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All Wars Are Banker Wars

Based on the article from What Really Happened.com:


http://youtu.be/5hfEBupAeo4

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You're quite right and that's

You're quite right and that's the term that is really preferred and more meaningful. Though I see it as a matter of application and degree. Hagel was a statist too

I would saw quite a few degrees.

Hegel was a minarchist and Rothbard anarcho-capitalist. both are a long way from Marx who saw one state doing violence on another ad infinitum.

Free includes debt-free!

Ok here's a few more degrees for you:)

I'm not quibbling Marx ran the ball quite a way.

But I wouldn't call Hegel a minarchist. His philosophy was essentially a justification for collectivism. He was inventing the moral case for the new non monarchical governments springing up. Divine right wasn't going to cut it anymore. You need an excuse to prey on people, and he (among others to be sure) provided it.

Now he may not have imagined how far things would go. He may have just been used to government and didn't like the idea of it going away while not thinking it might get so out of control. Regardless Hegel is a seed of all sorts of evil.

I don't recall what Rothbard had to say about him but I'll bet it wasn't kind. I'll have to check.

Do Not Be Deceived

This video is horribly full of statist ideology. You will see this doctrine emerge more and more. It argues that money creation should be in the hands of the government, not the "private sector". We must not allow people to label the current money system as private. It is a cartel enforced by government violence. Removing the bankers and replacing them with bureaucrats will do nothing to change the current system.

Do not be lulled to support this doctrine. The answer is the full repeal of the currency laws. Allow any currency to be used. Allow any bank to issue any currency. Allow any mint to issue a full gold backed currency. Allow the currencies to compete. Allow the strongest, most stable store of value to emerge. THIS IS THE ANSWER... DO NOT BELIEVE THAT GIVING GOVERNMENT AND POLITICIANS FULL CONTROL OF OUR MONEY SUPPLY IS A PANACEA. IT IS DEATH!

I didnt really get that

He says the Fed is a private bank is true, but doesnt say that gov't is the answer.

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BS!

"...money creation should be in the hands of the government"

well, yeah, isn't that what the constitution says?

If that "government" has been bribed into corruption then replace those traitors! Don't throw the baby out with the dirty water!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Not exactly, this is how I read it.

Congress is given the power to coin Money.

Article 1 section 8.5
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

Article 1 section 10
No State shall make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts.

Only US Congress can mint Coins that the States must use to pay their debts to the US Treasury or the people.

A Dollar was defined as a branded and fixed weight of Silver, 371 4/16 grains by the Coinage Act of 1792. Counterfeiting involved copying the Congressional Brand. Congress regulated of foreign Coin also by determining the weight of silver or gold of those coins. The Panda or the Silver Real for example.

No states or State chartered banks may issues Bills of credit, they must have a weight gold and silver on hand and redeemable on demand for any bills created. Fractional Reserves are explicitly forbidden to the States.

Nordhaus infringed on the Congressional brand. Had he simply minted a weight of silver he wouldn't be a counterfeiter and could have established his own brand reputation and loyalty.

The States are to pay their debts to Treasury and to the people in Gold and Silver Congressional Coin or regulated (made regular) foreign Coin including Nordhaus Coins not Congressionally branded.

Are other Federal claims in the Nordhaus case are without justification except that Nordhaus Coins are not legal Tender for State debts.

Had Nordhaus minted unbranded Coins they would be as valid as cigarettes were in prison camps. There are no Constitutional or legal restriction on what you and I can contract for trade.

The Constitution establishes rules for Governments, not for people or citizens.

Free includes debt-free!

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isn't that what I...

also inferred?

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Nope

You throw away the baby with the bath water when you interpret the constitution as stating that Congress shall have the SOLE power to mint coin. It doesn't say that.

Allowing a truly free market of currency competitors does not negate Article 1 Section 8. The Federal Government would still be welcome to compete if the legal tender laws were repealed. As a matter of fact, that is exactly what Dr. Paul's Free Competition in Currency Act did.

Important distinction and caution

It doesn't necessarily negate the assertion that bankers drive wars. The Constitution gives Treasury responsibility, though not the power to print beyond the discipline of gold and silver. An argument to remove money power from the private central bankers to different private bankers is a nuanced and difficult one in a world of Keynesians. Bernard von Nothaus' Liberty Dollar was a forward thinking experiment.

To "Coin" Money Only

The Constitution does not give government the power to issue currency. Only to make coins. Obviously allowing anyone, or any business (including banks) to issue currency that trades in the open market. With today's technology, currencies can be monitored for both their value and supply. Privately issued currency that competes with other currencies is a means to facilitate commerce and eliminate both the government and the central banks as rulers/enslavers by currency monopoly and inflation.

Just FYI, those Churchill

Just FYI, those Churchill quotes don't check out. A whole bunch of quotes attributed to Churchill seem to have sprung into existence on the Internet, magically enhancing the argument of this and other individuals.

There are enough confirmed, horrible things to have happened in history that we shouldn't be wasting our time - and credibility - on made up plots. If you want to make a video exposing evil in government, talk about Mk Ultra or Operation Mockingbird. These are real, sources are available, and not many people know about them.

That's very interesting

"Internet" research is not necessarily accurate. Can you easily specify which quotes are hallucinated? Quite a few historic episodes and quotes here I didn't know about. Gives pause..

spot on

great video

Several things...

Interest made on loaned money is paid back to the US Treasury. This is a factual thing, either provable or not provable, thus we should save our time sharing opinions.

The solution of National banking cartels being replaced by State Bank cartels is not a solution. Far better to separate the State & Money all together and let free market money flourish.

Finally...
Usury, or interest on money, is a GOOD thing. There is nothing wrong with charging interest and there is everything wrong with NOT doing so. If your neighbor borrows 20,000 from you and pays you back the 20,000 5 years from today, you've lost, even if the buying power of the $20,000 is the exact same.... of course the buying power will not be, products improve, and most of all, your own opportunity costs of using the money yourself. Interest is a good thing, a capitalist thing, a rational thing. If you want my money, I experience opportunity cost, I will expect inflation cost or at least the uncertainty of its value when returned to me, and of course default risk (not getting my money back). Finally, I need the promise of gain, hence charging interest is quite natural thing to do. Even if you "borrow" for 5 years my barbecue, I want the promise of my barbecue returned PLUS...

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there IS everything wrong

there IS everything wrong with charging interest on fiat money that is loaned out with artificially low interest rates.

The first statement is not

The first statement is not true. Some is given back, but,not all. After all, the Fed has shareholders who earn income from some of the interest.

According to the original Act of Congress in 1913.

Federal Reserve members were guaranteed by Congress, 6% profit after expenses on their paid in gold reserves. Everything over 6% is paid to the US Treasury as a franchise tax.

Federal Reserve member spare no expenses. They have the biggest buildings and the best paid employees.

Some of the bailouts of 2004 were likely Congress paying on its promise of 6% profits. But on what paid in gold reserves?

Free includes debt-free!

but keynesians tell us war is

but keynesians tell us war is good for the economy!

barf

Does anyone know how to save this video in a format which...

...can be preserved after they take it off YouTube?

I don't think this is going to be allowed to last for any length of time.

So just copying the URL won't do me any good if they take it down.

So how (if it's possible at all) can you preserve this video? Does anyone know?

I know how to preserve just the audio (with recording software) but not the video.

Thanks in advance for any help.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Don't worry they won't take

Don't worry they won't take this vid down. It's government propaganda. The last thing they will do is take it down.

Try this

You can do both on keepvid dot com, download the video in your chosen format or convert to mp3:

http://keepvid.com

Just copy the URL and paste it into the download bar.

Hmmm!

"...they decided that a fascist dictatorship in the United States based on the one on Italy would be far better for their business interests than Roosevelt's "New Deal" which threatened massive wealth re-distribution to recapitalize the working and middle class of America.

So the Wall Street tycoons recruited General Butler to lead the overthrow of the US Government and install a "Secretary of General Affairs" who would be answerable to Wall Street and not the people, would crush social unrest and shut down all labor unions. General Butler pretended to go along with the scheme but then exposed the plot to Congress.

Congress, then as now in the pocket of the Wall Street bankers, refused to act. When Roosevelt learned of the planned coup he demanded the arrest of the plotters, but the plotters simply reminded Roosevelt that if any one of them were sent to prison, their friends on Wall Street would deliberately collapse the still-fragile economy and blame Roosevelt for it. Roosevelt was thus unable to act until the start of WW2,"

http://youtu.be/5hfEBupAeo4?t=16m33s

Darn it!

If it wasn't for those pesky bankers, our glorious saviour FDR would have used the New Deal to end the assault on the proletariat by redistributing wealth to the workers!

They shut down shut down all labor unions, thus preventing the workers of the US from uniting!

Hmmm!

The path to true peace on Earth lies in the abolishment of all private central banking everywhere, and a return to the state-issued value-based currencies that allow nations and people to become prosperous.

5th Plank of the Communist Manifesto:

"Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly."

But the Attempted Coup 'd Etat of Roosevelt IS THE PROOF


It is clear who and what really threatened the powers of the Banksters (Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, Garfield, Roosevelt, Kennedy) by the Banksters very own counter actions.

The Video is not advocating a "National Bank". It is however correctly advocating for the creation of money to be a Debt-free public service (to allow the public to freely exchange their goods and services) ... which the private Banksters and the Wall Street vultures cannot get their dirty hands on and enslave us with again.


You are right about the video..

But...

Take a look at the link offered in the "About" section provided by the up-loader of the video.

My second quote was taken from the last paragraph of the - so called - written version.

The "written version" is here: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/allwarsarebankerwa...

yes, noticed that too

There does seem to be a pro-communist bias in the presentation.

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My problem here is that...

what we currently have DOES NOT WORK!

Go BACK to the constitution, for a start, and begin to hammer out a better system that doesn't employ usury to ENSLAVE us ALL (and our great grand children).

Too bad our great grand fathers didn't think of this! Oh, that's right...they were too busy saving us from the banker's WW2!!!

That was a very nice distraction.

Speaking of distractions, you idiots that seek to disregard this video as a non-issue, what the hell are your solutions?

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Only half the picture!

Please keep in mind - I admit I only listened to about 10 minutes worth however and correct me if I am wrong.
The presenter never condemns fiat currency and only condemns who is in charge of the creation of fiat currency.
Do we honestly believe our trust worthy politicians would be more responsible with the creation of paper money then the banking scroundels. Yes one advantage is not having to pay interest on the said debt however the real issue is not who should be in charge of creating fiat (worthless paper) but rather that it is created in the first place - that is why we used commodity based currency so that NO ONE could expand / contact the money supply at will.
I feel the presentor has missed this most important point and again correct me if I missed that.

Gotta watch the whole thing. Why watch only 10 minutes?

He addresses at the end that the United States must return to the issuance of its currency as an independent state - like the founders intended.

He doesn't go into absolute detail of how best to proceed with that.

But this video is more about making people aware first of all, of how the central bankers operate.

You can't begin to fix a problem until you realize that there IS a problem in th first place.

This video excels in that aim.

He also points out several times that our public education system makes sure NOT to teach the young sheeples this stuff.

So off they go in ignorance to be wage-slaves for life - without complaint or resistance.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Fiat money issued by any entitiy is the issue

Pointing out a problem is good but not providing a real solution to the problem mis-educates the masses. The last thing I would want to see is have the masses replace one evil with another - We already have that with the false left/right paridigm.
That's what Glen Back does - defines a real problem but leads his followers down a false solution otherwise known as controlled opposition.
I am not saying that the presenter in this case is doing that. The reason why I stopped watching the film was because he made it appear as though lincholn the (Tyrant) was just because he created his own fiat currency rather then using bank created fiat currency - Both were bad and disasterous.
In short pointing out the problem of Fascism but indirectly promoting Communism in that effort does not give a solution to the problem.