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What will it take for you to quit supporting murder?

What will it take for you to withdraw your support of our tyrannical government?

When will you give up your fear of the Nanny State and quit paying your taxes?

Jail serves three meals a day.

Are you scared? Provide an answer then.

Answer my question. How far must the central government go?

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Fine, I'll let you weasel out of this...

I'll pretend I'm stupid enough to believe you never pay sales taxes ever.

Continuing to play this game with you is not worth my time.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

You don't have to be fake being stupid...

I don't pay sales tax... or any state tax for that matter within my state.

You still haven't answered how you've avoided federal income taxes ALL OF YOUR LIFE.

Because, all of my life is only 22 years...

and the means are none of anybody's business.

Goodbye.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Goodbye...

That's what I thought.

Ask questions but refuse to answer equivalent questions in your direction. Typical.

Downvoting without reply is real classy...

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No...

There is NO federal consumption tax.

Federal income tax can be avoided.

A tax is a tax.

Whether local, state, or federal.

Whether consumption or income.

It is just as immoral.

You are still paying taxes, so aren't you an accomplice then too?

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

My state doesn't have a standing army...

I avoid every tax that I can. As a matter of fact, most of the time I avoid state and city sales tax.

However, paying taxes that can be avoided is doing so out of fear of penalty; there's no way around it.

Your state has cops that kill and violate rights every day...

you pay them sales taxes, so aren't you an accomplice to their crimes?

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Most of the time, I pay NO tax...

unless it cannot be avoided.

I've said REPEATEDLY that when taxes CAN be avoided, that paying them shows complicity. I avoid every penny of tax that I can.

Maybe you should read more carefully.

You can choose not to eat, or grow your own food..

or to barter, but you knowingly pay sales taxes that you can avoid.

How are you then not complicit?

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

I do grow my own food and I also avoid sales tax...

when I buy goods from the store.

Less mugger, more mafia!

They tell you to pay up for your own protection...but what protection is there, really?

The only difference between the state and the mafia is...

Everybody laughs at the mafia when they claim to be legitimate, when state claims legitimacy they are unquestionably believed.

It's because of this illusion of legitimacy that the state is a much more successful criminal organization.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

The sanction of the victim.

Indoctrinating children with the superstition of "rightful authority" is the primary purpose of the government "education system." Teach a kid that "government" has a moral right to control him and dispose of his property as they see fit, and he's their willing slave for life.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

If only...

people would apply the same moral principles that they hold their neighbors and themselves to, to government.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Piercing comment, dabooda.

Piercing comment, dabooda. Piercing.

Teach a kid government has a moral right to control him and dispose of his property as it sees fit, he's its willing slave for life.

Is there an implacable defense for government outside the constitution? Not when dabooda's in the neighborhood.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

Don't misquote me.

I try to use the pronoun "them" when speaking of "government" -- and I'll frequently mark the word "government" itself with quotation marks to remind myself and readers that "government" isn't some magical all-powerful beast with special moral privileges. It's just a bunch of folks, like you or me -- only worse, because, unlike me, they have chosen to employ threats and force in their dealings with others, and extortion ("taxes") as their means of "earning" a livelihood. "Government" is just individuals who have chosen evil as their way of life.

I'm not a huge fan of "government" outside OR inside the Constitution. The sentiments behind the Bill of Rights were noble -- but one thing the Constitution has proven is that "limited government" is an oxymoron. Quoth Larken Rose:

Government is a ruling class. It doesn’t matter how much rhetoric it’s hidden under and whether you say “it’s representative” or “our master is really our servant.” The shorthand version is: If there’s somebody who can boss you around and take your money, HE'S NOT YOUR SERVANT. If he CAN’T boss you around and take your money, he’s not “government.” And as soon as you have someone above you, as soon as you have a master, as soon as you have a ruling class, even if you have a Constitution that you can wave around and say “these are the things you’re supposed to do” – WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHEN HE DOESN'T??

As soon as you accept the premise of government and authority and a ruling class, the only thing keeping it "limited" is the conscience of the master. Like if you’re a slave, and you say, “I accept that I’m your slave, master, I belong to you, but please be nice to me.” Well, maybe he will and maybe he won’t -- but it's not up to YOU any more. And that’s the problem with “limited government”: As soon as it’s government, it’s the master.
-- from a radio broadcast called "Freedom Frenzy"

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

I like the way you think, Josh!

: )

I have strugggled with this very question for years.

I have been living off savings for some time now. I rack my brain constantly trying to figure out how to work and avoid taxes without the threat of jail. My best answer is to live in 'poverty' so as not to be eligible for income tax, grow your own food, own your home in a low tax area, get solar, and barter often. I have also thought about moving to a place that did not wage war, which is pretty much anywhere but here. I would rather opt out of all taxes but the war waging and the constant lies are my biggest beefs.

Why can't we just claim 'conscientious objector' status?

I've thought about this a lot

but if the money is being taken from me, is that different than if I freely give it?

I know money is the main area of support but aren't there many ways to support or not support an institution other than providing it with $$$$?

Just some questions that partially arise out of my own cowardice and partially arise out of my inability to fully apply/understand my spiritual belif in 'rendering unto Ceaser what is Ceasers.'

"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle."

When there are avenues not to pay...

a person that pays is paying by choice or at least out of passiveness due to fear of consequences.

How would you treat other moral obligations such as

providing for a family, whether it be children or parents? At that point the choice would be between providing and paying taxes, or not providing and not paying taxes.

Are there other options to not pay or pay as little as possible besides simply going to jail?

Would the ideal situation be for an individual to live alone or with like-minded others in an isolated, self-sustaining community far from any utilities (pay for electric and internet you help pay for taxes, etc.) or other things that require money?

"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle."

People tend to find ways to survive...

Children that find themselves unjustly taken from good parents through government action will certainly always remember the reason for their plight. The government can't take one's birthday away.

As far as parents are concerned, they are adults.

As long as people search for excuses to support the government, the government will persist.

Paying taxes to a tyrannical government is more despicable than voting for its leaders.

Didn't Jefferson say that government is a neccessary evil?

Never mind, it was Paine.

If government is always evil/tyrannical to some degree, then shouldn't it have never been established?

The government, a government, will always persist - It just doesn't seem worthwhile, other than out of trying to attain full moral purity (which isn't realistic), to quit paying taxes and go to jail.

I may be mistaken but as a prisoner you are requiring the collection of taxes to pay for your shelter and 3 meals? Also some prisoners make license plates or other things - as a prisoner you would be providing cheap labor to a government you do not support?

I don't know - I just can't jive fully with what you are saying - you may very well be right, but in my mind it seems that the only solution is to lay naked, motionless on the ground until you die of thirst and refuse any help along the way because the ambulance would require gasoline which requires paying a tax to purchase - and be sure to die on land that is not-taxable.

I'm sorry if this sounds sarcastic - I'm being very serious, I'm just explaing what I'm thinking and how it sounds to me.

Maybe I just don't get it, or maybe I just don't want to.

"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle."

Being scared of consequences as motivation to comply is still...

compliance.

The beast lives off of your tax money. Paying it is complicity with their intentions.

Where do YOU draw the line? What would it take for YOU to quit paying?

If I were 100% honest

and speaking from my gut, I would say that nothing would stop me from paying because I pay taxes and a portion of tax money has been used to fund the murder of millions of babies and I know that tax funded abortion continues and yet I still pay.

Abortion crosses any line I would draw by miles and miles.

If I am truly complicit in all the evil this government does because I would rather pay a percentage of my earnings than go to prison then GOD will judge me accordingly and all I can do is ask for mercy in the name of Christ.

Maybe that sounds like a copout but that's where I'm at. Maybe that will change and maybe it won't, only time will tell.

"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle."

It's part of our indoctrination...

Just like alcohol, by serving, is about 6 times more deadly than marijuana (which practically could NEVER be overdosed on), if a friend stopped by and asked me or you if we wanted to stop by and have a drink would be no problem whereas if they asked - in front of children - if we would like to stop by and smoke a joint, it would be a problem - regardless of illegality.

Death and taxes.

I will die, but for the rest of my life, I will avoid taxes to the best of my ability. I'm willing to go to jail, but it will only decrease the overall productivity of society. The government can cut off its nose to spite its face if it wishes.

Rand Paul

for president.

Keep In Mind

That as long as the Fed can print money, they don't really need tax money. G Edward Griffin mentioned that in The Creature From Jekyll Island. On page 203 (of my copy):

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It is a sobering thought that the federal government now could operate - even at its current level of spending - without levying any taxes whatsoever. All it has to do is create the required money through the Federal Reserve System by monetizing its own bonds. In fact, most of the money it now spends is obtained that way.
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