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The "Everything They Taught You In School Was A Lie" statement is false.

Whenever I hear this statement I can't help to think how disheartening it sounds. Why do truthers etc. use this line when it is clearly wrong? It is by far to broad of statement. Please help me answer some of these following questions.

1. Math- 2+2=4 many complicated maths can be tested and proven. Perhaps the methods of problem solving for the public are intentionally limited? But it still doesn't make it a lie. Pleas give evidence to suggest tampering of math.

2. Science- physical science and physics- once again we have a lot of empirical data to support these fields. Now, to a certain degree Einsteins theory of relativity, quantum mechanics, and other advanced theories lack any real empirical evidence. Could it be that some of these theories are designed to mislead the true nature of the universe?
please explain.

Climate change science has been found to be manipulated, so there are fields in science which information is altered. But the basic understanding of the systems of our world seem to be truthful. What do you think?

3. History- Now this seems to be where the most deception is located. We know that history classes omit all the information of back door deals and banker investments(on both sides of wars etc.), false-flags, the things that go on behind the scenes. But I seem to find more omissions than actual rewrites. Please explain.

If you have any information in these fields of massive omisions or false information other than history and/or economics please let me know. Please also let me know if Psychology field is one big lie or Philosophy. Thanks

How do you know you aren't learning something that is intentionally wrong? Some people would just give up that way. To say that everything you learned in school was a lie is actually self-defeatist.



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Are you saying your beef is

Are you saying your beef is with standardized tests that require a knowledge set that's outside the textbooks you would pick?

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have an explanation for vestigial hip bones in sea mammals?

A bit more is known about dolphins & their bones than just that "they died", being a still living species and all.

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acoording to the source who brought it to my attention...

...certain muscles attached to them bones make them necessary for reproduction and childbirth....

That makes more sense to me then "they are legs that receded from their original use over millions of years"; that fairly tales is much harder to prove...that's why communist anti-God government-funded propaganda is employed to brainwash the kids "God ain't great, God ain't active, if God cranked it up then He walked away from it....so...man is god now; man's intellect is supreme, moral relativism reigns, there are no moral absolutes, there is NO single Supreme Being that mankind or government is accountable to; but if there is...it's the god you make up in your own mind, that excuses all your thoughts, words, and deeds and NEVER sends anyone to hell!"

Satan and his angels know better WHOM has power and dominion, and they know the Creator is to be REVERENCED!!!

America was a better nation when we had their attitude and understanding!

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how come they're mammals when everyone else underwater's a fish?

Why do their fetuses grow whiskers?
Why do their fetuses begin (pg 2) growing hind legs (pg 449)?
How else can one explain whale avatism?
Why do their lungs breathe surface air like land mammals and unlike all the other fish underwater?
Why do they have 3-boned ears like land mammals and unlike fish?

Why do they birth their young, like land mammals, instead of laying egg clutches, or birthing swarms, like fish? And they need these hip bones for that, which mammals have, and fish don't?

God wouldn't give you a brain and then insist you forgo its use.

Please look up some transitional fossils to see evidence and try to appreciate the magnitude of time involved for changes to take place.

"You underestimate the character of man." | "So be off now, and set about it." | Up for a game?

"time" is the deity of the evolutionist...

...that is my clear bias....

Fact is, BOTH theories are religious and faith-based...

Look up Kent Hovind's four basic questions about life, and see how creationists and evolutionists answer them differently...

Now, recently it's been reported that the OLD ancestral tree of human evolution has been replaced once again....will it ever STOP?

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=211131217475&t...

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would you prefer models not improve given better data?

this isn't a refutation. Science doesn't claim its models are infallible from conception. Please read the relativity of wrong, or listen to someone on youtube summarize it for you.

No other model has 1 trillionth the explanatory power of evolution. Conversely, criticisms of Hovind.

The article your audio references is here, which brings up a proto-mammal found near the origin of the mammal branch of the tree of life. They later reference how the "previous evolutionary tree was incorrect", as if it's another "gotchya!". Do you know how many organisms there are? How many there were? Is your hesitation with evolution that it hasn't infallibly placed every insect, bacterium, protozoa, fungus, bird, grizzly, dimetridon, chicken, and turtle in the tree of life? Would you accept it even if one could?

Better data improves models. I'm sorry you misinterpret this as reason to discredit one's ability to come to conclusions based on observations.

Y'know, what if a religious message, like "speak in defense for those who cannot speak for themselves" didn't always refer to people? What if, in this age, new, revelatory truths that will advance civilization to new levels are harder to find, and seemingly "can't speak for themselves"? Are there certain ideas that, for people our shape and size, seem ludicrous on their face and indefensible, but in fact are nonetheless true and govern a majority of what is seen? That "turn the other cheek" and keep on working even if we decry them?

It may plainly be "easier" to not understand something, but the long term cost is a loss of understanding that would minimize future suffering. For example, evolution explains much about medicine and nutrition. Insisting it is false will serve only to turn potentially bright minds away from a better future for all of us, which for all metaphorical purposes, is a realistic meaning for heaven.

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Well, I'll only talk about

Well, I'll only talk about #3, history, since I majored in it and it was my favorite subject all the way into adulthood. All I have to mention is 4 presidents who are cast in probably a better light than any other president in most school textbooks: Lincoln, Ted Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, and FDR. Really, progressivism as a whole is represented in the best light possible in the vast majority of textbooks.

This is why most people pretending to be smart will answer "Lincoln" or "FDR" when you ask them who they think the best president in history was. The truth about those two tyrants was completely hidden from them.

And I had no clue what the Federal Reserve was until like 3 years ago.

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Imagine you are the government

and have at your disposal the means to "educate" the masses. Imagine you are self-serving and greedy and consider yourself above the plebians. What would you teach them?

Independent critical thinking skills?

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Education is false

The fact is, kids are not educated any more, they are brainwashed. The whole idea of education is to not only to teach facts, but to teach one to think, and use logic. Reading, being the basis of learning, is not stressed as it should be, and what students read is carefully chosen and skewed toward what TPTB want you to think. Young people cant even count change anymore without a calculator, write without spellcheck, etc.
The primary reason for education these days is to teach conformity, assimilation, and subjugation.

Get rid of DOE, return schools to the states, problem solved.

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Can't tell time without a digital clock and can't read a real map!

skippy

So true.

I went to public school, and many of my peers graduated without being able to read, spell, or do basic math….but we could all quote pro-government propaganda by heart.

Thank god I woke up.

I got into it with a teacher in front of 20 some people once

The topic was generally that kids can learn better and faster online than at school. School is just for the social interaction lessons.

I compared my obviously random guess of her methods to one of my great teachers when I attended that school. He taught me trig, calc, probability, 2 years of both electronics and physics. The whole time we got the real history that accompanies these subjects.

At one point, I made the off handed statement that everything taught in school is taught wrong. (slightly different from the OP) She scoffed at that and I had to back it up so I said to pick any two subjects and I would tell her exactly how it was wrong. (Keep in mind that our audience was 60% awake and 20% each of waking and asleep)

She mentioned the civil war and I tore that one up. The listeners were all in agreement and she felt very intimidated. So then she picks physics.

Cringing at this one, I finally reiterated the challenge exactly. I then said that while the principles and formulas are indeed an exact science and barring some new discovery, they will be taught identically forever, the way it is taught to be used and applied is completely wrong. Students are taught ideal world and never realistically. They are shown what can't be done and the idea of creativity and pushing the limits is never allowed. Even the methods for memorizing them (via application, not rote memorization) is completely wrong. Then I dropped the bomb. I said what would you say if you had a student argue that some accepted principle actually worked a different way.

Of course she jumped on that and proceeded to show off her teaching skills in persuading the child towards learning the true facts. She was so proud that I really hated to kill her buzz but I simply said that every major breakthrough in science thinking began as some youth with a crazy concept that was somehow fostered into an adult experiment.

Needless to say, the audience loved that one and to this day she and her mother (present) talk bad of me every chance they get. ROFLMAO

Not everything was a lie...

but as you grow older and begin to realize that some of it was lies, and you begin to question everything that was taught. For example - Whether you consider our nationalistic skewed view of U.S. history, the Keynesian only economics lessons, or the marijuana will make you hallucinate and lead to insanity - all of these examples lead us down a slippery slope. Once you begin to learn the truth about these issues, you begin to doubt everything that you learned, and in some cases, this can be dangerous, especially to curious youth.

For example, consider a student that was taught the horrific effects of marijuana. Yet, that student tries marijuana and experiences effects quite different than the health teacher explained. The student may think, "Hey, they lied to me about this, maybe they also lied about (fill in dangerous substance here)." In this situation, of course the government is still happy, because they will continue to support the prison complex when the "War on Drugs" one day finds this person.

However, this should not be the basis of education. Education should be about learning facts and developing critical thinking skills. You are not learning when you don't even know if the "teachings" are fact. That is why it is important that we arm ourselves and our children with critical thinking skills. If critical thinking is not taught in school, it must be taught at home - only then will more people begin to see the bs taught in our schools today.

He who controls the past, controls the future

Lies about History are the most important and the most common. Pressure groups, through the mechanism of public schools and text book committees, effectively suppress inconvenient information and promote (or create out of whole cloth) positive details.

Read (or listen to) "Lies My Teacher Told Me," a wonderful overview of the whole corrupt process, written by a history professor.

Every nation's government tries to rewrite the past in their favor. Our government has tried (and by and large succeeded), the Japanese, the Israeli's, ....even the ancient Aztecs, when they reached a certain level of power, had hundreds of years of historical records burned for the express purpose of hiding from their people the humble beginnings of their civilization in order to promote an an exalted vision of themselves....sort of like what our government does with 'American Exceptionalism.'

The teaching of philosophy is full of sophists, economics is full of doublethink. Keynesian Economics is still the gospel, though it has demonstrably failed repeatedly to either predict or control what it claims to predict and control.

So, yes, much of what is taught in high school and college is false.

When is the last time you were in a school?

2+2=4 ONLY if everyone in the group agrees it does.
http://teachkristen.blogspot.com/2008/04/consensus-is-answer...
"The presenters focused on "Consensus is the Answer Key" for this workshop. It is a classroom dynamic whereby students get feedback on solutions from classroom discussion and agreement, not from answers in the back of the book or from the teacher. These "expert" sources of informations are removed. Instead, students use their own logic, creativity, communication, and collaboration skills to solve problems. (Do you smell constructivism?...) To set up this sort of classroom culture students are given problems to solve. They work on the problems individually or collaboratively. Then students discuss their processes and solutions with classmates. Using logic, questioning, and explanation, students come to consensus on the correct answer."

How you spell a word is now a matter of opinion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventive_spelling Teachers do not put red marks on papers to mark errors - bad for the child's "self esteem."

Science... The model they use of the Universe is so faulty that they keep having to make up stuff to "explain it." Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf6Ofw-Ckb8

As for psychology, please watch "The Marketing of Madness."

While there are a few facts still being taught in schools, they have become an indoctrination system where "fitting in" and "feeling good" are the goals, not education.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

I understand you're being a

I understand you're being a tad facetious. But I can tell you that in our district, where my son is in middle school and were I occasionally sub, there's no consensus focus even about solving quadratic equations, let alone 2 + 2. Incorrectly spelled words are not only circled in red, but spelling tests are still in vogue.

In geometry, my son's teacher did have have the students do a bit of what it appears you're deriding. Rather than have the kids simply memorize some of Euclid's formulas, he gave them the geometric problems and asked them to reason -- as Euclid did -- their way from what they already knew to more complex applications that required extensions of the proofs they'd already learned. I thought this was awesome. It's teaching a man to fish sort of learning.

This Explains

why so many people still believe that we can elect our way out of this mess. They have been taught forever that elections are the solution to bad government and even though they saw what happened with Ron Paul and the RNC they STILL can't do a paradigm shift mentally and get off it and move on to other methods of taking back the country. It bugs me when people here are always stuck on who to vote for in 2016 instead of figuring out a different way to think about the whole big picture. This teacher explained why that is perfectly! Thanks for the post Fishy!

skippy

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Curiosity, part III (the end)

Finally (regarding History, again):

how many have ever heard - in high school or first year of college, okay, tops - of Edmund Burke's criticism of the French revolution ?

Irrelevant? Not quite:

Burke was one of the early supporters for the American independence.

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Curiosity, part II

For scientists/engineers:

who had heard of Godel's incompleteness theorems BY THE END of their Bachelor of Science curriculum (whichever it is that requires some post-high school maths, usually by the age of 20 or 21)

?

Just that.

Masters diplomas and above, PhD, etc, do NOT count (it'd be like asking if a butcher knows that knives exist, aside forks and spoons).

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Curiosity

Side note (for all, not just the OP):

I'd be curious to hear about a very simple poll:

how many of you guys have had if only a single public school class (not even a semester, but, say, a 8 hours commentary with the teacher - spanning several days of course - plus an individual mandatory expose) on...

... the U.S. Constitution alone, oh, and BEFORE the age of 18

?

Just that.

Just curious/interested.

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Required here

My son's eighth grade class just completed a semester civics course, which covered the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Articles of Confederation. The final paper required the application of those documents to a current controversial issue. All students in our district are required to take the course. The second semester is state history and deals with our state's founding documents and history.

My son loved the class and quickly became known as both the most informed and the only Ron Paul kid in the class. (He convinced a couple others before the election.) When I met the teacher, he said he'd been eager to meet the parents of this kid who had made the class discussions so engaging both for him and for the other kids.

I Did

Eighth grade we studied the constitution and how the government bodies work for about 2 weeks. It was required to learn the declaration of independence and constitution well enough to be tested on them. That's been a while ago though so I had forgotten a lot of what we learned. That was school in Phoenix before it went to hell.

skippy

oh come on we can easily

oh come on we can easily prove this post wrong.. dont down vote it

Sure 2+2=4 but the way it is taught is all wrong.

Ancient China used abacuses for math. Therefore math was taught using an abacus.

Nowadays math is done on calculators and cellphones. Yet it is taught with paper and pencil.

What the hell is a pencil anyway?

Pandacentricism will be our downfall.

Cival war is completely false

Cival war is completely false in school... Lincoln didnt free one slave with the emancipation proclamation. The confederacy was a separate country. The war had little to do with slavery. Only about 5% of the southerners owned slaves... what were the other 95% fighting for? freedom. Now, FDR and WW2 saving us from the great depression is a lie... Herbert Hoover did tons of public works; while we are told he was a do nothing president... hint hint the hoover dam... the constitutional convention was clearly controversial and they paint it as something divine........ the answer is Yes they are blantly lying and most history teacher know no different because they were taught all this in college. I would know as a history major... they are all communists. I still remember debating my professor on how the great depression wasnt ended by WW2

You're proving the point of the OP

How could teaching the Civil War be "completely false" if, even by your own post, you agree that Lincoln was the president and that he issued the Emancipation Proclamation? Two true fact that you've decided are at once "completely false" and yet stated as true.

That's the point of this post. This "completely" business and "all lies" business is on the face of it untrue. Speaking in such absolutes degrades the legitimate argument you make. You can argue that the motivations are simplified and that Lincoln's power to issue the Proclamation was of little consequence because the states with the majority of slaves had succeeded. You are incorrect in stating no slaves were freed. There were escaped slaves in the North, who were suddenly free from the legal return laws. There were slaves in the territories who were suddenly free.

Then you call all your fellow college history majors communists? Come on. Just because you had to be burdened with debating a professor doesn't make anyone a communist. It makes your college experience a good prep for the rest of your life. As it should be.

History specifically... and

History specifically... and most people will never do more than 8th grade math... something you could learn from cooking food. Tom Woods can prove to you what you learned in school was wrong... at libertyclassroom.com

In 8th grade math they learn

In 8th grade math they learn quadratic equations and best line fit. Sure you could learn that from cooking, but you'd have to get get way beyond fractions and ratios and cookbooks.

Most people -- yes, most people still graduate from high school -- have to take two additional math classes beyond eighth grade (many take four). Tom Woods knows that most of what you learn is right; he recommends you take that foundation and explore further.

I shudder to think what the kids are learning in school

About 9/11

It's not an omission .. It's a total rewrite

The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave.

- Calvin Coolidge

Maybe not everything is a lie.

But I recently had to UNLEARN everything I thought I knew about Saint Abraham of Illinios. Greatest president ever? Tyrants be damned...

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