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What will it take for you to quit supporting murder?

What will it take for you to withdraw your support of our tyrannical government?

When will you give up your fear of the Nanny State and quit paying your taxes?

Jail serves three meals a day.

Are you scared? Provide an answer then.

Answer my question. How far must the central government go?

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No worries OP. I have a

No worries OP. I have a hunch, that before too long, no one will have any " funny money" or jobs to pay taxes with. Did you ever notice that when you put the words "The" and "IRS" together, it spells "THEIRS?"

It is not just jail.

They will take my farm. I have no retirement, we burned through it trying to find help for me after the SSRI poisoning. If they take the farm, we will be street people, and we are too old to start over.
Yes, it is fear that makes me pay my taxes. I am not proud of it, but sometimes to "live to fight another day" is the best I can muster.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

It's Complicated

like everything else the rats that rule do. They make it next to impossible to rebel. Companies are required to withhold on you. If they don't THEY get in deep trouble. If you don't want to have your income tax and SS withheld you don't get the job. The government has turned the companies into the "tax police" and if you don't file your freaking returns they garnish your wages or put a lien on your house. Then they send hired goons to kick you out or haul you off to jail. Okay if you are in jail you are making a statement (case in point, Peter Schiff's dad) but it doesn't really serve a purpose because the general public doesn't even know or care. Life goes on in Washington without a hitch. There has to be a paradigm shift in order to change things and it is happening thanks to the net. The best bet is to WAKE PEOPLE UP! This gun thing may be the catalyst that does just that!

skippy

Brash but thought provoking

Becoming a further subjugated slave doesn't serve a practical purpose. Going to prison for your beliefs does nothing but get you sent to prison. The last straw for me? Disarmament.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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ONLY when enough people...

are non-compliant does a tyrannical government topple.

As long as people support it, it persists.

Non-compliance is the most peaceful approach. Otherwise, people end up dieing in a bloody revolution - which may or may not succeed.

hrmm

There's nothing peaceful about being locked up in a cage. Just because you aren't causing the violence in return, doesn't mean it's peaceful.

I've never heard of a government collapsing from only non-compliance of it's citizens. In fact, I think the government finding dissenters easily, and killing them quickly, or imprisoning a vast majority of them, often leads to the perpetuation of these governments. I'd like to hear some examples, I could be wrong.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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As of this comment, this post has 10+ votes when there was 13+..

I am curious why ANY libertarian would downvote this. Why? Please explain.

The question is rather simple. What is the level of tyranny you are willing to endure before you avoid paying taxes to the best of your ability?

I hope you get a better answer than I did

I think it's cowardly to downvote without explaning and I was told 'GFY' for it. It must be some kind of power trip for the person to be able to downvote without saying why, to voice an negative opinion without the responsibility of answering for it.

Getting out of the tax thing is very scary for many. We've been indoctrinated and it's difficult to wake up. Most of us have been taught it's our duty and responsibility to pay taxes.

I think the bigger problem is how we think of governments and its agents. We've separated ourselves from governing by leaving the decisions up to those who were elected. Maybe all the crap we endure is blowback on us for being irresponsible and allowing our hirelings power over us.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

because youre being a dick

First of all you should word this "we", not "you". You are sound so self righteous and arrogant.

Second of all, it is incredibly unreasonable to question a mother who says she can't go to jail as you put it because of her children. I think its more important to be there for your kids instead proving a point and going to jail.

Being a Dick?

I think a lot of times people here mistake frustration for dickness. Ha Okay there is no such word, but you get the point.

skippy

The only way to teach the youth to reject slavery...

is to reject slavery ourselves. Otherwise, "we" teach them to be conditional slaves.

I just asked a question - a good question at that.

I would be easier if I wasn't a mother...

...If I only had me to think about...and yet I realize their future is at stake either way.

Lead by example...

I assume it's alright to teach your children to be government slaves in certain circumstances?

So it's better if a mother was jailed and her children put in

social services?
I like a lot of your posts but this one left me scratching my head.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Unfortunately...

the school of hard knocks seems to be the most effective way for humans to learn. Going along to get along only teaches children to follow suit. The most effective way to defeat tyranny is to be non-compliant. This has been known since the 1500's, if not earlier.

Should children be taught to be compliant with government tyranny in particular circumstances?

Reality is not always pleasant.

I intend to tell the truth - which is not always popular.

I have discovered several

I have discovered several simple devices that can illustrate to a child's mind the principles on which the modern state deals with its citizens. You may find them helpful, too.

For example, I used to play the simple card game WAR with my son. After a while, when he thoroughly understood that the higher ranking cards beat the lower ranking ones, I created a new game I called GOVERNMENT. In this game, I was Government, and I won every trick, regardless of who had the better card. My boy soon lost interest in my new game, but I like to think it taught him a valuable lesson for later in life.

When your child is a little older, you can teach him about our tax system in a way that is easy to grasp. Offer him, say, $10 to mow the lawn. When he has mowed it and asks to be paid, withhold $5 and explain that this is income tax. Give $1 to his younger brother, and tell him that this is "fair". Also, explain that you need the other $4 yourself to cover the administrative costs of dividing the money. When he cries, tell him he is being "selfish" and "greedy". Later in life he will thank you.

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I already tried

not paying taxes and they just up and took it out of my wages the next year. ohhhh I get it.. I have other skills that I've bartered for and been paid in other ways that didn't include taxes

Garnet
Daughter of 1776 American Revolutionists

It TOOK my willingless to be called a useless bum who just didnt

want to participate in the tax-paying system because I was lazy.

No, I'm not lazy. I just won't give money to criminals. They can send all the nasty letters they want. They can kidnap me and call it arrest if they want. I don't care. Repeat. I don't care.

even Teddy Roosevelt disdained pandas

More should think like you, Chris...

but they are still scared of the consequences.

Been thinking of a post on what to expect when arrested

for the first time.

First clue will be - Miranda Rights are made for TV only.

even Teddy Roosevelt disdained pandas

Thoreau:

"Unjust laws exist; shall we be content to obey them, or shall we endeavor to amend them, and obey them until we have succeeded, or shall we transgress them at once? Men generally, under such a government as this, think that they ought to wait until they have persuaded the majority to alter them. They think that, if they should resist, the remedy would be worse than the evil. But it is the fault of the government itself that the remedy is worse than the evil. It makes it worse. Why is it not more apt to anticipate and provide for reform? Why does it not cherish its wise minority? Why does it cry and resist before it is hurt? Why does it not encourage its citizens to be on the alert to point out its faults, and do better than it would have them? Why does it always crucify Christ, and excommunicate Copernicus (2) and Luther,(3) and pronounce Washington and Franklin rebels?

One would think, that a deliberate and practical denial of its authority was the only offence never contemplated by government; else, why has it not assigned its definite, its suitable and proportionate, penalty? If a man who has no property refuses but once to earn nine shillings for the State, he is put in prison for a period unlimited by any law that I know, and determined only by the discretion of those who placed him there; but if he should steal ninety times nine shillings from the State, he is soon permitted to go at large again.

If the injustice is part of the necessary friction of the machine of government, let it go, let it go; perchance it will wear smooth — certainly the machine will wear out. If the injustice has a spring, or a pulley, or a rope, or a crank, exclusively for itself, then perhaps you may consider whether the remedy will not be worse than the evil; but if it is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. Let your life be a counter friction to stop the machine. What I have to do is to see, at any rate, that I do not lend myself to the wrong which I condemn."

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Walters - Ever been out to Walden Pond?

It is not but a 30 minute drive from my house. I've been there many times. It is a beautiful place. I always take my visitors there. One day, maybe I can take you.

When I was there once with a friend who was here visiting from Taiwan, (an American ExPat) he told me a story about how Thoreau was in jail for being a tax protester. His friend came to visit him in jail, and said, "Hey, Henry - what are you doing in there?" And his friend said to him, "The real question is, what are you doing out there?"

I always remember that when I go out there. I have some nice pictures of Walden Pond. I should put them up on my Postcards from the Revolution site.

Running a blog takes time; time has been tight of late.

Hey Walters, you should have a blog. How come you don't? They're easy to set up.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

I set one up but...

for some reason I quit writing on it. To be honest, I believe the reason was because I thought I would get more views on the DP. I just want to reach people. I don't care much about notoriety or the money; however, other people would like me to make more money.

I'm skilled nonetheless. I'm excellent at mathematics and science. I can build roads. I can frame houses. I can grow crops. I can take care of livestock. I'm a master baiter... etc.

Mostly, I've removed my participation with society. Right now, I only work for liberty. I hit up Lew Rockwell earlier today. Maybe he'll exchange a wage for my services. Maybe not.

I live from day to day and pursue happiness. Rat races are not my style. I'd win - in my estimation - but I just don't care for them.

Michael

You are one cool dude. And one great American!

^5

The tough part is the illusion of choice

Murderer party A or murderer party B.

Best thing is to spread the word and get every person you know onto alternative news sites.

The MSM viewership is plummeting. That is a good thing. The last few generations hooked on MSM cable tv and believing it like gospel are disappearing.

The State is no different than a mugger.

And you are no more morally culpable for what the state does after extorting you than you are for what the mugger does.

That said, our goal is to educate enough people, so that someday we will have enough for mass individual secession and civil disobedience.

Strategically it makes no sense to have a few libertarians rot in jail now, instead of waiting for the right time and creating a tax revolt so large that they couldn't counter it.

Strength in numbers, wait for the right opportunity.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

The question STILL stands: What will it take to withdraw support

????

Will you still pay taxes out of fear when they start confiscating firearms?

Here's a secret.

I have never payed income taxes in my life.

Are you currently practicing what you preach?

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Yes...

I am practicing what I preach. I never intend to pay federal income taxes again.

What do you do to avoid them? What is your line of work?