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California No longer requiring 8th Graders to take Algebra

California will no longer require eighth-graders to take algebra — a move that is line with the Common Core standards being adopted by most states, but that may leave students unprepared for college.

Last month, California formally shifted to the Common Core mathematics standards, which recommend that students delay taking algebra if they aren’t ready for it. Previously, algebra class was a requirement for all eighth-graders in the state.

The Common Core State Standards Initiative, which is sponsored by the National Governor’s Association, is an effort to unify diverse state education curricula. Forty-five other states and the District of Columbia have signed on so far.

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Algebra is such a waste.

Algebra is such a waste. Nothing you'd ever use I'm sure. You would never need to know how to logically figure out real world problems.

How much carpet do you need to buy to carpet your 12x12 living room? 12 x 12 = Y That is algebra.

Blessings )o(

You miss...

...a key element of mathematics. Learning it makes you think in other ways.
You may not get all that is going on, I know I'm not good at higher math, (and that is geometry on up!), but it is a "how to" learning exercise. How to learn.

Although I don't really understand algebra, I do find it fascinating. So I think.........

Your Example is Very Basic Math

Sorry. Not algebra at all. Learning to measure the area of a carpet is something anyone can learn all by themselves very easily. All practical real world uses are easy to learn without school. All the countless hours of drilling with every possible number game invented is such an enormous waste of valuable learning time. And an insult to human intelligence.


i hated algebra
who needs it

i didnt even appreciate math until 10 years after high school, when it became interesting. school just sucks interest out of every topic anyway.

replace algebra with logic 101 or creative writing. this is what kids could use.

Math is Power

Algebra and Advanced mathematics are the most powerful tools in all of history.

Before WWII, German scientist began to uncover the formulas for fluids behaving in an ideal flow. These studies would later become what we know as classical aerodynamics. The formulas were all derived by a handy equation conceptualized by Issac Newton known as (F = ma). Leonhard Euler and Daniel Bernoulli first wrote the equations for changing pressures, densities, and velocities in an ideal flow.

These equations were used to design one of the most powerful and technologically advanced airforces in the world. The ensuing war is well known to everyone.

Math is War

Maybe we need more people that can think outside the box of technology for warfare. Maybe if students/teachers had more time to study the real history of our world, or study current events, use critical thinking skills, and be able to express themselves with logical arguments or with creative imagination, we would avoid that which has destroyed any hope for achieving our potential. Math is war is right. It is war on our kids. A form of violent abuse that few seem to understand. Wake up! Our schools are factory mass production centers of mind control, and math is the poster child for such an offensive excuse for education.

welcome to the Matrix

Governments have all the equations and formulations stored. Corporations do not like competition.Go to college and join the corporate ranks!

after my wife taught in public school

we decided to send our kids to catholic school. Best investment we ever made. they are years ahead of their public school peers. Don't fall for the garbage that kids can't do it. Yes they can!

And catholic (or other private) schools are not that expensive for grades K-8. basically a car payment ($3000/yr or $300/mo for 10 months). Considering the alternative it is money well spent.

They come out of 8th grade and are at a junior level in public HS. And have actually learned how to learn and think.

Bottom line, get your kids out of public school! Homeschool or private/parochial school. But get them out!

and here is the crux of the problem

I already pay 8000 a year in property taxes and cannot afford to send them to private schools.

We are considered a "good" school district - yet I know a couple people who specifically built houses in town JUST for the school district - but they are so bad(even though we are better than most) that these people now send there kids to private schools.

Lets face it - until the public education system is abandoned - our kids will fall further and further behind.

we purposely moved to a low tax area

so we would have the funds to send the kids to private school.

Daughter goes to the state university.

She was homeschooled and is 3/4 of the way to her BSN degree. She is doing very, very well.

Her peers who were public schooled can barely do basic mathmatics much less Algebra. Our state is at present trying to pass a law that would greatly undermine the rights of homeschool families to remain seperate of the public school curriculum influence.

Dumbing down is the goal.

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The only reason for taking algebra in 8th grade

is so you can take Calc in 12th grade and not everyone is cut out for that. I think taking algebra in 8th grade is a little much for some kids, and just right for others.

10th - algebra 2
11th - trig/pre-calc
12th- calc.

Most kids are not going to take the calc, but they need a math their senior year so as not to forget it all before college or post-voc training. They didn't offer algebra to 8th graders where I went to school and I had to take geometry and algebra 2 at the same time to be able to take calculus in 12th grade.

I just have to disagree here

We need to be pushing our kids in math and science - saying some are just not cut out for it cripples the lifelong skills the other kids will need to compete in a world dominated by math and science.

The reason many of these kids are not cut out for it is due to the horrible education system we have in this country.
Sorry to get on my soap box - but this is really a huge pet peeve of mine. My kids go to what is considered an above average school district -and let me tell you - the math skills they teach are atrocious. The WAY they teach math is atrocious - from the early grades on up they are crippling these kids so when they get to doing algebra it is a nightmare for these kids. More than one or two math teachers in our district SUCK at math. I have had to correct them on MANY occasions.

As a chemical engineering grad and homeschool mom

I can tell you that the math and science (STEM) crap is overhyped. There are not enough technical jobs available as many of my unemployed compatriots can attest to. I know one guy who went through a few years ahead of me who is working in a warehouse in management, but probably doesn't use any of his tech training. When I graduated chem eng school, there were scant jobs.

Scientific American: Does the US Produce Too Many Scientists?

It doesn't matter how much math you shove down a kid's throat, they'll just ship these tech jobs overseas where its cheaper.

All this being said, my eighth grade daughter is taking algebra in our homeschool. I'm not sure if my other kids will be ready for it or not as kids learn at different rates. The point I'm trying to make is that there is a limit to how many math subjects are offered at high school and you are going to have trouble in college if you skip math entirely your senior year of high school if you start the high school maths too early.

This common core stuff is

This common core stuff is just a way for the federal government to control education. The states have to go to common core if they want to keep getting federal funds. A few states like texas and alaska have told the feds to, keep their money, we will do education our way.

Math is this country was dead long ago

My kids in high school come home with math so easy I don't even have to look it up to remind myself how to do it.

In the younger grades they actually penalized them for figuring out the problem using math - they wanted the kids to estimate.

Of course most of the time all they do is prep for standardized testing instead of actually learning anyways.