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The "Everything They Taught You In School Was A Lie" statement is false.

Whenever I hear this statement I can't help to think how disheartening it sounds. Why do truthers etc. use this line when it is clearly wrong? It is by far to broad of statement. Please help me answer some of these following questions.

1. Math- 2+2=4 many complicated maths can be tested and proven. Perhaps the methods of problem solving for the public are intentionally limited? But it still doesn't make it a lie. Pleas give evidence to suggest tampering of math.

2. Science- physical science and physics- once again we have a lot of empirical data to support these fields. Now, to a certain degree Einsteins theory of relativity, quantum mechanics, and other advanced theories lack any real empirical evidence. Could it be that some of these theories are designed to mislead the true nature of the universe?
please explain.

Climate change science has been found to be manipulated, so there are fields in science which information is altered. But the basic understanding of the systems of our world seem to be truthful. What do you think?

3. History- Now this seems to be where the most deception is located. We know that history classes omit all the information of back door deals and banker investments(on both sides of wars etc.), false-flags, the things that go on behind the scenes. But I seem to find more omissions than actual rewrites. Please explain.

If you have any information in these fields of massive omisions or false information other than history and/or economics please let me know. Please also let me know if Psychology field is one big lie or Philosophy. Thanks

How do you know you aren't learning something that is intentionally wrong? Some people would just give up that way. To say that everything you learned in school was a lie is actually self-defeatist.

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Cyril's picture

Did they teach you this way to address your law makers

Did they teach you this way to address your law makers and regulators in school:

http://www.dailypaul.com/274359/frederic-bastiats-petition-f...

?

If this can be any (bitter) consolation: they didn't, for me, either.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Another thing they taught in school was...

...was "figure of speech."

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"Raining cats and dogs" is BS too

When people say it's "Raining cats and dogs" it's totally wrong, because nothing but water comes down and there are no animals falling from the clouds.

We got to get this stuff straight lest the world goes insane!

Currently consuming: Gatto: "Underground history of education..", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football

Grading your paper, I give you a C-

Whenever I hear this statement I can't help to think how disheartening it sounds. Why do truthers etc. (superfluous use of "etc." without at least two other items) use this line when it is clearly wrong? It is by far to broad of statement. Please help me answer some of these following questions.

1. Math- 2+2=4 many complicated maths math problems can be tested and proven. Perhaps the methods of problem solving for the public are intentionally limited? But it still doesn't make it a lie. Pleas Please give evidence to that suggest tampering of math.

2. Science- physical science and physics- once again we have a lot of empirical data to support these fields. Now, to a certain degree Einsteins theory Einstein's theories of relativity, quantum mechanics, and other advanced theories lack any real empirical evidence. Could it be that some of these theories are designed to mislead the true nature of the universe?
please Please explain.

Climate change science has been found to be manipulated, so there are fields in science in which information is altered. But the basic understanding of the systems of our world seems to be truthful. What do you think?

3. History- Now this seems to be where the most deception is located. We know that history classes omit all the information of back door deals and banker investments(on both sides of wars etc.), false-flags, the and other things that go on behind the scenes. But I seem to find more omissions than actual rewrites. Please explain.

If you have any information in these fields of massive omisions or false information other than history and/or economics, please let me know. Please also let me know if Psychology field is one big lie or Philosophy the fields of Psychology and/or Philosophy are one big lie. Thanks.

How do you know you aren't learning something that is intentionally wrong? Some people would just give up that way. To say that everything you learned in school was a lie is actually self-defeatist defeating.

In grading your effort, I concentrated on grammar and sentence structure. There is also some improvement needed in composition in order to better make your point, but we'll save that for the next lesson.

Seriously though, you do make a point. Using absolute statements to describe complex issues is rarely productive.

Dear Professor, Would you

Dear Professor,

Would you like that in MLA or APA format? LOL

It is somewhat of a reprieve for me to NOT write in an essay style format. You should see some of my sentences and formatting in a live chat room :). I call it casual writing. Perhaps I can chalk it up to laziness or liberty. I guess it depends if I simply want to whip up a discussion or present a more formal argument. English is my minor and the fewer people that remember this little tidbit, the more that I can express myself without having to dot every "I" and cross every "T".

Well MLA or APA?

Acronyms, argh! The province of bureaucrats and the tyrants they serve! I have no idea what those mean, and no desire to either!

Still, you've redeemed yourself quite well with that response, with two caveats: 1) the DP ain't no chat room, and 2) consider that when writing about education, you may want to strut your stuff with proper grammar.

I would say that while

I would say that while technically it is true that not "everything" we were taught in school was a lie, I do believe that the conclusions that we were taught, as a result of the omissions and dubious facts we were presented in school are all lies.

The nature of your government is a lie. The nature of your status as a human being is a lie. The limits of what is possible with technology is a lie. Psychology is a psudo-science propaganda tool for social engineering. Philosophy and free thinking are dangerous and therefore must be tempered by moral relativism.... which is taught with exeptional proficiency.

So, in the aggregate, when all the omissions and mis or faulse information is taken together, NONE of the possible logical conclusions about the nature of our world, ourselves, or the 3 - 4 thousand year history of our cultures are, if not actual lies, serious and intentional missunderstandings.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

Yes

I agree.

"Spelling"
"Magic"
"Magistrate"

All words that have their roots in ancient history, when only the Ruling Class could read and write. The "Laws" they write are merely an extension of this voodoo mind trick.

http://www.gnosticmedia.com/jose-barrera-interview-pt-2-supe...

Oops

I meant to say ALL instead of NONE?

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

A more accurate statement would be...

"Nothing is taught in school."

The system of teaching utilized in modern public schools has been proven time and again to be counter-intuitive to the natural learning patterns of the human brain.

It is designed that way so that nothing is remembered but false generalities. Sure, the math and science you're "taught" is true, but you're not actually supposed to retain it. History and Social Studies, however, are meant to condition your emotions, prejudices, and reason toward a desired personality.

Psychology and Philosophy? What school did you go to? Those subjects would require thinking.

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My wife was taken out of school in the third grade and never received any other type of education. She's the smartest and most reasonable person I know.

We were taught 'duck and cover' in grade school.

Way back, when the dinosaurs roamed the land. Yeah, that's right, back in the early 1960's. At school our teachers taught us to duck under our desks and cover our heads with our hands and arms. This was to protect ourselves from the nuclear blast which was going to happen any second. Much like the imminent attack by terrorists of today, the evil communists of Russia and Cuba of the 1960's were going to attack us with nuclear bombs, and the only way we could save our selves was to climb under our desks upon our teachers command. This would save us.

Of course we were not brainwashed. Our teachers, parents and political leaders would not, nay, could not lie to us. It was unthinkable to even question these authority figures.

As someone that works at a University, the educational system has degenerated, like the other industries, into dictatorial administration. Football is much more important than academics, even at 'research' Universities.

This got me in trouble in kindergarten

I started school 1969 (at age 4) and evidently wasn't 'trained' well enough yet to take blind orders without a logic behind them. (still don't!) During the first week, we had a 'duck and cover' drill. The teacher explained what to do and everyone else got under their desks. Apparently (I don't remember the event but I've been told), I stayed standing and asked what good that would do. The teacher went back and forth with me a little trying to placate me into complying but I supposedly asked her if she would jump off a bridge if someone told her too. (very common question in our house) She got mad and sent me to the principle's office. When my parents arrived, I had already received a spanking for being disrespectful (parochial school) and he had to explain how his flawed logic came off to a 4 year old. My dad wasn't too happy.

Things were always different for me in school. :P

You had spanking, we had the steel thimble, LOL

I remember my 4th grade teacher at our public school, who would walk up the class room isles at study time. She wore a steel thimble on her middle finger. She would walk up just behind our desks, pause looking over our shoulder and if we weren't doing what she wanted, she would snap us hard on the back of the head with that thimble. No one screwed around in her class. LOL

"Everything They Taught You In School Was A Lie"

Its just a given that, its a general statement made to entice some that, 'things are not right'. That the educational system has failed, in the general sense of 'political reality', and subsequently that that learning which you received, should be questioned.

In simple words, just a general thought man. A rallying call, if you will.

Livin' in the twilight zone.. beep beep

Simplicity is good, over-simplicity, not.

Where did the interpretation get lost?
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edit: You have no argument.. if you are attempting to discredit those wanting to know. Or, think that those wanting to know are of an inferior intelligence than say, 'the others'? And, I don't seek credibility, but if it happens, it happens.

2+2

2+2=4 is conditionally true.

For K-12 and even college for non-math majors, it is implicitly true; they never tell you about the conditional part that forms the basis of how 2 and 4 are defined. There are a group of axioms that belong to ZF Set Theory : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFC

A mathematician who rejects ZFC (yes, they do exist) cannot use 2 or 4 without finding another way to define these numbers. When you write '4', they may ask 'four of what'?

If someone were to discover a contradiction in ZFC, then all the math we were taught in school would be wrong.

The geometry we were taught in school is Euclidean Geometry. There are other flavors that have the potential to wreck all the proofs we did back in grade school.

There are also different levels of infinity, some more infinite than others.

i dont think its intentional deception

I can see the case for teaching math the way we do. The rules, symbols, and conventions are necessary because there is an existing language through which mathematical ideas are expressed. Same with grammar.

With science and history there is too much emphasis on "facts" and not enough qualification for statements. Part of this has to do with multiple choice and standardized testing.

For example, how many planets are in our solar system?

Ten years ago a first grader regurgitates 9 and is correct. Somewhere along the way pluto was stripped of its planet status so now the correct answer is 8 on the exam.

The truly correct answer would be along the lines of to this day we have discovered 9 objects orbiting the sun that are large enough to be rounded by their own gravity, but not large enough to sustain a fusion reaction of their own...

Of course, this answer doesn't neatly fit into the black-and-white, A-B-or-C format. Of course, teaching in these terms is a disservice to critical thinking and makes the masses easier to manipulate.

Coincidentally, this plays into the left vs right mentality that is skull fucking our country

Everything means 100% , so I agree. "99.99999% of what they

taught you in school is a LIE"

8)

they did get the 2+2 thingy correct after all.

It was the avowed purpose of those reformers who took over

the education system to condition children to be good citizens. To them that meant obedient citizens, not thinking, knowledgeable citizens.

Knowledge is easily manipulated for political purposes, and certainly education has been successful in lowering standards so that now many high school graduates can barely read at an 8th grade level.

It was no accident that one of the planks in The Communist Manifesto was government control of the education system.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

I ain't a truther, but really

The education system has little meaning to real life.

For the average Joe, math is a useless subject.

You don't need to learn binary to run software, you use a computer. If you need to make a commonplace math computation you use a calculator.

The only math classes I enjoyed were Probability and Statistics (since it had real life practical applications I use to this day), and advanced Geometry (which dealt almost entirely with proofs and theorems).

Anthropology/history is a joke. One teacher is telling you that Egyptians could not have possibly sailed to the American continent, then next class a teacher is telling you that monkeys colonized South America by sailing across the Atlantic Ocean on makeshift rafts (true story - look it up).

Any philosophy without practical real-world application is useless. You may as well step in front of a bus for all the good it will do you. At least 90% of philosophy has no real-world application.
"I think, therefore I am" has got to be the most arrogant, ego-masturbatory statements ever uttered. Not to mention it's logically unsound in 5 different ways.

Your comment about science is wrong since most truthers I have conversed with support hard science and use it in their theories of different events. It's government whitewashes that usually ignore science (take the Kennedy assassination for one)

Almost 90% of Americans believe there was a conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy.

That pretty much covers it.

Any other questions Blueshift?

Education is neither fact nor lie. It's a quest.

I think the poster below me really gets to the crux of the sort of disagreement we're having here with the idea of the relativity of right and wrong.

Education isn't so much about facts and lies; education is about a quest toward what is more right than we were before.

Your first point about math is a good start. Two doesn't mean anything but the symbol we decided as a shorthand for one thing and another thing. Two plus two just equals four because that's the definitions we put on those actual numbers of things or the concepts of the actual numbers of things. Like "elephant" means a big grayish mammal with a trunk and ears that radiate heat. The equation is true because it is only really a symbolic expression of tally marks. It can't be a lie. Doesn't mean someone can't call it a lie. They can refuse to participate in holding in common symbolic expression for more efficiency. They can even call it "collectivism" to participate in a collective symbology.

Science is by its very nature a quest. Any scientist who claims to have it all figured out is going to wake up the next day with a loaded inbox. I've certainly seen a vibe in many science books that goes too far in this direction, in my opinion. My take on it is that the textbook editors are trying to make it all seem easier than it is. I think they do a disservice to kids because that vibe removes the exciting parts -- the unknowns, the quest. I'd love to see half of those sidebars devoted to what we don't know and alternative theories that may be in the hinterlands of science today.

On the global warming issue, I'll just relate an experience from last week. I was subbing for my son's science teacher just for one class. He had a video on global warming playing when I came in. We all watched and it was clearly pronouncing global warming a human caused trend. My son had told me that this teacher was teaching along these lines. The video was over before the class ended, so I asked for a show of hands. Three students believed global warming was primarily human caused. Two believe it was definitely not human caused. The majority of the kids said they weren't sure. I asked a couple of them to tell us why they weren't sure. They said things like, "I hear conflicting evidence", "I've heard experts on both sides", and "I just can't make up my mind." This class of eighth graders was not being lied to by their teacher or taught to buy that authority's line. The teacher had a point of view; he stated it; he taught it. I assume that he assumes he's not the only data point in his students' education. My son says they've had a bit of classroom debate on the subject.

I wonder if these folks who call such stuff lies are just fearful of their own -- and by extension, everyone else's -- lack of critical thinking. If eighth graders, who have been in the public school system for the whole ride, can do it without blinking an eye, I'm pretty certain it's not a big threat. I'm pretty certain they learned a lot about the basis and expertise of the climate scientists who agree that global warming is largely human caused. They should. The process of doing so can only make it easier to understand and test counter arguments. Learning is incremental. And to learn one way of thinking is the absolute opposite of brainwashing.

History, again the facts of what happened when and who did it are pretty banal, at least once you get into the printing press age. The tricky bits are about why and what were the results. There's no reason to believe that knowing the what/when/who hurts your ability to re-investigate the why/results. In fact, you kinda better learn the former. Knowing one version of the why/results in no way precludes you from coming to believe alternative whys and results. I would argue that it whets the appetite. Again, what some here call brainwashing, I argue is learning one way of thinking. It's pretty smart to understand the conventional approach to a historical event before you go off believing some alternative history.

I would just add that history, like most fields of inquiry, isn't some static thing. We take different lessons and interpret events differently, partly, depending on what we are most interested in and in need of understanding in our current cultural milieu. The textbooks thirty years ago may have been more about kings and lords and dates, while the textbooks today attempt to include more information about the everyday life of everyday people. It's not some set of facts or lies. Again, it's a quest for deeper understanding of what came before.

On your other question, I can only speak to economics. I took a minor and was taught, as near as I can remember, a pretty straight Keynesian approach. I never did anything more with this minor or my interest. Never read a jot of tittle about Austrian economics. But when I was watching the Rep. debates last year and the candidates I liked kept getting crossed off my list and I finally had to research Paul, I tackled one of his off-the-reservation economic ideas first. Despite that I had only been "brainwashed" in my economics classes, I was able, in short order, to get what he was saying, adjust my thinking and within a few hours of research completely change my mind. I doubt I could have done that so quickly if I hadn't had that basis of what others call brainwashing.

A good education is available everywhere. Even in some of our country's worst schools. Even amid simplistic textbooks and from biased teachers and groupthink, which is part of human nature, not somebody else's agenda, and rears its head everywhere -- even on the DP.

It's not about right and wrong. Education is a quest. The minute you think you've got it all figure out, you know you've settled. There will always be unknown falsehoods and unknowable truths. The process of education in a slow grind toward diminishing both.

Joη's picture

Relativity of Wrong

http://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm

One needn't disregard "increasingly correct" models as "incorrect" models.

"You underestimate the character of man." | "So be off now, and set about it." | Up for a game?

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I don't understand completely why this was down voted. It was a legitimate inquiry into how much corruption there is in Academia. I also wanted to make it clear that not everything was a lie that we have learned. This type of discussion gives credit to the argument of falsehoods and deception in the educational system and Ill tell you why. People will discredit those who claim that everything is a lie or those who sensationalize conspiracies. Conspiracies are extreme enough as it is, all you do by sensationalizing information is discredit yourself and the truth as a whole. In my opinion we have blind followers in the "truth" movement. They left there 2 party camp only to sit cozy in another camp without using reason and logic. Once again they become biased and close minded. This is advice to anyone listening out there: if your personal journey for the truth ends at Alex Jones or at any source, then your primed and ready for being brainwashed.

Seriously there is a large bulk of supposed "awake" people who are puppits.

And for all those who helped me and made good efforts trying to answer the questions i presented, thankyou

It may not all be a lie

But it is done as poorly as possible. I now 1st graders getting 100's in reading that do not know how to read in one school. I know a lot of 5th and 6th graders who can barley read or do basic math, and some that can not do any reading or math.
My mom is a 6th grade teacher at the local christian school and every year she has to re teach kids reading and math because they were never taught phonics, or never memorized their multiplication tables.
Personally I feel that private schools are far better than public schools but they are flawed in that most of them have taken the model that the public school has given and tried to do their best with it instead of saying our goal is ... and we feel we can do that best by ... I guess what I am saying is that if the private schools had specific goals (other than all the kids pass or get good grades) and realistic goals (most kids are going to grow up and get married, get jobs, have saving, invest, have homes, kids, be productive members of society, you know educate for that) and then made their curriculum based on those goals it would immediately change how things are taught.
For example take biology, when I was in school I learned about cells, and parts of cells, and animal cells, and plant cells, and to this day I know nothing about cells even though I got an A in the class. This isnt to say biology is a bad class but that they are starting on the wrong end of the thing. Cells were not discovered and studied until the 19th century, but biology is the oldest science we have, but we used to call it agriculture. Agriculture teaches biology with the plants and how they grow, physics in how you irrigate, chemistry in the fertilizer, biology again when you discuss how the body uses the food and its relevant. Relevance in school is at an all time low, I would love for a school to sit down and figure out how to be relevant to young people, and their lives.

Maths? Are you American?

Just curious. Friends in Ireland and England call math and arithmetic "Maths"....or was it just a typo?

I'm American but perhaps the

I'm American but perhaps the reason I use that word is because of talking to non-Americans. Sometimes things rub off on you.

There are lies wrapped up in each of those lessons

My son just did a worksheet where he had to figure out what time some pictures of clocks were displaying. He has trouble transitioning so going through and doing all the hours, then going through and doing all the minutes is how I had him do it. If he's in a class where the teachers insist he do it like everyone else, therein lies the lie, that his need to do things differently is a much huger obstacle to his success than it really is.

Lies can be taught through true material.

And I'm not saying all teachers would not permit him to do it how he needs to. But, after excusing my laziness in example-picking, I'd direct you to my main point -- that schooling convinces too many people they are incompetent and can't make it and need a government for their safety net.

When I talk about the masses, I don't call them stupid. I say some have been convinced they are stupid and others conditioned not to think. The vast majority of people are capable of great competence, they've just been intensively taught one path that involves not using it.

Defend Liberty!

I can't BELIEVE you baited me into responding...

ARE Whales and Dolphins are descendents of quadrupeds over millions of years???

Sure they are! Let's watch HOW we know they are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umBo4m8CChA

Let's see...Government-funded academia found some bones in the dirt, from something that died(that's all they know, it died!); but they have NO EVIDENCE that those bones had ANY kids, especially ones that had lost genetic information(or "suffered"/endured a beneficial mutation) over millions of years(which is...wait for it...the opposite of evolution)

Then a PROFITABLE textbook company came along, and hired an artist, with those profits they made from all their government(tax-based) customers(because parents don't sit on textbook committees, care what is going on, nor do they run for school board)...and that hired someone drew pretty pictures for STUDENTS to look at, to go along with their fairy tale - that still pushes the LIE "God didn't CREATE", and make Jesus into a liar, since he quotes the book of Genesis 25 times!

Evolution theory is...tax-supported RELIGION...period! It's used in a communist takeover, to REMOVE the authority of a Creator over government, and the governed! WAKE UP PEOPLE!

As far as teaching origins go...in PUBLIC schools...I say teach both, or tech NEITHER...

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there is no room for teaching myths in school

Religious "faith-based" or otherwise. the problem is instead of reading Darwin's book and critically addressing the claims and evaluating his use of the scientific process to draw reasonable conclusions, we just teach "facts" without qualifications in order for simplification.

Btw i think evolution is completely reasonable and creationism as wholly inadequate and irrational

parents do...

Parents do sit on the committees that help choose textbooks in many communities. If your school district doesn't have parental involvement in textbook selection, you can initiate that. It's actually pretty common. Parents do run for school boards. In fact, parents make up the bulk of those sitting on our nation's school boards. Where are you getting your information, Patriots?

Selection?

The "Selection" of textbooks that will fall in line with the stadardized test required is as ridiculous as saying we had a Selection on election day. The School boards are going to do nothing to disturb funding, i don't care who's on it.