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George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are the real devils.

There is a lot of discussion here at the daily Paul about whether Chris Kyle was a hero or a cold blooded killer. Maybe he was both. I am sure he had good intentions when he joined the military and decided to serve his country. It is not his fault that Bush and Cheney decided to invade Iraq so that they could get millions of dollars in kickbacks from Halliburton. Once you are in the military you go to war wherever you are told to. The U.S. government trained Kyle to be a cold blooded killer. He was the best cold blooded killer they ever trained. That is the job of a soldier, to kill the enemy before they kill you. I am sure he saved the lives of many american soldiers.That makes him a hero to most people. Lets all remember that Bush and Cheney are the real monsters here. They are the ones that sent Kyle and thousands of other Americans to invade Iraq and kill its people. None of the soldiers were consulted about whether or not the USA should invade Iraq. Lets keep working so that one day we might elect a president that will only go to to war to defend our nation and then only with a declaration of war from congress.



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allow recruiters to come into the schools, assemble the students and give them a sales pitch on why they should join. They get kids all hyped up and get them to join on the spot. Then after the kids have had time to think it over later on if the kids try to back out they are threatened, and bullied into going into the services. It is also the corruption of the damned schools that are to blame for these things!

skippy

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And good for you to stand up. Most democrats have been against this practice, at least before they turned neolib, or whatever you want to call it. The thing is, traditional liberals, libertarians, and non-social conservatives now have a lot in common. Here is the thing. As Ron Paul has often pointed out, government has become bigger and bigger, and now we are roaming around the world, quite imperialist (which our enemies love to point out), and dictating a policy that has freedom all over it, but often is for other means.

What do I mean by this? The United States of America is losing its status as a democratic republic, and turning into an empire. We don't exactly have an emperor yet, but we have an executive that is closer and closer to becoming one every 4 years. Our troops are all over the world, fighting the roving hoards of barbarians and savages, just like the Romans did, just like the British did, etc. The US claim that it does not seek the acquisition of land when "liberating" nations no longer works after the fall of the Soviet Union. It worked well after and during WW2, but the goal now seems to be to secure unofficial alliances, control, and a puppet government in the areas that we control. These nations are usually bankrupted and re-empowered by IMF SDR loans backed by the US and NATO as well as direct foreign aid packages to keep the leaders in line.

The goal of a democratic Middle East is a dream... it would be like asking all of Europe during the Crusades to adopt U.S. style colonial governance and non-interventionist doctrines. Their religion and societal development has been stagnated, largely by the west, in what is an irony of sorts. Under the Ottoman Empire, the French had demanded so many concessions from them, that they had their own post offices throughout the Ottoman Empire. The rich cultural heritage of the Ottomans has since been largely lost, alcohol is now illegal, trade has declined outside of oil, and most people just consider Ottomans to be reclining chairs. Let's be honest here.

Now, when we look at what the US is doing now, it is mostly because 1972-73 gold crisis, the 1912 and 1913 draconian laws, WW2, and the Civil War. This completely screwed up the US as it was intended to be by the founders. However, the battle can trace itself before that if you look at tyrant presidents like Polk. Grant lamented that he felt disgraced he was forced to invade Mexico; essentially a nation with no army. After the death of Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, a lot went to hell... there was one man who saved the union, often an unsung hero. Winfield Scott served under Jefferson and Lincoln, and did save the union. One can argue it was the south's failure to go with the 13th amendment that forced the 14th.. the impeachment of Andrew Jackson was largely over his belief the 14th amendment was unconstitutional. The implications of the US Civil War and the gilded age that followed led to a collision course in WW2 that would leave the world completely changed, and much for the worse. You can blame Hitler, or you can blame Roosevelt... you can blame them all. But the wars of the 20th century are what completely destroyed the US as a republic and this has become increasingly clear.

The constant reiteration of freedom as a slogan has been used to justify all sorts of illegal incursions and invasions of sovereign countries around the world. Do the leaders of the US really believe in this crap when they say it during every speech? Sure, Bush was the worst. Watch Ron Paul's speech at Mises where he talks about how a neocon Congressman realized even the president had lied to him about Iraq... the corruption has gone all the way to the top since the JFK assassination.

There is a third party involved here, and it is increasingly obvious. No, it is not "the Jews", or something. There is a third party that seems to put a pedigree on presidential candidates years before they run for office. There is a third interest group, and its not the media, per se. It is more like a conglomeration of international corporations that got that way as a consequence of globalization following WW2. They are in constant communication with each other and they are colluding. Look at the LIBOR scandal to see how there was international interest rate price fixing. That is just the tip of some iceburg, but what those guys did was 10,000x worse than Enron. They basically changed the value of goods and commodities for tens of trillions of dollars worth of financial transactions.

We are approaching a time where the fusion of government and multinational corporate interests is destroying the U.S internally. Some say this is because we hold the world reserve currency now. Too much is for sale. Either way, going to a ballot box once every 2-4 years will never mean you are free. Remember that. Freedom and liberty require daily vigilance and discipline. Community participation. This is something that this nation has been primed to avoid, at its own peril and disgrace.

True, there is an external threat. But the U.S. will never be destroyed from an outside force. If we are to go down, we will do it ourselves. And even our enemies know this to be true.

As far as G.W. Bush, it is quite certain, that the events of September 11, 2001 could have been very likely avoided had he not won election. He was not qualified for this office and he had too many Vietnam architects in his cabinet. He assembled a war cabinet before there was a war. That's not blind luck. That's called policy shift.

good point

good point

Unless someone is threatening you, your family,

your loved ones, or your freedom killing others is simply wrong. Folks who sign up to be killers have some serious moral issues. A few minutes of thought and some research on the Internet is way too easy these days. There is no excuse for it.

sharkhearted's picture

You are wrong.

There might be some people who sign up who (and many did!!!!!) when they were told (brainwashed) that our country was attacked.

I know tons of them.

But once the dust settles and it is revealed that 9/11 was an inside job....this can be overwhelming for the people who signed up.

If there is EVER a finger to point to "killing others"....then it is the issue of DEMOCIDE (governments killing their own people).

Watch Alex Jone's TELLING and profound documentary here:

http://www.infowars.com/demand-a-real-plan-video-goes-viral-...

At the end of the day....I would rather have Chris Kyle on my side...than some jackbooted government armed bureaucrat...any day.

You want to go to the SOURCE of the problem? It is government tyranny. Has been. Always will be.

Time to defeat them.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Okay then.

I agree. I would rather have that psycho on my team. And I agree before the Internet it was easier to be brainwashed.

sharkhearted's picture

But he's not a psychopath. And brainwashing is VERY easy now.

He is a normal, vulnerable individual who is not necessarily swept up in the Great Deception. He just wants to defend his country.

Not everyone can be as ntelectually advanced as Pat Tillman.

The REAL psychopaths...are the presidents...and the secretaries of defense and state....of our country for, the most part, the past 100 years.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

He killed an estimated 160 people

and enjoyed it! His first kill was a women holding a baby in one hand and he claims he had a grenade in the other. HE ENJOYED IT. He is psychotic. He is a loser. He is a murderer. He never claimed to be remorseful. It was on mainstream news that Iraq was a big lie. He knew at some point it was a lie. He was crap.

http://www.dailypaul.com/273380/chris-kyles-first-kill-with-...

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She wasn't holding a baby,

She wasn't holding a baby, that was a CNN lie and he never said that in his book. I, for one, doubt if she had a grenade it was probably something else. He was NO hero.

It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. – Mark Twain

sharkhearted's picture

You are wasting your time upon this pawn

What about the SUPER-PSYCHOPATHIC urges of THIS president or the previous???

It takes a super-psychopath like Obama to terrorize and murder Pakistani children (who are not clutching grenades!!!)

It takes a super-super-psychopath like George Bush who would allow for the murders of millions of people and American troops....

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

sharkhearted's picture

Show me the evidence.

If what you are saying is true...then produce it.

And if you are right, I will stand corrected and eat my words.

If you are right...then I will retract.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

As you say, killing is

As you say, killing is justified to defend your country and your freedom . Defending our freedom is probably what he thought he was doing when he joined the navy. Remember the internet was in its infancy in the early 90s. The only knowledge most people had about the world was what they saw on tv.

I meant defending your loved ones.

I have far more in common with Mexicans, Bhutanese, or Peruvians than I do with many Americans. Defending a group of people that happen to live in a huge geographic area that you happen to live in also makes zero sense to me. The Internet has been available in the 21st Century. Since then there is just no excuse for it.

He joined the navy in the

He joined the navy in the early 90s and was probably trained to be a cold blooded killer almost immediately. After that his die was cast. If our country was ever invaded, like in a red dawn scenario, I would hope that you would band together with some other Americans and defend your family's freedom even if you have little in common with them. Like Thomas Jefferson said, the tree of freedom must be watered with blood. In that type of scenario we would all need to become cold blooded killers.

If someone invaded my neighborhood or

my City I could see defending it. As for this area between the Canadian border and the Mexican Border, nope. At this point Washington has tarnished the reputation of our geographic area so bad I would not really blame angry folks for wanting to do harm to 'us'.

Chris Kyle was a outspoken

Chris Kyle was a outspoken critic of obama's gun control plans. I think he was beginning to wake up to the fact that we can not blindly follow the presidents orders. If obama tries to confiscate our guns door to door, Kyle was exactly the kind of man we need on our side to protect our freedom.

sharkhearted's picture

EXACTLY

This forum is an intellectual exercise by people who have no experience in combat.

Granted: War is INSANITY

Granted: The events of 9/11 were false flags to drag the US yet into another war.

Granted: These globalists are using the US military as a pawn to gain world domination.

But also...Granted: Chris Kyle...is a pawn in the game...too.

Granted: Brainwashing and mind control...is complete and absolute.

Take all of those things...into account.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

right, let's not judge Chris

right, let's not judge Chris Kyle too harshly. He was just a pawn controlled by the evil ones

I think those guys are really disturbed.

For one, I just cannot fathom how they can kill someone who never offended them personally. Secondly, have you met one of these types? They are all wacked out. I stay away from them. I do not trust them. Their moral compass is off. They all want to go back and kill more. I am glad that we can discuss it now though. I have always thought this way but it was treasonous to say it not too long ago. The more people that denounce these folks the less kids will think it is cool to sign up. Could you imagine if the rulers could not get anyone to fight their wars? That would be tremendous. I am eagerly awaiting that day.

I agree with you on that. If

I agree with you on that. If people would quit joining the military and the government had to reinstate the draft, then I think the sheeple would get angry, wake up, and quit supporting all these war mongers for president.

Evil is not exclusive to leaders.

Followers can be evil too.

Following orders in not an excuse.

If you follow orders to kill, you are just as responsible, if not more responsible for the crime.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

I think you underestimate the

I think you underestimate the power of government brainwashing. Hitler's youth would turn in their own parents to the nazis.

sharkhearted's picture

INDEED...

And agreed.

The power of government brainwashing....and even MIND CONTROL....can NOT be underestimated.

I mean, take for example, the salient fact that the courts and a jury have concluded that Dr. Martin Luther King...was KILLEd by "the authorities".

That fact....says it all.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.