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Wow- it does feel exactly like Ransom

-to me, too - now that you mention it.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

For or Against?

1. I'm not really familiar with their site, spent more time here and at a few others, but I would think a genuine supporter would not release such a negative article about him.

2. By writing such an article, it changes from being a support site to an attack site, giving all the more reason why RP would want to take it down and have legal recourse to do so. As another commenter pointed out, it bears his name and he is clearly the Ron Paul that it refers to.

3. If I owned that domain and Ron Paul asked me for it so I he could better promote Liberty, I would hand it over in a heartbeat. We support him and we support his message. If their goals have changed from supporting Ron Paul to simply making money off the movement, then yes, it's probably time for that domain to change hands.

made money?

I can bet you they made plenty, of money, selling all of those cut rate T-shirts after printing up a bunch of Ron Paul stuff on them. The coffee cups, were, very likely, profitable, too! It was a profit making exercise, from the beginning! I never bought any of it, anyway!

I think they are just trying to get that final payout for themselves, since Dr Paul is not going to be in politics, as he was before. I agree, it looks like ransom.

Does it surprise anyone that if someone could make money selling us Ron Paul crap, they would not have tried it? They made plenty of money and should give the domain to Dr Paul.

Shouldn't be able to buy a website

With someone else's name.

But, I have a catchy-named website I have personally offered to give Dr. Paul, and it fits him to a tee! When they are ready to develop this website, it'll be grand. The people who own that website are neither being cooperative or very generous.

Using old Common Law sense

practices such as Squatter's rights and common law Marriage, which the majority of states have, if the claimant can prove they've met the requirements of the law and did so for the required amount of time, he/she is either deemed married or owner of the property. Clearly, Ronpaul.com didn't quite make it to the finish line.

I think 7 years is the common time frame in both these cases. Any interruption in the time frame...like the owner of the property shows up and kicks the claimant off his property, the squatter has to go - empty handed. Or if one wants a divorce before the 7 years are up, he/she will have no claim to 'joint' property.

It seems to me Ron Paul is stepping in to bust up this 'marriage' AND outting the squatter whose benefitted enormously already from the use of his name=property. Just because Ron Paul allowed this behavior for a few years doesn't mean he intended it to become permanent, and thus, binding.

Even if Ron Paul had no use for this Ronpaul.com domain name, what he's clearly saying now is that he's not about to let his property- his name and reputation fall into the hands of anyone else but him. Would you?

But for the name, Ron Paul, Ronpaul.com would not have smelled the same.

Ron Paul was quite generous letting Ronpaul.com benefit for so long He even offered a generous amount to buy his property back. Did he ask Ronpaul.com for all the benefits it reaped-what- $150K, $250K? No. But he did receive a kick in the face when Ronpaul.com tacked on an additional $848K to the already quite generous revenue gained from squatting on and pretending to be married to the person Ron Paul...

Call me old fashioned, but that's just the way I see this relationship. Ronpaul.com is a 'gold-digger'. "Nothing personal Ron, just business!"

My advice to Ronpaul.com: It's not smart to kill the goose that laid your golden egg. But don't worry. It's not like you are walking away with nothing, eh? LOL

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

My bet is, they'll lose their money making abilities over this.

They pretended in the beginning that they were doing it to save them from people who would have tried to use them to squat on his good name.. Personally now that I see their real intentions, I won't be buying anything from them and I think they're going to lose a great deal of other people as well.. so they'll most likely lose either way.

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It would seem

there are many "supporters" looking to profit off the liberty movement instead of doing whats right. Quite frankly, if I had owned Ronpaul.com and was given a decent price for the domain I would have sold it, At this stage of the games there isnt much left to do with the site. Except give it to someone who will utilize it better.

BOYCOTT!

His name is Edward Snowden

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http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

Boycott?

Hah, Daily Paul could eat them for breakfast

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

Noone has been a bigger

Noone has been a bigger supporter of Ron Paul than I, but if Ron Paul is using the Untied Nations to take someone's domain away from them, that is absolutely disgusting behaviour and ought to be denounced by everyone here.

There are other tactics that he can use to make this happen.

You say 'other tactics'

Like? Pay their ransom? Seriously, I'm not able to think of any others.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

Ransom? It's called "MARKET

Ransom? It's called "MARKET PRICE"! You should know the difference.

What if

someone used YourRealName.com? As if it's you? Whether or not you even have use for a website, would you want your name and reputation in the hands of a stranger you have no control over? Provided you were the real live Dr. Ronald Earnest Paul?

I think Dr. Paul has learned his lesson from his newsletters. But in that case, at least, he was the publisher, with some control.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

Did you vote for Dr.Paul?

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Just boycott the damn site

He could have accepted RP's proposition. The only down turn is that the site will end up in neocon hands when the owner will get lesser offers to sell...

The guy showed his true colors when making a big fuzz about RP going to the UN when he knows damn well that's the only avenue right now for that kind of arbitration. Now THAT's ill intent.

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Just a thought

as to why Dr. Paul is even interested in buying the domain names...wouldn't he as someone who can predict trends as he's done in the economy be able to see the swing of Washington against the public even better now that he is out of Congress? Why couldn't his move here be in the interest of the public? He is just being a patriot again and taking what is rightfully his. Those domain's do include his name and refer to him without a doubt. You wouldn't want someone except yourself making money off of your name would you? We should follow in his footsteps and take a stand against other people stealing what is rightfully ours. Even though these domain's have done a grand thing in helping promote Dr.Paul's message, our names belong to ourselves. Let's continue to follow Dr.Paul with correct thinking. All starts with your thought life and how you think about things.

I don't like the topic

phrased in such a way. The owner of the domain should be paid a reasonable amount but not necessarily the going market price of the domain name. As far as I know there is no controversy.

My question is, why would Ron

My question is, why would Ron Paul himself care bout the website? He is already set for life. Why would he want to pay $250,000 just town that website? To me, the owner of RP2012 is waisting his or her time.

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Let it Go

Should have given the domain name to Ron Paul a long time ago. Whats the point of having someone's personal name, esp. in this circumstance. I wouldn't want my name on someone else's web site. Probably could have sold it to Ron Paul early on as well and made a few $. Don't know if an offer was ever made or not.

Should he have Daily Paul too?

I'm between two stools on this. dot com is where people tend to go for main sites. If Dr Paul wants a web presence & people want to visit HIS official site then ithe name should make it relatively easy for him to reach them and for them to reach him.
However, those behind ronpaul.com are not cyber-squatting, putting up doctored images looking for a pay-off. Everything on the site is about Dr Paul and his philosophy. The title is not misleading. They have made an investment into the site. If they are forced to hand it over they will be denied any return on their investment. They will be denied the fruits of their labour.
Perhaps Dr Paul should accept the dot org along with a commitment to put a disclaimer on the dot com site along with a prominent link to his personal site.
When you go to the Montreal Alouettes website you're asked to choose the French or English language edition. Perhaps the ronpaul.com site should ask visitors to choose the 'fan site' or 'personal site'.

If the principle is established that you have ownership of websites whose names refer to you, the daily Paul could be next.

Manus
Pro-Life, pro-family, pro-freedom, pro-worker, pro Ron Paul

DailyPaul.com

DailyPaul.com =/= RON PAUL U.S trademark

ronpaulforums.com =/= RON PAUL U.S trademark

ronpaul.com = RON PAUL U.S trademark

Negligent of his staff to let it expire after the 2008 campaign but Ron Paul is a trademark and has sufficient grounds to claim back the domain name of his trademark.

Ron Paul tried, in good faith, to buy it back from the owners but they saw the opportunity to extort more money thus refused. THAT IS ONE OF THE PURPOSES to trademark your name, to avoid things like these. Ron Paul will get his domain name back and the owners will get zip.

And for those that are complaining about this whole UN thing.

Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy (UDRP) is the standard international (since domains and .com can be purchased from anyone around the globe) means of re-acquiring domain names that business and individuals own trademark to. The fact that they are associated with the UN is a mute point.

It shows malice in the part of the owner of the site to try and paint Ron Paul as a hypocrite to his supporters when the reality of the situation at this point and time is that it is the only avenue available for this kind of arbitration. The ronpaul.com owners just showed their true colors and WHY IT IS NECESSARY that Ron Paul gets that domain back.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

They made their money off his

They made their money off his name...time to hand it over.

"Bad Faith" is the key.

The ICANN rules are clear and there is legal precedent. I squat on choice domains often, but I never pretend to be the entity that would own that domain or offer it for sale. I once bought NinaRadetich.com to criticize unethical journalists. When the media contacted me I told them I owned "Ninar Adetich.com," a word I made up. I never represented my site as Nina's and didn't use it for profit. I just pointed out her dirty deeds and rubbed it in her face that a media figure didn't own her own name. When she got pregnant I gave it to her as a gift. She now, ironically, runs a social media marketing consultancy through it.
Ron screwed up and lost control of his brand, but all he owes the current owner is whatever they paid to register it. If some lesser known Ron Paul owned it for his personal blog, our Ron wouldn't have a leg to stand on. They clearly acted in bad faith and there really is no other interpretation of the letters r-o-n-p-a-u-l unless your name is Rolanda and your boyfriend is named Paul and you can prove it. I wish I woulda gotten ahold of Superb Owl.com back in the day.
These boys played a game of poker and over bet. They could've worked out a deal that would've gotten them a decent check, but they stayed too long with no cards. They made their money off of Ron's name, they get no more. Too bad.

sigh

The owners should just give Ron Paul the domain name and move on. They can easily think of something else and do that instead.

Frankly I don't go to the website as I know it's not Ron Paul's own website and the dailypaul is better.

I keep seeing..

this action repeatedly being characterized as a lawsuit or legal action. It is not.

When anybody registers a domain name they agree to ICANN domain name registration policy. All that is happening is a policy dispute claim has been filed. It is an INTERNAL policy review and decision. ICANN will decide (through WIPO) if ICANN's registration policy has been violated by the current owners of ronpaul.com.

WIPO is an international advocacy group for intellectual property. They are not a court of law and they do not make policy. ICANN uses WIPO as a third party to make findings on the aspects of ICANN's policies that deal with intellectual property.

Again, no lawsuits here. No court of law. Just an internal policy determination of whether the owners of ronpaul.com violated ICANN's policies related to the domain name they registered through ICANN's system.

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

The solution is simple

Everybody stop visiting Ronpaul.com. The owners will feel the squeeze soon enough and maybe they'll come back to the bargaining table with a more reasonable proposition.

thats it

Thats exactly what we should do.

Gold. Guns. Girls.

Offer

I own both RP12.COM and RP4.US, if providing either or both of these names to either party will quash this dispute I'll be happy to do so for a very small fee of $100 provided they do go to one of the involved parties and this squabble ends promptly. Respond by email to eb(at)2323(dot)us if interested.

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Very interesting to read the complaint (link posted below). I

sure hope the good doc wins this and gets his domain name.

Debbie

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Imagine if I opened a diner and called it "ron pauls diner"?
or a brand of meat and marketed it under "ron paul meats"??
same difference.
except in this case it is called "forum" which is much WORSE because it implies he has his microphone turned on there.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

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$250,000 is a very fair asking price.

$250,000 is a rather low asking price, actually, so it is a fair asking price. And, I say this, because the owners of ronpaul.com own the contract on that domain until 2020.

SOURCE: http://whois.domaintools.com/ronpaul.com

If they make $97.84 per day, for 7 years, that amounts to $250,000.

Right now, with very little traffic, the domain is making $100+ per day:
http://www.websitelooker.com/search.php?site=ronpaul.com

Who here would bet $250,000 is an impossible target to hit? You know, damn well, in Ron Paul's hands, it would be worth much more than that. If Ron Paul owned it and put more unique/original products on it, it would be worth way more than $250,000.

Ron Paul [the name], it will be a very popular name for years to come, especially if Ron Paul runs again and wins, as I hope he does. Who here actually believes it's wrong/foolish to make money on such a long term investment?

People sold shirts, banners, buttons, cards, gold/silver/copper coins with Ron Paul's name and face on them, and all kinds of other things with Ron Paul's name/face plastered on them -- should all of those people be forced to turn their stuff over to Ron Paul due to the fact *stuff* may be worth money someday? Nobody should be allowed to cash-in on their savvy or their collectibles?

I hope people don't feel that way, because Ron Paul has been fighting against *controlled markets* throughout his entire career. Using the government to steal -- it's the exact opposite of everything Ron Paul has stood for.