she thought it preferable for she and her child be dead than to live in Hell on earth? That maybe she thought one or both would be mistreated or killed while in custody and that she'd rather her child die instantly than to die slowly and painfully? That she thought she had more of a right to her child's life and death than a stranger? That she though that maybe she'd be raped in front of her child?

Maybe she just didn't have a babysitter at the moment. *rolls eyes*

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Fuck 'em all, we don't need 'em

Right.

When the parents at Waco refused to send there children out to the custody of our apostate government then the government went in and murdered them all and blamed it on the parents. The thought of the enemy stealing your child and indoctrinating him/her into their lawless ways is repugnant so the choice is not so cut and dry as some posters think. I understand completely why she would hold on to her child and use whatever means she had available to fight. Those who don't understand that do not understand just what we are up against.

She wasn't holding a Baby...

From his book...

“She was … blinded by evil,” “She just wanted Americans dead, no matter what. My shots saved several Americans, whose lives were clearly worth more than that woman’s twisted soul.”

Personally I think some people have to view it like that, as well they'd have to accept they killed people resisting occupiers...

Here's an interesting critique on the books mentality.
http://www.freedominourtime.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/pseudo-co...

“I looked through the scope,” Kyle recalls. “The only people who were moving were [a] woman and maybe a child or two nearby. I watched the troops pull up. Ten young, proud Marines in uniform got out of their vehicles and gathered for a foot patrol. As the Americans organized, the woman took something from beneath her clothes, and yanked at it. She’d set a grenade.”

“It was my duty to shoot, and I don’t regret it,” Kyle attests. “The woman was already dead. I was just making sure she didn’t take any Marines with her.

What were we doing there in the first place?

That is the entire point! If we were not illegally occupying THEIR land to protect greedy global corporate oil and energy interests, she would not even be in this confrontational situation. As Dr. Paul has been saying for his entire life, stay out of other people's affairs. That ass clown should have never been there in the first place, along with the rest of the gangs masquerading as troops. They were not there protecting our freedom, they are their protecting profits for blood.

beephree

I was citing a CNN piece which said she was holding a "toddler."

But thanks for the link...here is a great quote (not great in the sense it is worthy of praise but great in the sense that it shows what a barbarian Kyle was)....

“Savage, despicable evil,” writes Kyle. “That’s what we were fighting in Iraq…. People ask me all the time, `How many people have you killed?’... The number is not important to me. I only wish I had killed more. Not for bragging rights, but because I believe the world is a better place without savages out there taking American lives.”

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Well h-ll, you ought to know

Well h-ll, you ought to know better than to trust CNN :)
Seriously, they do twist about everything.

Individualism-
To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight; and never stop fighting.
e.e. cummings

Its tough making this

Its tough making this argument to the sheep given the grenade. Does anyone know if the baby was ok?

Iraq was just another UN police action giving murderers like...

...Chris Kyle an excuse to do what he wanted to do.. KILL PEOPLE.

The system deceives "good killers" into committing murder on behalf of the state.

This is what the state likes most about drones... drones do what they are told to do even under the most heinous circumstances.

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I wonder

Grenade, or was it a milk bottle the woman was holding? Reminds me of the article about a drone operator who said just as he launched a missile strike a kid popped into his monitor view. His superiors reassured him it was just a dog.

I thought the exact same thing.

This guy was a mass killer. Certainly a few white lies would not have gnawed at him either.

It doesnt sound like she was

It doesnt sound like she was defending her country as much as she was protecting her baby. Even the mafia wouldnt stoop to such a level.

Dose of truth that is hard to keep down.

Yeah he may be right but this guy Chris Kyle is just another victim of the system of big government.

It makes me angry to think of another wasted life caused by the effects of never ending wars.

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."