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Ralph Nader: The Rule of Law or the Rule of Men?

Last week, the State Department reassigned the official responsible for the "diplomatic issues" pertaining to the closing of the Guantanamo Bay prison. This was a telling sign that the Obama administration is abandoning its long-held but little-fought-for promise of closing that notorious facility where a majority of prisoners proved to be innocent, often victims of bounty hunters in Afghanistan during 2001 and 2002. With this new development, infinite detention has become ingrained in the woodwork of the government. The Obama administration has failed to present a viable path forward in ending this cruel and inhumane practice. As such, the military will continue to "detain" prisoners that it classifies as terrorists or supporters of terrorists without charges, without trial, and without any oversight.

Furthermore, the language used to describe this detention authorization is so broad that many argue that even American citizens are now susceptible to indefinite imprisonment. So much for habeas corpus! What does this say about the health of civil liberties in our country? The politics of fear have always sold well, but now they are selling fundamental rights and liberties of Americans citizens down the river.

The irony is that the citizens, as taxpayers, are footing the bill for this systematic breakdown of the rule of law. Recall the words of renowned broadcast journalist Edward R. Murrow: "A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves."


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Rule of men

Has been for some time.

Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools, that don't have brains enough to be honest. - Ben Franklin

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"An unreasonable man" - recommended

The documentary "An Unreasonable Man" on Nader is very worthwhile, even if you feel he doesn't reflect your own worldview. It's on the Netflix 'watch now' streaming service.

Currently consuming: Morehouse's "Better off free", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football

In college I liked Ralph Nader

and looking back on it I think it was because he was/is basically a watered-down liberal version of Ron Paul - I had no idea who Ron Paul was in college nor did I understand liberalism or anything else really.

My point is that I respect a man willing to stand by and defend his beliefs no matter how unpopular or difficult it may be.

Sometimes Ralph hits the nail on the head.

"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle."

He's sounding quite a bit like


With all due respect, I will no longer be a voting prostitute for Constitution rejecting harlots.

Nader's far from the Dr. in state power but partners in peace

Well, Nader's far from the Good Dr. in views of state power. Like many good natured liberal progressives, he is comfortable with the state exercising supreme power providing its accomplishing "the good", which, of course, is whatever he decides it should be.

Aside from that, they are partners in peace and civil liberty, which is commendable enough. I admire Nader for his willingness to take on the powers that be, and I voted for him in 2008, rather than the lesser of two evils.

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

It's funny to me that people have labled Nader a progressive

Ron Paul and Ralph Nader are very simular. Ralph Nader wrote for Christian Science Monitor.. I find him very conservative, I know of no one who has been rupped off and has sued the government more than Nader.

He has never belonged to any politcal party, is very independent.. he broke the Green Party because he refused to join Green Party International.. so they formed a Green Party USA for him.

He gave me a U.S. Constitution reproduction in thanking me for being a team leader collecting signatures for his ballot access in several states.

The people closest to him are family members, who even manage his campaigns, like Ron Paul. He is VERY Private, kind, honest.

MSM has censored, lied about, and undermined Ralph Nader at every turn.

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I've always heard that he considers himself conservative

His views never sound anything like the democrats or republicans, though, as he likes to tell the truth.

Currently consuming: Morehouse's "Better off free", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football

glad to hear you say that

Rand Paul is ambitious

Ralph has been accused of the same things he's accusing Rand, arrogant, unreachable, and a liar.

Yes, I can believe that Rand is not going to answer to Nader or anyone about what his family is doing, or what's going on in the GOP. Lst thing Rand, who is admittedly ambitious, is to have Nader repeat something as if Nader is a confident.

Working with Nader, let me tell you, his family protects him, and everything he does is in the wide open with the public.. there are no one on one.. if the roles were reversed Nader could have done the same thing.

Nader also says "Rand Paul restrained him. I don’t know how much was voluntary by Ron Paul. But he didn’t make a big fuss at the Convention because of Rand Paul."

I highly doubt Rand Paul restrained Ron. Nader does not know how much was voluntary by Ron.. I'd say ALL OF IT, because Ron Paul set a foundation FOR RAND.. Rand is going where Ron would not. I'm not the only one here who sees this. I'm by far not the only person here who understands Ron Paul gave us the foundation, and Rand Paul is who is putting it to work in the GOP.

Why didn't Ron Paul leave the GOP? For Rand. Do you think Rand controls Ron? I don't. I think this is a family that has done it's homework and is making it's move to RESTORE THE REPUBLIC.

Finally, everything I experienced as a Ron Paul RepubliCAN has been a cake walk by comparison to the living hell I went through, and witnessed on others, working for Indy and third party ballot access, and open debates, under Nader.

too funny

all of a sudden nader (this man of known integrity) is off the mark and doesn't know what he's talking about.
his report rings true to me.

All of a sudden?

I worked on Nader's campaigns for three elections.

All we ever won were mulitble law suits in multible states, that each election became harder and harder to achieve and more and more brutal. Now back then, we could establish a find to bail each other out of jail for bogus arrests.. now the terrorism laws prevent that.

I came to conclusion, that what we were actually doing, was giving the major party's and their supporters that had government jobs, the opportunity to do exactly what we were working so hard to achieve.. open debates and ballot access.

It was as if with every election. they get better and better at closing us down and preventing us from getting Nader on the ballot.

Like Ron Paul, Nader is a messanger, and he has his supporters EXERCIZE democracy be getting involved with campaigns that go nowhere.. in Nader's case, multible law suits in multible states, that not only bannkrupted us, but we lost every law suit, but one BS, meaningless suit, the judge laughed at us.

So I think Ron Paul and Ralph Nader are VERY SIMULAR, actually have the same message, but the difference is Ron Paul stuck in the GOP because of Rand.

And I am learning from Rand. so if others, like perhaos you, choose to judge him and bash him, I don't take it personally. Bash away. You aren't learning anything. I am and I love learning.. and I love to see how the GOP is changing because of Rand.


as you know is a man of integrity, and well known for telling it like it is. in the article i supplied he called rand craven, arrogant and a liar.

would you admit that there might be SOMETHING to that? or are you going to call him a rand basher?

I'm calling him a political party basher

I worked for Nader for three campaigns.. know him personally. His birthday is comming up, February 27th.. been to parties for him.

Get this.. he thinks I'm "wonderful". I have a picture of me and Nader, he has his arm around me. He was really dissappointed when I told him I was going to support Ron Paul. He didn't have anything nice to say about Ron until Ron invited him to debate in 08.

Now.. let's get something straight.. I'm not asking you to like or agree with Rand. I do. You are not going to change that. Only I will change that IF I change that. It will be on my terms, not yours. Bash Rand all you like, to your hearts content.. to me all that means is you don't get Rand. I have no problem with that.

Ron has a message. Rand has a mission. I'm on the mission. I LOVE it. Hope you find your mission that you LOVE as much as I LOVE mine.


yes you didn't

answer the query as usual.

my mission is to spread the libertarian message of ron paul. IMO it needs to spread more, and more, and more and more, till one day!
elections? just don't get your hopes up. we've all seen the lying, cheating, smearing, ousting and changing of rules in a heartbeat.

why wouldn't he think you're wonderful? .. having differing opinions to my way of thinking does not make
one more or less wonderful. jeesh.

That's great

You spread the message and I'll work to materialise it as I have no hope that someone else will do it for me.

Some talk, some walk.. I'm walking the talk, which is not so pure, for as Rand pointed out, "Some talk about what they want, and others realize we have to to work with what we have to get what we want."

And know this.. I'm harder on the Neocons than anyone here.

Ralph Nader

Ron and Ralph do not line up on everything, but Ralph Nader is still a good man.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul


I think that good doc quoted this in one of his 'Ron Paul Straight Talk' messages:

Edward R. Murrow: "A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves."

Thanks Steven and everyone else who posted comments here.

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Right? Left? Centre?

In many respects the truth of much that Nader and Paul stand for and their integrity in standing up for truth obviates any labels of right or left. Kucinich a case in point as well.

As a believer in the Almighty such behaviour, regardless of whether the proponent is as well, reminds me of the need to love Him above all else and fight oppression wherever one sees it. Whether the oppressor be your ostensible friend or foe.

Nader is an epic supporter of

Nader is an epic supporter of the Constitution and human rights. Awesome man. A quick search says that the Natural Law party from Michigan elected Nader as their presidential candidate in 2008.

Southern Agrarian

Good post

His stuff is so much easier to respect when he's not a candidate for political office and can honestly speak his mind.


Fancy Shmancy Fine Print:

Thanks for a bump

I wish his voice on civil liberties etc. would be heard more often in the MSM.
I don't remember the last time CNN allowed him some time -- a long long time ago.

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Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15