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Many DailyPaul Members Have Become NEOCONS

and/or hypocrites.

I would say that I hope that it works out for you, but then I would be lying.

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Hmm I wish the OP would

Hmm I wish the OP would clarify their statement.

Rand

I'm not totally sold on him yet I must admit.

Where we knew Ron Paul's positions on anything were nearly absolute, Rand's are conditional and he's willing to look at each uniquely, which is not a bad thing.

I think he is still feeling his way and trying to catch flies with honey.

He knows what is right and wrong... and is trying not to shock the rest so as to keep his cred with the neocons.

We'll see how it pans out when they decide to vote to arm the rebels (our own people by the way supporting NATO/Al Qaeda and zionists alike trying to over throw Assad) as my REPUBLICAN Senator Ayotte wants to do.

It's really nuts... what's going on over there is just the opposite from what the public perceives but now that we have internet and friends in foreign lands to let us know what is really going on, we have proof and can explain to the naive boobs who sit and listen to the TV all day.

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

Depends on what you mean

I hope you don't mean they became neocons because they are working within the GOP?

Certainly if they decided to adopt the neocon policies, they have 'become neocons' in philosophy but I doubt very much this is true. If anything I see people becoming more in tune with the constitutional positions of Ron Paul, such as on the illegal wars... that is why NH went from 8% to 24% -- massive education that was done during the 2007-2012 rise of the tea party that the Paul supporters started.

I will make one observation and that is, they have matured since 2008 when they would not work at all in the proper ways within the party to help Ron get elected... but in 2012 they did a great job.

The two party system is not perfect, but as you've seen how third parties are excluded, sometimes you just have to go within and change things.

Others who don't want to do that might stay out in the periphery, but at least they are now engaged and interacting so as to educate the most number of people.

It may not happen in my lifetime but I now have some hope that the youth are understanding where our country went wrong and what they have to do to gain back the freedom the founders sought when they established the government here.

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

Rand = Strategizing (Duh.)

(Even if you're not talking about Rand, I'm saying this.)

Do you know how stupid most Congressmen are? There are some exceptions, don't get me wrong.

Last week, we had the displeasure of sharing air with Pete Sessions. He ended his "justification speech" by saying something along the lines of 'don't believe the immigration talk, it's all about giving Muslims Constitutional protection' (nevermind any Muslims in the room...we were at a church for our GOP meeting, ugh.)

Seriously, Rand is tricking them. It's that easy. Yes, yes it is. Pete Sessions didn't answer one question, he praised himself for rallying the GOP troops under the table on the GOP tour de America last election cycle.

Then, he scared all the old people and left. People probably think I'm a neocon, too since I'm at a County GOP meeting held in a church listening to Pete Sessions. I'd say, use some litmus questions before writing someone off.

#geoLOVE

It is the sense of unity

It is the sense of unity that so many of us crave is absent from internet forums.

SO WHAT?

BFD. Educate, dont hate.

People change, individuals are unique and so are their views.

Stop trying to pigeon hole people and compartmentalize them - I know thats easier to do.

Instead thoughtfully engage people, educate them, and if they disagree be bold enough to accept that and move on.

"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle."

ANDY ANGRY

Our president is killing children with drones and calling it legal.

The press is overrun with propaganda and half truths and bold lies.

Common Americans dont know what the Constitution says or what it means.

We operate in a failing economic system that people dont understand.

No one knows history, even of the past 100 years.

AND YOU WANT TO NAME CALL AND EXCLUDE?!

Dear GOD in heaven the fact that you frequent this website means that you have access and hopefully understanding of wisdom that all people so desperatly need - you have a unique gift!

USE IT.

Help others attain it for themselves instead of telling people they arent 'worthy.'

ARRRGHHGGH!

/rant.

"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle."

Dr. Ron Paul spoke

about peace and building coalitions. All the Rand haters and people who want to continue to lose elections and have our liberty stripped away every day are not listening to Ron Pauls message. Who are our political enemies? Progressives. Whether an R or a D, they are accomplishing their goal of total federal govt control. They are doing this by incremental steps for over 100 years now. The liberty movement needs to get into POWER in order to destroy that power. If that means effing sanctions on Iran for and audit of the effing federal reserve THEN SO BE IT!!

My god. You are an economic slave "proud American First", If we do not start winning elections by pandering to the sheep in the R party, you will be a real slave soon enough.

Seems to me Rand is

Seems to me Rand is introducing a lot of legislative in our favor. Does that not matter?

He was talking about working on specific issues...

NOT voting them into office.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

I don't hate Rand

However, he doesn't stand for what I believe in. Therefore, I don't support him. I am a pretty simple guy. If you say one thing, and then you get elected and do another. I have no time or respect for you.

I agree...

I agree with what the OP is saying. After going through many evolutions, I've found myself agreeing with neocon commentators on occasion, and sometimes I start to get sucked into their bullshit... Obama is such an evil revolting scumbag, that it's easy to find yourself siding with anyone who opposes him. Of course, Rand Paul isn't helping either...

There are?

There are?

Southern Agrarian

Nothing to see here folks.

Alright "Proud American". I'm calling you out:

All you do is post a bunch of articles that start trouble on this website.

WHY? If you don't like Alex Jones, DON'T TALK OR COMMENT ON THOSE FORUMS. If you don't like "conspiracy nuts," then LEAVE.

I am here to connect with people who want to change this Country for the better. Can you just SAY THAT TO YOURSELF and stop pushing people to listen to one news source or another?!

TALK ABOUT SOLVING PROBLEMS IN D.C. AND NOT THE D.P.

FUCK man. Grow a pair of BALLS and MOVE ON FROM ALEX JONES.

Jesus Christ.

Lima-1, out.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Well

Let's be honest. A lot of you went crazy and throw around the term 'neocon' like its the newest hottest thing.

Basically, there's two groups on the dp now. There's normal people (the ones you call neocons) and the crazies (the infowarriors who think neocons are hiding under their bed).

Perhaps, but if you read

my recent DP post entitled "Journey of a neoconservative" http://www.dailypaul.com/273216/journey-of-a-neoconservative you will see that there are two sides to the coin.

Magna est veritas, et prevalebit. Truth is most powerful, and will ultimately prevail.

wow the reaction so far

is like the recent ron paul tweet. truth really pisses people off. i don't know about "many" but enough that it's obvious and disturbing.

Did you get

The attention you desperately wanted?

I doubt it.

I suspect a hissy fit post like this from PAF is because she didn't get the attention she wanted in another post/comment. She still hasn't learned to be clear about what assistance she is looking for, so she tends to be ignored. PAF's intentions are good. Something set her off. This is a dumb post, not at all in character. Something is wrong and she's not telling us what is really bothering her. Maybe this post is her outlet for making herself clear, given time? Or maybe it is just another hissy fit.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Not only is this ignorant

It is devisive.

The good news about your post is that those of us who did what Ron Paul and his campaign asked, joined the GOP, became delegates, which means get a committee seat, which means sign a loyalty oath IN MY STATE, now have positions in the GOP, where we are up against the Neocons.

It's VERY OBVIOUS on the committees who is a Neocon and who joined because of Ron Paul, beit the tea partiers, who like everything Ron Paul is saying with exception to his foreign policy, and rEVOLutionairies like me.

Those who REFUSED to do what Ron Paul asked all of us to do, who HATE the GOP, have nothing but MSM excuses to NOT join the GOP, who have never been to a committee meeting, can't tell the difference between a Neocon and a Tea Partier.. they want us to FAIL, and they HATE it that we are winning DESPITE their efforts to undermine us.

You are doing more for the Neocons than you are for Liberty.

Now... Rand Paul.. Rand Paul says we need to use diplomacy FIRST, and then ALL options are on the table. People like you say.. well that means he's for pre-emptive war. This is erronious because by using DIPLOMACY FIRST, the pre-emptive Bush dictorine is eliminated stratigically. Pre-emptive warfare eliminates dimplomacy.

Karl Rove LOVES you PAF. You are doing more for him than the rEVOLution with your posts of hate for those who did what Ron Paul asked.. something you didn't do, and have nothing but excuses like any neocon, why you won't, don't, and can't.

Now you openly admit, you hope we fail.

Thank you for showing your true colors.

You are lying

Ron Paul never asked us to take over the GOP.

He said many times that the Freedom Message should bring people together and that it will become pervasive in all political parties and among independents, not just the GOP.

You are welcome to try your strategy, I know many in my local area that are part of committees now. The only reason I didn't run in my precinct was because a fellow Ron Paul person was already involved and a committeeman and respected, and just as pro-Ron Paul as I.

Over the last couple of years, I have decided that your strategy will not work. That does not make me less of a person in Liberty Movement - it might mean I am more awake. I am now focused on my individual liberty and living as free as I can with bartering, junk-silver, raising my own food, etc...

Your egotist claim that anyone who isn't complicit in the false political party system is going against Ron Paul's philosophy is simply wrong -- and a lie. Your participation in the GOP will do no more to advance Liberty than what I am doing. Zero. The conversion of Rand Paul to a Zionist Neocon is proof enough for me.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Did you never get the message to become a Delegate for Ron Paul?

How could one become a delegate for Ron Paul and NOT join the GOP?

I'm not saying you are less of a person. Do it YOUR way. I'm doing it the way Ron Paul's campaign directed me, with many Ron Paul RepubliCANs, and I LOVE IT.

May you have the LOVE I have in doing it YOUR way.

Vast Difference

There is a vast difference between going to a caucus and convention and being elected as a delegate (I was one of the planners that helped get a complete win, every delegate, of the only county caucus in '08 and we got close again in '12, by the way). Much different than becoming part of the machine. Yes, the campaign encouraged us to be active during the primaries and get as many delegates as possible - which we did.

Again, I don't hold it against you and I think it is a noble goal. But, it still doesn't justify you belittling others and playing the "Paulier-than-thou" card against people that find the GOP irrelevant. They love liberty no less than you. It might actually be more useful to try to get into the local Democrat circles and help change the mindset in all parties - which Dr. Paul DID tell us to do.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

I don't know where you get that

I'm not belittling anyone. It's the other way around.

When did Ron Paul say be a delegate for me in the Democratic Party? Or, Be a delegate for me in the Libertarian Party? Since Ron Paul was a Republican candidate, how could one be a delegate for Ron Paul is any party but the GOP? Can you explain that? (bet you can't or won't)

You've called me a liar.. said I was lying.. that's belittling another, and for what reason? You don't agree with me? You HATE the GOP and think there's another way. Go for it. As a Republican, I will not be supporting you, but as a liberty lover, I do completely. I'm watching, and unlike PAF I with ALL sincerity I wish you ALL the luck.

DO WHAT YOU WANT. I am.

Again....

I didn't claim Ron Paul told us to become delegates for other party conventions. Not once. Why do you constantly need to lie? He asked us to get as many GOP delegates as possible - which I worked for and did.

But, he DID tell us that the only way the Freedom Message will work is if it becomes part of the Democrat Party and the independents. I was sumizing that it might be better to go that direction. I don't hate the GOP, that is another ridiculous claim that I never even alluded to. I can't hate a "thing". I like many people in my local GOP - but there are many more that have opposite philosophies and perform acts that are anti-Liberty.

I wish you luck as well - and I will support those locally doing the same thing you are. Anything is worth a shot. But, don't think you are doing more for the movement because you are now part of the false left/right paradigm, even if you want to make it real.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

What?

Maybe you missed the question marks? Ron paul ASKED us to become GOP delegates. Do we agree on this?

Link me up to when he said that we need to become part of the Democratic Party and Indy's who have NO representation.

I'm not saying I am doing more than anyone. I know three Ron Paul RepubliCANS who are seated with me on my committee doing just as much and more at times. I know Ron Paul RepubliCANS in CA who work very hard in materializing Ron Paul's message in the GOP.

I see many people here on DP who have worked relentlessly to materilaize Ron Paul's message and I RESPECT, ADMIRE and APPRECIATE, and support (when I financially am able) as much as I can.

The NEOcons and NEOliberals have taken BOTH parties, the Neocons, outted the conservatives and the Neoliberals outted the liberals to create what now appears like one party in two, for a NWO UN Agenda.

If that is what you see as a false left/right paradigm.. fine with me.. none the less, it exists, and I am in the GOP to RESTORE THE REPUBLIC. Do what YOU want.

Thank you and good point.

My wife and I also became delegates in the 27th district here in Tacoma, WA, BECAUSE OF Ron Paul.

This guy has got to have an agenda here. He keeps posting articles that only make people here fight. I hate that.

Lima-1, out.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Really, the only agenda I've seen here from

the poster is to promote Justin Amash. Amash is definitely one of the good guys, and PAF is doing a good thing in trying to get info out on him but, any notion of his running for top office in 2016 is just daydreaming. Good for name recognition and gaining support while in Congress, though.

Maybe I just didn't see the divisive posts because they didn't interest me.

Good on you, MykeTheVet, for fighting hard on our side!

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

excuse me

"Those who REFUSED to do what Ron Paul asked all of us to do,"

please show me where he asked that. he always says: do what you think is right. make up your own mind. do what appeals to you for the cause. he also said that the two parties are irrelevant , that the GOP is not his party because both parties are the problem: same on the big issues, both keynesians. its an intellectual argument, a spreading of the libertarian message, education. infiltrating the parties is fine and trying to win elections too, but if that's your main focus you will be disappointed, and if you sell off your principles to do so you will be even more disappointed.

Ron Paul's campaign web page in now gone

In 07, when I decided to campaign for Ron Paul, I had three elections under my belt working with Nader to open debates and ballot access. I was a Libertarian, fed up with the LP powers that repeatedly nominated Republicans (and that includes Ron Paul, who only became a Libertarian for 6 months to accept our nomination).

Nader convinced me to register Decline to State Party/ Indy)

There was NO WAY I was going to join the GOP. I worked very hard lobbying Ron Paul, and Kent Snyder, to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GO INDY.

I spent time, money, and gas going from my home, to San Fran, to Reno, to all points inbetween. I KNEW, IF Ron Paul would only do it MY WAY, GO INDY.. I had connections all over the USA from working with Nader.. connections to 36 third parties. Indy was the fastest growing voter registration. HOW EXCITING if Ron Paul would just do it MY WAY.

His campaign tossed me under the bus. I was told, JOIN THE GOP or move on. I got into a huge fight with Jeff Greenspan that even came here on DP. Kent Snyder told me personally at a Luncheon for Ron Paul, "Join the GOP and become a delegate. That is THE mission, so get with it or, do what YOU want."

I voted for Nader a forth time (after all, he was very dissappointed that I went for Ron paul rather than lead volunteers for him, around the USA in petition drives).

So when Ron Paul put his bid to run for president 2012, I joined the GOP, because I KNEW, he was not going to do it MY way and go Indy.

What a HUGE difference that made. The campaign was there for me 100%. Phone calls, emails, I joined my GOP committee, as I was asked, was made district team leader, and a national delegate, chosen by Ron Paul's campaign.

If you think that I am so brilliant that I came up with the idea to join the GOP and work from inside the party, THANK YOU. I am not as brilliant as Ron or Rand Paul, and am grateful for them both, as one taught and gave me conservatives values I could respect adn appreciate, and the other is teaching me how to materialize that in the party Ron Paul was a lifetime member.