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Nobody is being sued...

It is an internal ICANN policy dispute resolution. When you register a domain you agree to ICANN policy. All that is happening is ICANN is being asked to determine if the owner of ronpaul.com has violated the policy terms they agreed to when registering the domain(s).

This is not a legal proceeding and no court of law is involved...

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Excellent point.

Shouldn't Ron, by the same logic that justifies this action, be able to claim ownership of the DP? It's a site freely using his supposedly trademarked persona, making money from it, etc.

This is a screwed up move. Again, we need to look into who is advising Ron, and who might be putting something in his OJ. He's acting like someone else.

Apples and Oranges

"Ron Paul is the owner of RON PAUL U.S. trademark. Ron Paul has acquired rights in the mark by virtue of it’s use within the United States, including a large volume of sales of Dr. Paul’s books. The RON PAUL mark has achieved a secondary meaning associated with Ron Paul sufficient to establish common law trademark rights. RON PAUL has long been associated with Dr. Paul’s books, articles, public appearances, and political commentary."

DailyPaul(.com)=/= RON PAUL U.S trademark

ronpaulforums(.com)=/= RON PAUL U.S trademark

RonPaul(.com)(.org) = RON PAUL U.S trademark

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

It's kind of funny

To see people use trademark law to defend Ron Paul. Just sayin.

Trademark dilution aka cybersquatting does constitute using derivations of a domain. This is the same argument used against scalpers and arbitrage, it's intellectually and economically bogus.

It's not even with the spirit of trademark law which is supposed to protect consumers from being defrauded. RonPaul.com (as far as I know) hasn't defrauded or attempted to defraud any consumers.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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Yeah?

Then why didn't he buy the website name?

There's an element of trying to rewrite history here...he didn't create his public persona as a business, create a trademark, and then someone waltzed in and tried to steal his concept. He spoke out as a taxpayer-funded "public servant," and happened to strike a chord and become very marketable, by which time he'd missed the boat as far being able to nail down ronpaul.com....he didn't nail down ronpaul.com, or have any gripes about someone else owning it for a looong time, because he didn't see himself as a business.....now he's trying to say wait a minute, I'm a business. That's MINE.

Seems kinda lowdown to me.

What's lowdown is people

who rarely post here, now running up to make a judgement on someone who has been a much better man in life for Liberty than any of them lol..

Here's one of your many stupid assessments.. Ripe with many idiotic and incorrect illogical statements.

"Space can only be explored through a government program, just like the poor can only be helped through a government program. The government program explored space, therefore it is necessary and the only option. If you didn't force others to pay for it through state violence, it wouldn't happen. The poor would starve. I mean, um, scientific progress would end. The state is the only solution....."

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YOU INCREDIBLE GENIUS

The word you're looking for there, smart person, is "rife," not "ripe," for starters.

Then, the quote you've found is me making the point through sarcasm that government programs aren't necessary....Do you disagree with that premise?

Is your first name Jack? I bet it is, and I bet your last name has the letter S in it twice.

It is true but you don't have to

yell it to the mountaintops.

"The word you're looking for there, smart person, is "rife," not "ripe," for starters.:

I chose ripe for my own amusement.. I pictured thumping a melon as I said it.

"Then, the quote you've found is me making the point through sarcasm that government programs aren't necessary....Do you disagree with that premise?"

Yes I do.

"Is your first name Jack? I bet it is, and I bet your last name has the letter S in it twice."

No more than your first name is Jerk with a last name ending in two F's. If so, nice to meet you.

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It IS his

He is Ron Paul. The trademark wouldn't exist without him. He worked to create all the value now associated with him.

The current holders bought it specifically because they recognized the value associated with that brand, not because they thought of a name they liked and registered it for unrelated content. They are trying to cash in on HIS and all of our hard work.

The anti-cybersquatting protection exists for everybody that way, by the way, not just Ron Paul.

Look at the difference

Look at the difference between RonPaul.com and Daily Paul. One made its name through the man's name himself and one made its name from word of mouth, great subscribers an array of discussion and anonymous donors in the sum of 5 grand.

Daily Paul does it right. RonPaul.com endgame has come to head.

ronpaul.com's gravy train is

ronpaul.com's gravy train is nearing its last stop.

it has to be said that ron

it has to be said that ron was irresponsible for not renewing the domain after his campaign ended back in '08. secondly, i have very little sympathy for domain squatters. in a free society there would definitely be avenues available for dealing with them. i'm glad ron isn't paying this dipshit's $250k ransom. for the time being we can resort to social ostracism.

The person I went after through ICANN won without responding

So its possible RonPaul.com could win... some guy intervened in an auction and stole a domain I was buying..

http://domains.adrforum.com/domains/decisions/1454516.htm

UDRPs

If its business related he will lose. I had to deal with this as well. It will have to go to court. He's using the arbitration method. You have to understand what the U.S. did. It handed over control over domain disputes to ICANN but it retains the root DNS control for most of the world at the Dept. of Commerce. There is a very good reason for this. If the US wanted to it could just terminate all root DNS. This is around the time that the US privatized the Internet. ICANN, which handles UDRP arbitration through different mediation boards around the world, is actually a private organization with UN funding and multi-national input. The US still controls the root domain files.

My understanding is the UN does not yet have any part of ICANN

it is just trying to get it http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_22531358/u-s-should-f...

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They own the name.

End of story. If Ron wants it, he pays their price. If they want too much money, he has to settle for something else, just like with any other thing someone else owns that you want.

First the PR disaster gloating over the death of a "hero" and now this.....Either there is some deeper logic to the whole thing that isn't immediately apparent, or we need to look into who is advising Ron, and who might be spiking his food and drink.

Something is up with these weird moves.

I suspect infiltrators are taking their best shot at undermining his influence before the next big political cycle gets underway.

The actual "price"

Is like $1500 for one arbitrator. I don't think Ron will have a big deal with this. There is the whole idea about owning your own name, but if RonPaul.com can prove they were using it for legitimate business purposes first, and that Ron Paul doesn't have a trademark on his own name... its sketchy. He can elect for a board of arbitrators for around $3000 to vote on it.

ditto

good post, my thoughts and feelings exactly

Ron Paul owned

the trademark first. That's what's important. If they were using it for something not associated with Ron Paul's trademark then their property rights should hold, but that's not the case.

If Microsoft let their domain expire through some fluke and you registered microsoft.com, see how long you would keep it while putting Microsoft trademark related content on it.

yes but

they have an obligation to protect their own trademark...and knowingly let someone use it for years is not doing that. SO, what I am saying is they should have gone after it YEARS ago and they didn't. It would be different if they didn't know about the site...but they did.

example of something similar?

Show me how this work with an analogous situation.

I'm not

sure of something analogous because the Internet and its power for spreading information is unique.

I can tell you, however, that trademark is interesting law. Trademark deals with perception in the marketplace, and a trademark holder has to defend it. Trademark rights are like muscles where if you don't exercise them you lose them.

I'll give you three examples - Xerox, Google, Adobe. All of these companies have done their best to defend their trademark including admonishing people to not use their name as phrases, e.g. saying "xerox it" or "google it" or "it's photoshopped", because words that are common words in the marketplace weakens the trademark of the respective owners.

A facet of intellectual

A facet of intellectual property, the validity of which is pretty debatable.

But either way this site is celebrating Ron Paul as a taxpayer-funded public figure, not a marketplace phenomenon. Ron Paul's name is valuable because of his participation in politics, for better or worse....So it doesn't carry over, at least from an ethical standpoint....They aren't basing the domain name on Ron Paul the business or product, but on Ron Paul the already-paid-for congressman and presidential candidate.

I disagree

There is a business Ron Paul too. He has written books which make profit, for example.

Someone can't register JKRowling.com and put up content related to her as the famous author of Harry Potter without her having rights to the trademark of her name.

The business came about from

The business came about from his taxpayer-funded political career, and the site is celebrating his taxpayer-funded political career....So there is a major difference between that and an author who makes their name valuable based strictly on market activity.

I'm not saying the legal argument can't be made. I'm saying the moral argument has some big holes in it.

The taxes

paid him to be a representative in congress, nothing more. And he served his duty, very well I might add. It's not like taxpayers own his soul or anything.

I actually have a moral issue with the actions of the owners of RonPaul.com who claim to be supporters.

Maybe this is another tactic to drag his good name through the

dirt..

Sounds like something Roger Stone would dream up..

Buy the domains names knowing Dr.Paul would have to go through establishment roadways to get them back then paste him as a hypocrite through the media.. Which I bet is coming momentarily.

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I thought the owner of the

I thought the owner of the site was going to give to Ron. He shows his true colors if the 800 grand is true.

RonPaul.com offered to give RonPaul.org

The response they got was this legal complaint filed against them.

No, they offered to sell it

read the offer they put up on their site. It says they offered it for $250k. Maybe I read it wrong, but that's on their website.

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