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Welcome to all neocons, elitists, liberals, anarchists, and even progressives

I welcome everyone to the liberty movement and to read this awesome website. I am encouraged to see people of all different schools of thought and walks or life to come together for a common purpose. Our purpose is to advance the cause of liberty throughout the land. This means we must spread the message into every group/situation that presents us the opportunity. Our job is to educate the liberals, neocons, progressives...everyone.

We all want freedom, but we disagree about how to bring freedom. The answer in my opinion lies in all of us. That's right, even the progressives want freedom they just believe that only the Government can give/protect freedom. It's up to us to change that and show everyone that freedom is inherent in a sovereign individual. Groups of sovereign individuals making choices based on free association can spontaneously organize into a massive movement. I ask each and every one of you here to please stop cutting others out of the movement. This movement is for everyone.

This thread is a call to everyone to come together. United we stand, divided we fall.

Have a great Saturday friends. God Bless you all



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The negativity stops here

To the troublemakers, I welcome you to the liberty movement. I wish you would include me in what you call the movement but you refuse for various reasons.

I'm not arguing with you any more, you refuse to listen. I'm not replying to anything else you two post on this thread.

Thanks for the bumps PAF and RP4pres...

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

OldNo.7J.D....

wrote "We all want freedom, but we disagree about how to bring freedom. The answer in my opinion lies in all of us".

If you believe neocons and liberals believe in freedom, than I have a diamond the size of a golf cart I like to sell you.

It's one thing to try to convert them to believe in freedom; it's another thing to think they believe in freedom.

Personally I rather have them believe in liberty rather than freedom, which, clearly is two different things.

The Libertarian Party, irrelevant since 1971.

Yep.

But when I speak and type, I try to sneak 'Liberty, Freedom' together in there hoping that if one fails, the other might have a decent chance, hoping that they will take the opportunity to take it from there. In and for 'Liberty' :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Bravo

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I guess only you know what freedom is huh?

It's okay, elitists are welcome to the rEVOLution too! Just quit cutting the rest of us out!

Seriously, just because someone doesn't meet your perfect definition of what a pure Libertarian should be doesn't mean that they can't play an important role in the Liberty movement.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

It appears...

you misunderstood my post and then begin to label me as an "elitist". And I haven't had a chance to know what your name is.

But since I'm an elitist, I'll share something that no other elitist will tell you and I wont charge you a thing, I call this the Carnegie charity.

From a political stance, freedom is what government can or cannot give you and liberty is what you are born with and in its purest form it's choice. For example (loosely), I'm at liberty to commit fraud but I do not have the freedom to commit fraud; hence why till this day we have fraud. To be clear, I'm not advocating fraud since the Constitution was clearly written to prevent fraud, but you get the idea. Come to think of it, the Constitution gave the government enough "freedom" to protect our "liberties".

For you to believe that neocons and liberals believe in "freedom", considering that our freedoms have been reduced under such awful philosophies in the last 4 decades, is just naive.

While I'm the first to jump in to welcome new converts, its always important to remember and teach them that the use of the word freedom technically is referred to what government should or should not allow you to do.

Which ultimately is the difference between hack GOP who want to control my freedom and those who are more liberty minded and want to preserve choice.

And now you know. And knowing is half the battle.

The Libertarian Party, irrelevant since 1971.

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I believe all people hunger for freedom

but we disagree on how to bring freedom and what exactly freedom is.

I shouldn't have jumped on you like that. I thought you were with the other two troublemakers.

Thank you for the positive comment explaining your position with thought and without placing a label on me as I unfairly placed a label on you.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

You never responded. Cat got your tongue?

http://www.dailypaul.com/273977/rand-paul-the-next-gop-nomin...

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

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I don't want to go 15 rounds

I moved on to something positive instead. You know what I think about your positions. I know what you think about mine.

We're still in this thing together

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

"We're still in this thing together"

And here, we depart, as I will never get on board with compromising extremists. If you can't abide by the Constitution of the United States and vote accordingly.. see you on the other side.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

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Ya'll are going to be awfully lonely

United We Stand, Divided We Fall.

I wish you would work to unite instead of divide.

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal"

This means you are not elite, you're definition of Liberty isn't the only definition. You do not decide who is or isn't a part of this movement. We can only decide for ourselves. I am welcoming other's here, you discouraging others to come here.

I want to grow the movement, you want to keep the movement to yourself.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Yes, you're the great bringer of togetherness lol

When's the last time you've read the Constitution? Declaration of Independence?

It's so easy to grab a line to use from those documents.. Liberals and Neocons do it all the time to back up their views too..

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This morning when I was doing the #2 if you must know

I read through the Declaration this morning. I carry a CATO Institute Constitution/Declaration and a New Testament Bible in my back pocket at all times.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

"I carry a CATO Institute Constitution/Declaration "

That's part of your problem right there..

CATO is full of big government "Libertarians" these days and I suspect that is why Judge Nap left. It's also why there was tension between CATO and Dr.Paul..

They're having a cleaning of the house over there right now and big gov is winning.. Many leaders that are hard core libertarians have been ousted.

I would NEVER trust a document written or produced by CATO nor The Heritage Foundation as a reference to anything..

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Ok lol

My Constitution from CATO is evil but your Constitution is okay because it has the secret liberty symbol or whatever it is you believe which you still won't say out loud....

Gonna answer the questions or just keep calling everything an anything a neocon sellout??

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

I can see how you really like to be educated.

I told you I had answered your question..and per your veracious hunger to learn you went right to it of course. :)

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2951690

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Your not teaching anything, your just whining

and telling others they don't understand. You can call me names all day but that isn't bringing me any closer to understanding your beliefs or ideas.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

What's wrong with that simple explanation I gave?

Lay it out for me.

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Ron Paul is a part of an entangling alliance

So is anyone who associates with others and has friends.

What is wrong is that you believe that only you know what liberty is. You refuse to listen to the beliefs and ideas of others and discart what they say by calling it whatever label you choose and proclaiming your own superiority.

You say you want laws that represent everyone being equal, but you put yourself on a pedestal above Rand Paul and the rest of your friends fighting the same fight you are.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Well there you have it.. lol

Attack the guy you think represents me. Funny thing though.. I didn't mention Ron Paul in that reply. :)

I see you neocon.

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I'm using your words to prove your elitism to you

Ron Paul is apart of the entangling alliance you claim is evil called the GOP. That makes Ron Paul a neocon sellout and less than yourself based on every other comment you've made.

It's okay, I still welcome you to the rEVOLution and am glad to help you to advance the cause of liberty as soon as you have something productive for me to do than dance with you on a forum and evade my questions.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

"I'm using your words to prove your elitism to you"

You're doing a piss poor job of it and failing miserably as you will always. You can't prove what isn't true.

"Ron Paul is apart of the entangling alliance you claim is evil called the GOP."

Not that what you've said is true but wouldn't that make you a hypocrite since you promote Rand?

By the way.. it's not about the man at the core, it's about the message and I think you realize that because you've went on the attack of someone that doesn't matter in the discussion to deflect the attention from the real issue.

So Rand is not only in the GOP but is also for entangling allegiances which is in direct opposition to the Founding Fathers intent.

Just curious though.. Because one cop is bad or multiple cops are bad does that make the whole Police force bad?

I say no, there are good cops just as someone like Dr.Paul could be the lone voice of good amidst a sea of nastiness.

See, you know Rand is wrong and you're in hurry to get those thoughts out of your noggin. :)

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There was a R beside Ron Paul's name

I'm not the GOP's biggest fan but I'm trying to work within it to promote Libertarian principles. People like Rand Paul and Jack Hunter are doing a good job setting an example as to how we can fit in with the Republican Party and politely influence the GOP in the direction of liberty. We got Audit the Fed in the platform and Republicans talking about the gold standard

You claimed Rand Paul was bad because of entangling alliances. I was pointing out that Ron Paul engages in his own entangling alliance between the GOP and his supporters. Rand Paul isn't perfect but he's by far the best chance yet to put a Libertarian in the White House. Even if the Libertarian in question is a little more conservative than you would like.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

No he's not entangled in anything

Working inside the GOP doesn't effect policy.. Policy is the REAL issue.

"Rand Paul isn't perfect but he's by far the best chance yet to put a Libertarian in the White House. Even if the Libertarian in question is a little more conservative than you would like."

Sounds a lot like a compromise to me buddy.. See he's not for people like you because he represents what you want..

He DOES NOT for me and I will NOT be compromising by taking less.. I won't have to. I am not Big L Libertarian but I won't have a problem voting for someone that's in the LP as long as I can trust his message and that he or she will see it through.

Justin Amash, Judge Nap, Tom Woods and a whole host of others are available to run.. I don;t need Rand nor want him as my president. He does NOT carry the message of Liberty near close enough for me to vote for him.

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The message is important

diluting it, is treason. Promoting people who go against the ideas of Liberty is poisonous.

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Dividing the movement is "poisonous"

What is your goal on this website?

All I ever read from are paranoid ramblings that everyone else is a neoconservative sellout and that only you know what freedom/liberty is and only you are standing up for it.

Your time could be much better spent using your slandering abilities to show others the truth about people like Hillary Clinton, John Boehner...etc.

What is your goal here?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

"All I ever read from are paranoid ramblings that everyone else

is a neoconservative sellout and that only you know what freedom/liberty is and only you are standing up for it."

Oh no.. I've got more than a few people here that carry the same torch buddy. I am not alone, I'm just one of the more vocal. For the record.. promoting weaker candidates who refuse to go after the FED which is the cause of this country's major woes at this time and refuse to go after senseless killings by this country's war machine and various other MAJOR problems is a red flag.

People that listen to one video of Dr.Ben Carson then get on to promote him for president.. very troubling.

Many many more troubling things I see here as of late...People like YOU are dividing the message..

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Because this thread is so divisive and everyone else is an idiot

Wtf is wrong with you? All hail this guys genuis brain. We all fall short of your logic, please show us thy way....

Quit trolling good websites and go troll over at redstate.com Those people are neocons worthy of your slander.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

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