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Update: Does anyone use the DP chat?

Is it a worthy function to keep around?

Like the US Post Office cutting back Saturday delivery, the DP is facing resource constraints of its own.

I've personally never been a fan of chat, and I've rarely (if ever) stepped into the DP chatroom.

What do you guys think? Who here uses it?

Does 'chat' serve a worthy purpose?

Update - from one of my comments below:

Or should I say, problems.

1. I don't like chat. It is like a public version of IM, which is useful to send direct messages, or work on a collaborative project. But the tendency I see is for bored people to use it as a way to kill time. Does chat serve a noble purpose that I'm missing?

2. Chat is a resource drain on the DP's already limited resources. Someone has to moderate it. Inevitably, someone in there gets unruly, starts calling people names, swearing, spamming, etc and then it is "Moderators!" Time is finite, and chasing down spammers and name callers is not my idea of a productive way of spending my time, or moderators' time. I'm not interested in being a policeman, or managing the police force. We do enough of that here on the site. That is a whole 'nother realm to have to monitor.

3. I would be fine with an unmoderated chat - however, there is a liability issue for me and the DP. In such a case, I would have no idea if someone were in there plotting the next terrorist attack, or a false flag ambush, or whatever. Call me paranoid, but thoughts like that make me uncomfortable.

Overall, for me, chat is a negative good. It costs more for me to maintain it than to keep it.

And considering the resource constraints the DP is facing, and the unlikelihood that the fundraiser will be completed, I need to start paring down.

I'm trying to get a sense of who (if anyone) uses it, and of those who do use it, who are helping to support this site financially.

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I use it often

I use it often

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I rarely use the chat feature

I wouldn't miss it.

I forgot..

I had some homemade tamales in the fridge :)

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I don't use chat

After reading your points, I think it would be wise to eliminate it.

Get Rid of It

and make it Snappy

"You Cannot Stop An Idea Whose Time Has Come"

I don't use it.

Tried it once, responding to an invite. There was no conversation going, and no one responded to a hello. Then a new user popped in and the chat said I had invited them when I clearly had not. Found that feature annoying.

I Use It...

... but I understand that most people don't and if (cost wise) it has to go I wouldn't seriously mind.

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love da chat

love da chat

An official IRC?

I beleive that many people found the chat a nuisance. On slower computers lacking the ability to block the scripts it was especially painful.

Enough complaining, what next?

My personal choice would be to have an official IRC channel. Something like:

#DailyPAul

Internet Relay Chat (IRC) has stood the test of time as far as chat protocols are concerned; it has been around since 1988! IRC is free, open, and available to almost any device connected to the internet. I am pretty sure that it is the most widely used internet chat system in the world.

There are free providers, such as the sample I proveded above, as well as the ability to relatively easily host your own server. I would recommend to start an official IRC channel on a host like freenode.net just to try it out. If the free hosting does not meet one's desires then one can always move it to a private server.

What do the rest of you guys think of IRC?


I like IRC but there are some

I like IRC but there are some cons.

Anyone can join you don't have to be a member so, troll heaven.

And There aren't any mods for dp chat who actually use chat so it gets rid of peoples ego's and winging their junk around kicking and banning people like in ronpaulforums where they just like to kick and ban anyone for anything and they have their little establishment and they have a strangers not welcome vibe.

But any solution is a good solution rather than just getting rid of chat all together.

Unofficial...

would work too. Freenode has a policy that covers that. :)

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Michael Nystrom's picture

I'm down with unofficial

I don't need a new technology to learn, or another area to manage.

Sorry if I sound sour today. Not fun making these kinds of decisions. i.e. Not fun having to face the reality of the situation.

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I didn;t even realize there was a chat feature.

Maybe it simply needs to be publicized. Seems it would be more fun to debate that way than through a forum.

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I use it sometimes

I think it is a good tool to use.
When I see some friend/s online I like the ability to instantly contact them.

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Michael Nystrom's picture

Tom - you were having trouble responding to my comments

before. Can you try responding now, to see if the issue has been fixed?

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problem is now fixed

Thanks for asking Michael.

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Michael Nystrom's picture

Ok - good. Thanks Tom

Thanks for all of your contributions to the site, and the cause of Liberty.

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Thank you my friend

Big Thank you Michael for all that you do.
And congratulations on losing so much weight!
I myself need to shed a few pounds -- beer belly.
Need to walk more -- once the weather improves I will be walking miles again.

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Cyril's picture

Great feature to use once in a while

As the logs certainly show, I use it quite rarely, only when I've decided to procrastinate very thoroughly.

It's a great feature, though, and always fun to get in there once in a while. People are cool. Often surprising in a good way on the DP.

:)

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SHHHH!!! Don't tell Nystrom...

We should all go hide in the chat room, and when he comes to the forum it will be empty, and then he'll go look for us and when he comes into the chat room we can all jump out and yell "SURPRISE!"
It'll be the best internet prank ever...
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deacon's picture

question about the chat feature

if the ones who don't use it turn it off
from their account page,would that free up resources
for the DP?
i use the private one every once in a while,and i like it
but have not used the other chat
deacon

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Michael Nystrom's picture

The problem with chat, from my perspective

Or should I say, problems.

1. I don't like chat. It is like a public version of IM, which is useful to send direct messages, or work on a collaborative project. But the tendency I see is for bored people to use it as a way to kill time. Does chat have a noble cause that I'm missing?

2. Chat is a resource drain on the DP's limited resources. Someone has to moderate it. Inevitably, someone in there gets unruly, starts calling people names, swearing, spamming, etc and then it is "Moderators!" Time is finite, and chasing down spammers and name callers is not my idea of a productive way of spending my time, or moderators' time. I'm not interested in being a policeman, or managing the police force. We do enough of that here on the site. That is a whole 'nother realm to have to monitor.

3. I would be fine with an unmoderated chat - however, there is a liability issue for me and the DP. In such a case, I would have no idea if someone were in there plotting the next terrorist attack, or a false flag ambush, or whatever. Call me paranoid, but thoughts like that make me uncomfortable.

Overall, for me, chat is a negative good. It costs more for me to maintain it than to keep it.

And considering the resource constraints the DP is facing, and the unlikelihood that the fundraiser will be completed, I need to start paring down.

I'm trying to get a sense of who (if anyone) uses it, and of those who do use it, who are helping to support this site financially.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.
deacon's picture

understood completely

i have been a mod in other chat rooms,and know how
draining and consuming it can be
i have never used the chat,but have used the IM (PM)
it is faster and helps air our personal matters that would otherwise
be aired in the public forum
but by resources are you talking the wide brush approach,meaning
people,money and computer wise?
I have one wore thing,we here are going to be sending something
out to help with financial aspect,but will you do me a favor,and save your money by not sending a post card of thanks?
I didn't want to ask this here out in the open,really don't like others knowing what i do
than you
wayne

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

If you are going to eliminate chat

Get a better private messaging system in place

Create a network..

on one of the free browser-based instant messengers.

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I use the chat every day and

I use the chat every day or at least every couple of days and it is a great place for heated debates in real time. (while not by voice which is sometimes even harder) Its like a forum at hyperspeed. And nobody can talk over you and you can block those who bother you. Plus we have alot of fun in the dp chat. I'm surprised more people do not use it. Around nighttime we usually get 15-20 people on though its calm usually through the work hours.

I have been using the chat for almost a year and a half now and It's enjoyable being able to chat with daily paulers.

I hope you consider keeping the chat alive and well.

Best regards no matter what you decide.

Luna

I love the chat. Awesome people!

I would miss the chat. There's great people. The people in the chat is much more active and around and not a forum poster. I assume as admin there are a chat log? If you have time take a look in the chat log, a productive chat.

As posters below observed

group chat format does not allow for informative and thoughtful arguments. It is a real time thingy - be fast and be short. Attention span is not required. Good for pushing bullet point slogans or to say something personal like "Hello, I have not seen you since Friday.."